PaySites Have To Change Before It's Too Late. Here Are Some Ideas...

It can be worse, in the eighties often the camera panned to the guy's face. Wankers cumming looking at an ugly male face.

You were buying gay films.

Why would you limit the companies to who are not involved in tubes? As an industry matures, the strongest survive and the weak begin to die, obviously. The remaining companies begin to be a little more corporate and have their hands in everything as few companies begin to take over. Almost all big companies have their hands in other brands/including tubes. Half of them, thats the reason theyre still alive to begin with. It bought them the profit/time in order to learn what sells in todays market and continue to be successful. So basically youre saying, what small sites who can't afford or weren't smart enough to get involved in tube sites are still producing content at a high cost? Obviously that number will be limited. It has no reflection on the current state of paysites

Blacked owners are involved in a large tube, however it doesn't mean they could not have reached the success without it, it just helped them reach the level they are at, perhaps at a faster pace. Anybody is free to use tubes to their advantage. It is just more obvious to tube owners what sells and what profit they can make off their sites so theyre more willing to spend, they also have less "risk" because they have the traffic already and aren't as scared to spend the money. They were also the ones smart enough and had the budget in order to get involved with them. The people without the budget weren't typically the smartest, given how lucrative this industry was.

Not being involved in tubes isn't an excuse to be a failure.

Tubes are the highest source of traffic/sales, so why would they not be involved?

Strange question is all

I am right now, producing in 2016 for some of todays top pornstars. I have went from driving traffic to being an owner and worrying about ROI and dealing with producers to producing myself in todays market. So yes im familiar with all sides, which most are not. Its very easy to have an opinion that stems from one area of expertise but until you've really been on all sides, and in todays market as well, you really dont have a full grasp. IMO

Because tubes monetize differently, what it makes sense for a tube to spend on is very different from what it makes sense for a pay site to spend on. Aside from all the factors you mentioned, which I agree with, the most important factor is the business model is different.

The topic is not would it be awesome to decide to fail (only with super excuses), but what should pay sites do. All I'm saying is pay sites should not spend like their business model is different from what it is.

I suspect Tubes pay very little for traffic to their sites, this saves them a huge chunk other paysites have to payout. The Tubes run at a profit anyway.

However, it doesn't take a huge budget to produce kick ass porn. It takes a lot of porn production skill and sites that are willing to pay for that skill are few and far between. Which takes us back to Tube Sites.

I could produce kick ass porn, along with many others, Buttman, Ben Dover, Ed Powers, etc. Will Tubes pay us the money we want or get some lame dick who works cheap to do it on a tight budget?

You talk as if great porn just falls off a shelf. Which made me think you weren't in the sharp end of producing it.

You got it all wrong (as usual).

• Investing in new technologies can yield great returns or tax losses. No balls no glory.
• The second to wost thing that can happen to a business model is commiditization even worse is the zero sum game of free.

So there is;

1. the niche market that will pay for a unique value proposition,
2. the middle market of value buyers (*Netflix or Amazon prime),
3. the low market 100% advertised subsidized.

Whether or not the content is legit or copyright infringing will not make you any money this instant (today). Youtube is proof of this business model. It's not going away.

Trying to convert the low market to a higher market is going to be an uphill struggle with a lousy ROMI (return on marketing investment).

Shap! Look what you started, a monster size thread! I'm just in here for sport, hope you are doing great!

My comments do not apply to you Sir. You are in the top 1% of talented shooters on the planet.

AmeliaG can speak for herself but to expand on what I think she was getting at:

There are tubes and large companies who finance paysite production. They have exclusive agreements with the mega-tubes. Therefore the tubes are spending more than a paysite not financed by a tube would spend. I know what an expensive, professional shoot costs and most small paysites doing 10 joins a day or less cannot compete on that level. So what we are left with is a handful of mega-paysites being financed by mega-tubes to keep the whole daisy chain of porn going. This will continue for years to come, I think, while smaller paysites will have to re-adjust their marketing and expectations because you simply cannot 'compete' with a Blacked or DDF if they are being financed by million dollar tubes.

If people keep bumping this thread it will never die. Wait!

I assumed this was a business thread.

It isn't?

I read this thread to the end of page 5 and I couldn't take it any longer.

There is power in numbers. If we could get a coalition of producers and site owners together, maybe we would be able to come up with enough resources to push the tubes and file lockers out.

I know I can't do it, a lawsuit would chew me up and spit me out. That's probably the same for most of us. We need a "Trump type figure" to lead this and make it happen. Someone who kicks the door in, and goes for the juggler.

There is no magic potion in my opinion. It's been said a million times on this board. If it's free... sales go to shit. Most people would say that compared to the past, that sales are shit.

You cannot walk into wal mart and walk out with a new fishing pole. You have to pay for it. If everything can be locked up in our tours and members areas again... the people will pay for it. They JUST WOULD.

THERE IS NO MAGIC POTION. The free content has to stop.

I believe a focus should be on finding a Trump type figure to lead this cause, gather followers and recourses, and take on the free content sites, tubes, and file lockers.

Maybe even the billing companies could invest in this. They have big money, and I am sure that if the reign of free porn would end... that the billing companies would make larger fortunes than before since there are more "potential buyers" and more devices to access porn from than ever before.

Let me guess though, the billing companies are probably in bed with the tube sites and file locker rev share programs...

Would anyone be interested in trying to start something like this up?

I don't know about that but thank you
Now just let me know where to send you the check