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Only when talking to dickheads.
Who should I as at Nats. I would be furious if they gave out my earnings.No, you can't google me for obvious reasons, but here you go, this is 2016 so far. Would you like NATS guys to verify it for you?
Do you get all that traffic from Google, is that bought traffic or SEO?Comment
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Agree. We doubled then tripled our income by just putting content, we had already shot, online and reselling it.
That was back in 2000. Today the market is changing for most. For most Tubes sucked the life out of porn. Cams don't make the money they used to before and Dating is going to the big boys. Even Apps like Tinder are killing sales for sites like Match.com
With 159,000 raw uniques a day, you're either the God of SEO or buying traffic.
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The trick is most people suck at that. And your making it up with the only $5k starting capital only proves you're rather exception not a rule. The scaling, rinse and repeat, automation things are hard to maintain
Be my mentor, show me how to grow my $5k up to 100k in a year. Please.Русня, идите нахуй!Comment
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Classic GFY. Someone shares numbers, are accused of lying. They share a screenshot, and now everyone wants to pick apart the business model as to discredit them.
Stop trying to find reasons why other people "got lucky" and get to work for fucks sake.Comment
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Yes a lot of his traffic come from affiliates. I'm not disputing that.
How does the rest come, SEO or Bought?
What are the costs of his site, what is he selling?
My point is a site has to make traffic stay and buy and on 1-1,000 his ratios are good. Maybe he has a site that makes surfers stay and buy.
He's disputing what I say and in fact, maybe he should be backing me up as he has a good site.
The traffic numbers are too high to come exclusively from his SEO work. Unless he runs a brand name site. Think about what you see.Comment
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Not true. No one has said he's lying. In fact, a lot just believe anything they see, at face value.
GE started by saying concentrating on getting traffic to the site is more important than the site. 1-1,000 stats $383,000 to affiliates shows to me he's got a site that's pretty good. Would he get, convert that traffic and keep affiliates with a crappy site? In 2016!!!!!!!
The days of selling average porn at 1-1,000 are long gone. There's no "got lucky" in that. I suspect he's really a supporter of what I said and already has a good site.Comment
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Well, without knowing what sort of site it is, let's assume he's doing 50% revshare, and that in common with a lot of NATS based sponsors he splits processing fees with affiliates. If you work the numbers out it means his affiliates brought in somewhere around $890,000 out of the $1,125,000 total, that's 79%. Assuming all his traffic converts uniformly, then 79% of his traffic comes from affiliates. It's quite possibly higher than that but these are a lot of assumptions.
Oh and 1:1000 is good but not exceptional. I'm doing 1:600 so far this year.Comment
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we are registered in our own system as affiliate as well and we are our biggest affiliate. food for thought!!!
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Actually, we don't have affiliates. This is an in-house account used to track different traffic sources. I do have a partner though, who i split profit with.
Affiliates used to be a good thing in the past, when they actually had traffic, but nowadays affiliates don't matter much since very few have their own traffic sources.
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My initial argument to Paul Markham stands: it doesn't matter that you sell what is already available on 100 other sites. What matters is that your site gets shown to surfers first, so out of 100 similar sites they buy yours because they see it first. Traffic is king, always has been.Comment
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Exactly. Without more info we can only assume. Then it comes down to personal levels of acceptance. I*n business I've been taught the hard way to not accept anything at face value.
1-1,000 is good on that traffic volume. If he's doing it all himself he's a genius, if he's buying traffic which would explain the volume, it's good.
Still maintain that the site has to be good.Comment
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Of course showing it matters. showing surfers something they want to buy is more important. Your stats prove that.
Traffic has to be second to Content these days. Because sending 58 million (158,000 a day) people to a site that offers nothing 100s of others offer. Doesn't convert at 1-1,000.
Getting that much traffic in a year is also an indication you buy traffic. Which makes it even better stats.
Of course simple to just show the site. I'm sure many here know it if it's so great.
Of course, if I'm wrong and you get that traffic any other way. You are indeed a god among men. Not sure everyone here will agree that affiliates don't have traffic. I tend to agree with you that most are a waste of space.Comment
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No matter how much traffic a site can get. People are no longer buying mediocre because they landed on your site.
If they were, we would all be a lot richer.
Experienced people know that while getting traffic is important the difference in ratios between what can be achieved with Content like my crap and Met-Art level are poles apart. The hard part is affording to buy or being able to create what the top tier of professional producers ask for.
This is the same in all fields and not exclusive to porn. Prime Aberdeen Angus Burgers vs Macdonalds, Rolls Royce vs Ford, etc.
No one sends traffic to a site that doesn't convert. Redwhiteandblue gets 1-600, that's good. Never assume everyone can get 1-600 on any old site with any old site. Affiliates need to feed in more than 600 to their sites or promo content to send 600 people. And there's the clue Content is King.
How does an affiliate attract a surfer to click on a link? With average promo or the best, he can manage?
How does he keep surfers attention? With average promo or the best, he can manage?
How does he convert surfers? With average or the best, he can manage?
All through the process surfers are free to leave, you're not herding sheep, you're herding cats and the best way to herd cats, is offer them a juicy fish they want. Then they will go where you want them to go.
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Then you are a god amongst men and no one should try to copy you. My comments are for us mere mortals.
Oh holy one, please show us your below average content ads, landing pages and sites so we can come and worship at your feet. You have no fear of us mere mortals competing with such a god.Comment
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We're an old company with many affiliates, much less active than in the old days but still substantial.
I have not much doubt about GE generating this with just his partner since he is not the only one doing it. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they are not out there. Making money flying under the radar selling a mediocre product that's just really well packaged and presented.
carry on
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Paul, you know I really do like you, and I am still pulling for your GFY HOF induction (see sig) but really:
You have never had success selling memberships, you had reasonable success selling content.
Allow me to answer all of your questions to GE
What are your sites?
None of your business.
Where do you get your traffic?
None of your business.
Why do you have a partner?
None of your business.
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If he was normal for people driving traffic. The business wouldn't be running down. You certainly can't do it as you're an employee.We're an old company with many affiliates, much less active than in the old days but still substantial.
I have not much doubt about GE generating this with just his partner since he is not the only one doing it. Just because you don't know about them doesn't mean they are not out there. Making money flying under the radar selling a mediocre product that's just really well packaged and presented.
carry on
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Interesting how some people define *successful*
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It started to be my business when he posted in a thread I started about Starting a new business successfully.
If he was the norm, or even amongst top 10% of people. He wouldn't be showing those numbers. If he's extra exceptional then he can do those figures with an average site, content, product. What the rest of us can't do is try to match him.
You've been at it a long time, can you do those figures or even have a clue how he does selling memberships with nothing great?
I'm saying GE is the exception of the best. Because if these were achievable by mere mortals. Porn would be flourishing.
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Who says he's normal? Just saying I don't doubt numbers liken this perse since there are more like him.
And lol at the employee card ;)
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I'm not exceptional. I'm not even out of the ordinary. What i'm kind of decent at is generating traffic - and this is what always brought me money.
I used to be a regular affiliate for years, but then I got tired of getting fucked over by programs and by companies going out of business and not paying, so i decided to create my own paysites.
I didn't know anything about starting or running paysites. I had zero experience in billing, i still don't know any programming or design. I hire people to do all the work for me.
I basically copy what other people do in this business. That's what always worked for me - you find a successful business model and copy it, making improvements along the way.
Reading all your threads - you're always fixated on negativity, with your way of thinking you are set out for a failure from the start. You are sure that everyone around you are either exceptional and out of the norm or that something is over-complicated and impossible to achieve.
I don't know why you constantly create your preaching threads without having anything to show for yourself. You constantly make points that you can't back up, people tell you that you are wrong, but you don't listen and continue to post/recycle your drivel.Comment
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If you were normal at driving traffic. It wouldn't be converting so well on a site you creates as a normal person. Yes, you get a lot of traffic, SEO, bought or advertising? What do you mean as marketing?
As for points I can't back up. What about you backing up your points with more than a screengrab that shows you now converts at under $5 and rebill at over $35.
Just back up what you claim so other average people can get inspired by what average people can do.
As for negativity, I'm the opposite, I'm positive you're exceptional or bullshitting us. Or maybe buying traffic and the costs for that are very high. The problem is you have nothing to back up your points.
Roald, he says he's normal. Except at driving traffic to a site that converts average content at 1-1,000. You and I know that's not normal with average content copying what everyone else has done before himComment
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Spot the fake nick.
Of course, I have a State pension, two actually. Just as well I don't rely on them, got the huge income from sigwhoring and AC sales.
You forgot my wife going to work in the mines.
It's a pity other people don't put as much effort into asking questions of people they're clueless about making wild claims.Comment
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You're exactly the same. You mostly post put downs and pointing finger posts. I was shocked to see this post of yours with thought and introspection, but then, of course, it turns into you insulting & degrading Paul, sentence after sentence, as if you yourself weren't a shitstain of negativity yourself 
The irony that you use the word expert in your name yet blatantly say all you do is copy other people smh
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markham has already schooled Barry on how to actually be successful with cams - I for one cannot wait to see paul share with you what you are doing wrong, and how you could make some real money in your particular field, of which paul also has zero experience. Get Nick in here too, so paul can explain to him how to get his traffic numbers up
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To remind people what my thread is about.You're exactly the same. You mostly post put downs and pointing finger posts. I was shocked to see this post of yours with thought and introspection, but then, of course, it turns into you insulting & degrading Paul, sentence after sentence, as if you yourself weren't a shitstain of negativity yourself
The irony that you use the word expert in your name yet blatantly say all you do is copy other people smh
So far the snipers have had nothing to say except "I do it different" then post images that if I posted would be called fake. Has anyone met any of the detractors, know who they are in real life, done business with them?I'm prompted to write this because of all the threads I see from people who think starting an online porn business/site is easy.
It's the opposite and people should think long and hard about it. This is 2016 and we've had 20+ plus years of online porn.
For a business/site to succeed it has to bring something new and better to the table. Or just shave off a micro-layer from all the others doing the same. Because there are others who have been around for years, successful and have all the elements needed to keep going. Imagine opening a grocery store opposite a Tescos or Ralphs. With products they sell, but far fewer, same price and the same level of service. Will it succeed?
That's the situation every startup porn site faces. Your product has to be different and better than the competitions. How you do that is hard to answer with one rule for all. Because for most people, the solution is beyond their grasp. If it were achievable for all, everyone would do it and we would all be back at square one.
Myfreecam did come up with a new model of camming and made a killing. Then Chaturbate popped up, now there are more and the old model cam sites are dying.
Don't know the first porn Tube, but the same happened. One popped up, then a few more. now there are so many only the top tier make real money.
Same with Teen porn. Barely Legal magazine, then there were 20 in the US.
Girls getting fucked in cars, leg sex, big tits, gonzo, reality, POV, and so on.
The last thing the consumer needs is another site doing what 100s of other sites do.
Have we seen one thing to prove they do it the old way and make big bucks?
If the porn paysite business was making the kind of figures some claim. We would be going like it was 2006. Or these guys are bullshitting us.
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No one does it "the old way" that is the equivalent of opening a VHS rental store. You evolve or you die. Has been that way since the Earth was formed.
Selling "content" has gone the way of the dinosaur, selling "perception" now that is alive and well, Ask Microsoft, Apple, etc, etc, etc. Marketing of any kind is all about perception, people have not bought 250 million George Foreman grills because they are the best thing ever, they bought them because they were marketed well.
If sales were based on "The Best" the Mercedes would be the best selling car in America, not the mediocre Toyota Camery"As pornographers we must act responsibly! ;))"- Nickatilynx
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