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Old 03-30-2003, 09:50 PM   #1
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Mystery Illness Continues to Spread. It could start a chain reaction.

Allright, I know we have been talking about it recently. I was kidding about it, but now I think this shit is getting out of control.

Some people argued that common flu kill thousands every year. You are right. But this virus does not respond to ANY drugs. And it can kill healthy people (common flu mostly kill only the ones that are already sick or the ederly).

This means people in the 20's, 30's and more can die. Allright, it has only a 5% death rate. It's not too bad. But that does not mean I'd sleep well if I get infected. But WHO officials point out that the true mortality rate may be higher.

Also, they think it might be airborne and it can survive outside the body for 2-3 hours, so if someone touches a table for example, and you touch it, you are kinda fucked (well, unless you wash your hands every 30 mins).

Here in Quebec, we don't have any cases reported yet. But in the province next to us. (Toronto, Ontario) They have put 100's of people under quarantine, closed 2 hospitals and cases are rising.

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"Singapore's health minister, Lim Hng Kiang, said the disease may spread more easily than first believed, with some people found to be more infectious than others. Labeled as "super infectors," they can infect as many as 40 others, he said.

"We run the risk of a huge new cluster of infected people, which could start a chain reaction," Lim told a news conference"


HONG KONG - Dozens more people at a Hong Kong apartment complex contracted a flu-like disease to bring the number there to 213, health officials said Monday, as the mystery illness with no known treatment continued its spread.


Hong Kong's health secretary, Dr. Yeoh Eng-kiong, announced the big rise in severe acute respiratory syndrome, or SARS, cases just hours after authorities imposed a tight quarantine on one bloc of apartments at the Amoy Gardens complex.


He said 88 new cases were diagnosed at the building complex to add to 125 other cases, bringing the total to 213.


The report came as the World Health Organization (news - web sites) said that SARS has killed at least 54 people worldwide, with the majority of cases in Hong Kong and China. That figure does not include three more deaths reported Sunday, one each in Hong Kong, Toronto and Singapore. More than 1,600 have been infected worldwide.


Singapore's health minister, Lim Hng Kiang, said the disease may spread more easily than first believed, with some people found to be more infectious than others. Labeled as "super infectors," they can infect as many as 40 others, he said.


"We run the risk of a huge new cluster of infected people, which could start a chain reaction," Lim told a news conference.


Singapore said it would station nurses at its airport to examine all travelers arriving from infected areas, while Canada planned to screen those traveling abroad from Toronto, although no system was in place Sunday.


Yeoh said 107 of the sick people were from one section, Block E. He said officials believe the virus was brought to Amoy Gardens by a man infected at the Prince of Wales Hospital, where many of Hong Kong's victims have fallen ill.


Yeoh appeared emotional and initially had trouble speaking as he made a statement on the isolation of Block E.


"It's a very exceptional circumstance," Yeoh said. "We haven't done it before and we hope we won't do it again."


In Canada, meanwhile, another death was reported Sunday to bring the toll there to four. Officials earlier declared a health emergency in Toronto, located 50 miles from the U.S. border. U.S. health officials have reported 62 cases in the United States but no deaths.


About 100 probable or suspect cases have been reported in Canada. Officials have closed two hospitals to new patients, and hundreds of people have been quarantined in their homes.


Another possible case turned up in New Brunswick on Canada's east coast, officials said Sunday, meaning the illness that originated in Asia may now reach across Canada. The New Brunswick case involves a school principal who recently traveled to China.


Other suspected cases are in Ottawa; Winnipeg, Manitoba; and on the west coast in Vancouver, British Columbia.


The United States and Canada have advised people to avoid travel to afflicted areas in Asia, and the World Health Organization recommended that international travelers from Toronto and several Asian cities get screened for symptoms.


Most of the Toronto-area cases are health care workers at Scarborough Grace Hospital and York Central Hospital who became infected while treating initial victims, all of whom had traveled in Asia or had close contact with other victims.


The disease has caused a run on surgical masks in the city and slowed business by as much as 70 percent at Pacific Mall, a Chinese shopping mall in Toronto's northern suburbs.





Kevin Wong, a worker at a video store in the mall, said the public reaction seemed excessive, but was understandable. Some merchants also were taking precautions, wearing protective masks even though no cases have been linked to the mall.

"People are still coming to work but they're coming in later and leaving early," he said. "They don't want to waste their time when there's no one here."

The International Ice Hockey Federation canceled the women's world championships scheduled to begin Thursday in Beijing.

The federation said the spread of the illness to Beijing from southern China put the players at risk.

Players for Canada, the defending champion, were disappointed but understood.

"You could lose your life going there and just being in contact with somebody," forward Danielle Goyette said. "Life is more important than hockey right now."

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some scary shit

hopefully they can get it under control. a week ago there was what 200 cases?
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My daughter had it, my son got a mild case of it.. trust me, it's fucking nasty.
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My daughter had it, my son got a mild case of it.. trust me, it's fucking nasty.
WHAT?!??!

And you are not under quarantine?!?!

You are kidding right? They were diagnosed with the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome that is spreading right now??
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Is it just me or does the world right now kinda reminds you of a cross between Steven Kings The Stand and Tom Clancey Novel?
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I'm in favor of this disease. It is time to thin the herd.
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And in other news, world death rate holding steady at 100%
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WHAT?!??!

And you are not under quarantine?!?!

You are kidding right? They were diagnosed with the Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome that is spreading right now??
Yep... but we are at home.. We live in the woods.. we were exposed while on a plane from Calgary to Toronto. Out here though we don't leave home much anyways, so a quarantine isn't a big deal.
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I think the virus has been around a few months..It sounds like the bad one my daughters' school had in January. More than half of the school was out and anyone that went to the doctor was immediately put on a new inhaler type medicine .
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I think the virus has been around a few months..It sounds like the bad one my daughters' school had in January. More than half of the school was out and anyone that went to the doctor was immediately put on a new inhaler type medicine .
The worst part about this is the fever.. I had chas on advil AND tylenol just to keep the fever contained.. Several times it spiked to 41 degrees (42 is nervous system shutdown, 44 is death) and hovered there dispite my best efforts.. It's a damn good thing she's a healthy little girl..man it was awful.
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Yep... but we are at home.. We live in the woods.. we were exposed while on a plane from Calgary to Toronto. Out here though we don't leave home much anyways, so a quarantine isn't a big deal.
Wow

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The worst part about this is the fever.. I had chas on advil AND tylenol just to keep the fever contained.. Several times it spiked to 41 degrees (42 is nervous system shutdown, 44 is death) and hovered there dispite my best efforts.. It's a damn good thing she's a healthy little girl..man it was awful.
Sounds like the same one. IT was the highest fever that my daughter ever had.
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You know, I am not one to get really sick, back in December, I had a case of the flu that had me bedridden. Hacking a lung up so bad, I hurt my ribs. The bed was soaked with the sweat.

My ribs still haven't fully healed, if I sneeze to hard and don't push my ribcage in, it hurts to Hell.

Doctor could never really understand what it was as well.

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Wow

Hope your kids have a quick recovery.

Let me know if you want me to fed ex some chicken soup.
thank you.. my daughter was extremely ill for about 5 days.. I was really worried.. my son was lucky and only caught a mild cough and a touch of fever.. daddy is down with something now though and I feel a sicky coming on... but I'm really glad Chas is better.. the hospital trips were bad enough...
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Sounds like the same one. IT was the highest fever that my daughter ever had.
Who knows.. just because this thing didn't have a name and whatnot then doesn't mean it wasn't around.. Or something similar.
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Its in Ottawa too, I give it another week and You will have it in montreal........ And there are a few reported cases in quebec already
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The worst part about this is the fever.. I had chas on advil AND tylenol just to keep the fever contained.. Several times it spiked to 41 degrees (42 is nervous system shutdown, 44 is death) and hovered there dispite my best efforts.. It's a damn good thing she's a healthy little girl..man it was awful.
Huh?!?!! Then the CDC, the WHO and Health Canada never mentionned any cases in Alberta. You are one of a kind. What's important is that your kids are ok.

"SARS fears hit Calgary


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The Calgary Health Region is stepping up its watch for suspected cases of a deadly pneumonia outbreak.

Hospitals, clinics and health care workers were put on heightened alert on Wednesday for anyone showing symptoms of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome, or SARS -- a potentially deadly type of pneumonia

Earlier in the day, health officials were concerned that a patient had the disease, but they've since ruled that out.

The health authority says no cases have turned up in the city yet, and the public is not at risk.

Officials in Ontario have declared a health emergency because of an outbreak of SARS at two Toronto area hospitals.

The Ontario government is now taking extensive measures to contain the disease, closing both hospitals.

Police surrounded the Scarborough hospital to allow an infectious disease expert from Winnipeg access to the hospital by helicopter.

A number of staff and patients have been quarantined because they may have been exposed to the deadly virus."

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You should call the medias, they might be interested to know that there was a SARS case in Alberta and that it is your family
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And there are a few reported cases in quebec already
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Who knows.. just because this thing didn't have a name and whatnot then doesn't mean it wasn't around.. Or something similar.
Well, that does not mean it was SARS. The common "flu" virus has the same symptoms. And the incubation period is around 10 days. So unless your kids got it after march 16th (it might be possible, although I seriously doubt they were exposed to the SARS virus).

If that's true, they might have infected your doctor and the entire medical staff.

With the SARS you can have difficulty breathing and might need a respiratory machine. It's like a very bad Atypical pneumonia
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Huh?!?!! Then the CDC, the WHO and Health Canada never mentionned any cases in Alberta. You are one of a kind. What's important is that your kids are ok.

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I'm in Ontario.. I was coming from Calgary... We went through the Pierson airport in Toronto on Westjet from Calgary to TO.
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Well, that does not mean it was SARS. The common "flu" virus has the same symptoms. And the incubation period is around 10 days. So unless your kids got it after march 16th (it might be possible, although I seriously doubt they were exposed to the SARS virus) Except that you can have extremely difficulties when breathing and might need a respiratory machine. It's like a very bad Atypical pneumonia
My children developed it almost 10 days to the day after we got off the airplane... My daughter had an EXTREMELY high temperature, required an inhaler to breathe.. It was diagnosed at the hospital..there just aren't facilities here to care for it .. (I live quite literally in the woods). And in actuality, SARS is now known to be a strain of a cold virus.
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My children developed it almost 10 days to the day after we got off the airplane... My daughter had an EXTREMELY high temperature, required an inhaler to breathe.. It was diagnosed at the hospital..there just aren't facilities here to care for it .. (I live quite literally in the woods). And in actuality, SARS is now known to be a strain of a cold virus.
Damn.. don't you feel bad that they they might have infected your doctor and the entire medical staff?
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Damn.. don't you feel bad that they they might have infected your doctor and the entire medical staff?
No. I would have felt bad if I'd kept her home out of fear and she died of convulsions as her fever passed critical and her nervous system shut down.
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Naw, these diseases come periodically and kill of the "weakest". Happens in animal species the world over every day. It *SEEMS* so much bigger because we're sentient (or rather, we SHOULD be ideally) beings and recognize it for what it is. Animals just die, end of story.
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No. I would have felt bad if I'd kept her home out of fear and she died of convulsions as her fever passed critical and her nervous system shut down.
They say that the incubation period might be up to 14 days. When did she start showing symptoms? What's the date?
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Naw, these diseases come periodically and kill of the "weakest". Happens in animal species the world over every day. It *SEEMS* so much bigger because we're sentient (or rather, we SHOULD be ideally) beings and recognize it for what it is. Animals just die, end of story.
Wrong. Healthy people can die with this one.
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They say that the incubation period might be up to 14 days. When did she start showing symptoms? What's the date?
We got home the 17th, she got her first high fever and symptoms hit full-blown on the 25th.


They are saying incubation can be anywhere from 7-14 days
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Wrong. Healthy people can die with this one.
Just as they can with any illness.. Secondary infections are generally the cause of this though, not the primary infection.
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We got home the 17th, she got her first high fever and symptoms hit full-blown on the 25th.


They are saying incubation can be anywhere from 7-14 days
Yikes! Aren't you scared you might develop symptoms in the next couple of days?
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Yikes! Aren't you scared you might develop symptoms in the next couple of days?
Yeah I probably will. Won't change much though.. Work still has to be done, I still have to take care of my kids, do the laundry, cook the meals etc. I'll just be very grumpy doing it for a while. Mommys don't get sick days.
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Yeah I probably will. Won't change much though.. Work still has to be done, I still have to take care of my kids, do the laundry, cook the meals etc. I'll just be very grumpy doing it for a while. Mommys don't get sick days.
What if you need hospital care and risk dying in front of your kids? Are you still going to cook for them ?

Well, you are taking this situation quite good! Congrats!

If I knew my little girl might have infected me, I'd be quite frightened that I might die and never see her again.
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What if you need hospital care and risk dying in front of your kids? Are you still going to cook for them ?

Well, you are taking this situation quite good! Congrats!

If I knew my little girl might have infected me, I'd be quite frightened that I might die and never see her again.
I'm from tougher stock than that... I'll be damned if some damn bug is going to kick me off.. I'll go when I'm damn well good and ready and not a second before. Besides, what good am I going to be to my kids paranoid and languishing away from the world (which includes them)? They're 4 1/2 and 2 1/2, too young to do for themselves... so that means I get to do it for them. Not much you can do in a situation like mine. Can't go to the hospital (it's hickville, they don't know wtf to do ), can't do much else other than be comfortable as possible and ride out the storm, correct?

What would they have done 100 years ago before tv and emergency measures.. same damn thing. Some things never change.
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Old 03-30-2003, 11:44 PM   #37
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I'm from tougher stock than that... I'll be damned if some damn bug is going to kick me off.. I'll go when I'm damn well good and ready and not a second before. Besides, what good am I going to be to my kids paranoid and languishing away from the world (which includes them)? They're 4 1/2 and 2 1/2, too young to do for themselves... so that means I get to do it for them. Not much you can do in a situation like mine. Can't go to the hospital (it's hickville, they don't know wtf to do ), can't do much else other than be comfortable as possible and ride out the storm, correct?

What would they have done 100 years ago before tv and emergency measures.. same damn thing. Some things never change.
Well, if in the next couple of days, I do not see any messages from you on this board anymore. At least I'll know you were a very courageous mother. Good luck!

What I do know, is that when cases start spreading in Montreal, I'll do the best I can to protect my 3 year old girl. Don't know how, but I don't want to take any chances
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Well, if in the next couple of days, I do not see any messages from you on this board anymore. At least I'll know you were a very courageous mother. Good luck!
Heh thanks..my hubby posts here, I'm sure if something untoward happens he would say something..but I highly doubt anything serious is going to keep me down.. remember, I was exposed when the kids were.. if I was gonna get this thing full-blown I should have already.
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Heh thanks..my hubby posts here, I'm sure if something untoward happens he would say something..but I highly doubt anything serious is going to keep me down.. remember, I was exposed when the kids were.. if I was gonna get this thing full-blown I should have already.
I hope you are right, but you said she started showing symptoms on the 25th. That's only 6 days. And the incubation period is up to 14 days. Wich is april 8th.

Anyway, this is purely speculation. This could have been only a very bad flu case. It does not mean it was SARS.
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Yep... but we are at home.. We live in the woods.. we were exposed while on a plane from Calgary to Toronto. Out here though we don't leave home much anyways, so a quarantine isn't a big deal.
Your two kids were diagnosed with SARS?
Were you advised by the medical establishment/government to stay in your home and to not leave it under any circumstance, or just suggested that you stay home.

I fear that as this progresses (and unfortunately, all signs show that it will), the reference to Stephen King's book/movie "The Stand" could be closer than thought.

I saw on the news tonite that they think there are two types of carriers. (and they illustrated the two types by where you would sit on an airplane).

The common carrier (majority who are sick), if on a typical major airline could infect those on either side of them in the plane and up to two rows to the front and two rows back.

The "Super Carrier" (minority who are sick) are truly the scary ones. In an airplane, they can infect up to 10 rows front & back. With the government so involved in this war and threats of terrorism right now, I truly feel like this new "super virus" is NOT getting the attention it should from American officials and probably won't until when and if it gets massively out of control. And by then, could be too late for too many people.

On a side note, even the Doctor who gave it it's Nym "SARS" died yesterday from it.

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