The problem for many here is they imagine the future will be like the past. For millions of Westerners, it's already changed, for millions more they see more changes coming.

List of US Companies in India

US companies in China

American companies outside the US

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Anyone who believes this will turn around or there will be opportunities for the masses. Is so delusional it's a wonder they have a job now.

Our market is the bottom 90%. The top 95%, can hire the real thing. And before you make cases for why they won't. A lot will and as the bottom 90% get poorer, escorts prices will drop. A live women in the same room as the client will beat a Third World Cam girl every time. A visit to a brothel after work is an easy option for the rich.

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EU use planned economy (not full of course) + production quotas etc + big part socialism.

On this board we have some socialists and some free market advocates. None of them live in those societies they advocate. Does anyone stand up now and say, my government is perfect?

To run any government where "enforcement" and taxation is needed invites corruption. Since slavery was invented, during the advent of agriculture, there has been cruelty, torture, and exploitation, all in the service of government.

True free market cannot be free, because it will immediately turn into feudalism. Freeness must be "enforced" :1orglaugh as well as communism, theocracy, monarchy, oligarchy, timarchy, or republic.

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The will still be jobs but no one needs to see an old man sticking his finger in a robot's fun hole so I guess Paul and his kind are shit out of luck.

Fuck your 'cry me a river' charts. There is going to be less and less work for the unskilled -- that has been the trend for 30 years. WTF? You just get a clue?

Where does this money come from?
Paul doesn't have a job so he pays minimal taxes. Do you pay taxes on your pension income Paul or is that money tax-exempt (or some of it)?

320,000,000 USA people *$12,000 basic income guarantee
cost = $3,840,000,000,000
That is $3.8 Trillion dollars a year :1orglaugh

The total GNP of the USA is $18 Trillion (2015 * world bank)

BTW Paul all pension money would be taxed too. The federal poverty rate for a household of 3 in the USA is $27,724 -- IDK, maybe you would be exempt? Maybe you think you will get some free money at the expense of the people that do have jobs.

There is your fucking chart ... By the fucking numbers ... They do not ad up in the USA and probably no place else in the known world. Let's see how long the Swiss will do this.

A couple of years ago I few back to the USA and the passenger next to me was a Danish girl moving to the USA to attend Grad School. Lucky me for a change :1orglaugh She told me how expensive everyday life was in Denmark and how bad the tax burden was.

There are some countries with universal family allowance stipends but they are small money.

The USA has GA (welfare) and SSI (public disability) but this is not much money and only a small percentage of the population get these government stipends.

These are the economics of children's minds :2 cents:

^^ your math is a bit off, basic guaranteed income is actually feasible...

per capita GDP in the US is in the $50K/year ballpark... so $10k/year in guaranteed income would be 20% of GDP not 200%...

1st world be like "we gonna kill every human job possible to make more $$$ for our shareholders but it aint gonna shrink or market any, robots and AI will buy our shit" :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

I am not are socialist, only for trolling :1orglaugh
In EU they even haven't democracy. Officials in Brussels are not elected and they control all the countries and economies EU :1orglaugh

this is the true nature of humanity)) self-destruct :1orglaugh

"The total GNP of the USA is $18 Trillion (2015 * world bank)" do you have a reading problem woj?

I changed it ... was off a decimal place ...
Still, I don't need the extra $10K and I don't want to pay for 5 people that want it. Rather simple -- no handouts.

It is feasible? So, prove it :1orglaugh

The whole population gets the fucking basic income from fucking were?
New taxes or you print money and devalue the currency.

Or, we go to war and keep the assets of the countries whose people we liquidate (stupid idea).

there is nothing to prove... "per capita GDP in the US is in the $50K/year ballpark... so $10k/year in guaranteed income would be 20% of GDP"

so taxing 20% of the US output would pay for this guaranteed income... which clearly is at least in theory possible... combine that with the fact that substantial % of our taxes already go to social programs, if we were to get rid of them all and replace them with guaranteed income, only modest increase in taxes would be needed to make it happen...

I agree with you though that guaranteed income is a bad idea for many reasons, but math not adding up is not one of them...

A basic income guarantee would cost $3.8 Trillion
Healthcare cost in the USA is about $3 Trillion
_________
$6.8 Trillion

Say you could save 1/3 (ha ha right) with a single payer universal healthcare. That is still $5.8 Trillion from a $18 Trillion GNI (GROSS NATIONAL INCOME).

I ain't getting paid for this so fuck it.
Point is: where the fuck is the money coming from?

woj can do the division he's so fucking good at math :OP

Ballpark, this looks like if you make over $50K AGI per year your new tax rate is 60%
:321GFY

If you make an AGI of $200K your new rate is 90% ?

Trickle up you lose and trickle down you lose also. Yet some people do well without being trust fund babies? How the fuck can that be :1orglaugh

GDP
GNP
GNI

They are not the same.

Sure a 20% VAT will pay for it.
Who will pay the new tax?

https://s3.postimg.org/3oj4ugjir/world_Growth2.png

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source: GNI (current US$) | Data

Follow the trends and the numbers.

I do and I do OK ...

you are missing one critical detail in all these calculations... that guaranteed income would REPLACE existing social programs... for example, social security which we now pay 12% for, wouldn't be needed anymore... so that 12% right there could be shifted to the new guaranteed income scheme... same for unemployment insurance, food stamps, and dozens of other social programs could all be decommissioned... so the real cost is 3.8T minus whatever obsolete programs we can get rid off...

so like I said before, guaranteed income wouldn't be desirable, not something I would support, but it's actually feasible...

Minimum Social Security and ssi is $733 (ssi) + ?
Average Social Security is $1,180
Maximum Social Security is $2,366

Median Social Security payment is a bit higher
$14,535/annually (close to the federal poverty rate).

Income from Social Security | Pension Rights Center

So, there is a large net deficit.

1. Either you increase the basic minimum payment to the retired, or you;
2. chump the pensioners out of their payroll tax for Social Security of over 40years and reduce Social Security benefits;
3. or income qualify the recipients.

Maybe, only 5% of retirees would have their benefits reduced but they paid the most in usually.

Is that a fair deal? Not going to happen. Anyone receiving over the basic minimum wage will be exempted from the scheme. So ...

In 2015, over 59 million Americans will receive almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits. Count them out -- they get SSA SSI and no basic income.

less
59*12000
708 000 000 000 Untouched

GA Welfare is another 480 000 000 replaced by replaced by basic income. That is a large increase in payments.
Welfare Statistics and Demographics – Statistic Brain

Take a hypothetical family of four -- they get

4*$1,000 a month.( $12K/yr) =$4,000 /mo compared to $900 /mo WTF?

These numbers are without Medicare or Medicaid.

The savings you suggest (woj) are minimal.

Those charts I made above ^ of GNI Growth clearly show that countries with high taxation and social benefits are stagnant or below average GNI Growth countries. Hey, Paul where is CZ -- they are not listed by the World Bank -- maybe the numbers are too embarrassing to show IDK.

This is a breed new recipients scheme -- every new baby is worth $12K per year -- to who? The whole idea is ludicrous.

It's been happening for almost a century and it will continue whether you like it or not. The sick, disabled, and yes some just lazy, already are getting $1500 a month - the guaranteed basic income should cut the expenses of running the welfare system.

That is great news! LMAO: save $20 Billion and have $3 Trillion in the new tax expense of a guaranteed basic income.
Make up the losses on the volume?

$1000 per MONTH per Person

https://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty-guidelines
2016 POVERTY GUIDELINES FOR THE 48 CONTIGUOUS STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA
Persons in family/household Poverty guideline annual
For families/households with more than 8 persons, add $4,160 for each additional person.
1 $11,880
2 16,020
3 20,160
4 24,300
5 28,440
6 32,580
7 36,730
8 40,890