PaySites Have To Change Before It's Too Late. Here Are Some Ideas...

In 2005 I wanted to limit the content shared in preview but was "required" to place 12 or 16 images in galleries. Would have preferred less. So the industry has been "killing itself" via "overexpsure" for a long time.

Or "killing the little guy".

Anyway, there's still always room for "one more", and there are still lots of ideas outside "the box".

Have to change? Sure, in some ways. However all I see here is a bunch of low end shooters in a massive industry not able to capitalize on the available market.

Even the largest of companies are struggling to find quality shooters, they are all constantly looking to upgrade on them, sadly the talent is not within their circles. And they do not want to risk going outside the box.

What's a quality shooter? Not someone with good photographic/film skills. I've worked with people who were trained at film school worked for the BBC. fucking clueless at producing porn. Pornography skills have nothing to do with the equipment.

There are no new ideas to film porn. There hasn't been for 20 years, so forget about that idea. Because fucking hasn't changed for million of years. All we can do is change the models, style, niche, and location.

The problem is ROI. Brian's idea sounds expensive, how many members does he need to make it break even? This has busted loads of sites who tried to over think the wheel.

Basically how about this industry actually tries to do what theyre doing right first, before trying to create some new way to offer it. What you're selling is garbage. Just because it's porn, doesn't mean people should be tripping over themselves to buy it. How many here talking about how paysites have declined have created anything that could be considered more desirable than tube content? I haven't seen a person post a thing. Somebody went out and did it finally and was successful. Lets just say I am not shocked. Less people doing it, less people succeeding. The people who have succeeded are sitting on a ton of money and probably have alot better things to do with their money than throw it back into a declining industry. They also have ridiculously high expectations in what type of profit they should get as well, due to them being in this industry during its peak. Bill from NubileFilms will have much higher expectations for his site, than somebody starting out today, perhaps expectations that are a little unrealistic. I have noticed a few companies not interested in continuing to launch products due to their profits declining on their flagship site, its not exactly motivating. However I think alot of them do not realize the profit is in continuing to launch products, its not 1999 before where you could make it rich and make your living on a single brand. You max out a sites by reaching the ceiling, it will inevitably fall over time, thats why you launch another.

People use this lack of successful sites as evidence of their decline, however thats not exactly the case here. Until I see a top notch site produced with top notch talent, exclusive content and with somebody who knows about marketing behind it, FAIL. Then the talk about paysites and their state is a bit strange. Blacked is not struggling to profit.

What is "doing it right", "top notch talent">

Tell us what paysites should be doing. Rather than saying, vaguely, they should produce better content.

Tell us what paysites should be doing. Rather than saying, vaguely, they should produce better content.

As far as models, I cannot because people will surely disagree. And unless I still had the millions a day i had in traffic (to one site) and threw up a poll to ask which photo/model is better, I could not prove you wrong at the moment. So I do not care to get into the debate. Lets just say, blacked and x-art shoot better models and make them look better. Most people dont even see this, its sad. The fact you ask, shows me that its not as clear to you. Its clear to some and theyre raking it in. Its not clear to other companies because they are falling short. Sadly I cannot convince you that people do not have an eye. I can't show you what you cannot see. There are many people who are very good at their jobs who do see this and theyre the ones making money. I wont be surprised to see GFYers debate this. ;) I see new threads of producers posting HOT AMAZING new talent, i open and wonder if they posted the wrong pictures. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, correct. However when analyzing talent for the masses, there is a right and wrong. The people who get it right the vast majority of the time are the people good at their job

I already mentioned in my above post. Research lighting trends in porn. Stay ontop of camera technology. Rent something more expensive if you can't afford it now. Actually put time and money into recruitment. Be more hands on with an inhouse crew, as opposed to giving budgets to contracted production teams, etc. Be stricter with quality control. Spend more on wardrobe. Get better shooters. Actually put time and effort into looking outside your circle for a shooter, test a bunch. Do not hire the first shooter that is CAPABLE of doing the job OKAY. Hire hot girls. Hire girls who are trending. Get them early, pay for their first scenes. Pay for exclusive contracts (if you can). Learn lighting (white houses are good). Learn models good sides, learn what makes them look good. Learn how to style models according to what makes them look their best. Dont cheap out on locations. You get what you pay for, cutting corners and being cheap because youre worried it wont produce as much money before, means you'll get a product that won't make as much as before. This is what people dont get.

The list is much much longer than this, honestly, most fail at 95 percent of these things, then wonder why. Most do not see they fail at these things. They simply do not have any eye whatsoever. So telling them they dont will be lost on them

Have to change? Sure, in some ways. However all I see here is a bunch of low end shooters in a massive industry not able to capitalize on the available market.

Even the largest of companies are struggling to find quality shooters, they are all constantly looking to upgrade on them, sadly the talent is not within their circles. And they do not want to risk going outside the box.

The poor thing about a closed off/private industry like this is that new talent does not find its way in.. and I do not mean female talent. I mean behind the scenes. Even the best people at what they do would be considered extremely low end when it comes to mainstream. Their eye for good porn, their judgement when it comes to what models they should cast, the work they put into recruitment, their knowledge of what the market wants in terms of lighting (they always seem to be years behind), their research into equipment and just general drive they have when it comes to improving. The industry needs to open it's doors to the outside and let someone other than basement dwellers who have been here since the early 90s who managed to cash in early call the shots, shoot the content, etc. However, nobody is willing to take that risk in a declining industry, so it just inevitably falls harder than it should. I still see the same cookie cutter shooters who haven't produced a modern twist on porn in 20 years, shoot just about every scene still being made today, most haven't even been a key factor in the success of any site. How can things really trend in any other direction?

I hear the major companies CONSTANTLY talking about how they want to shoot in higher quality, shoot like blacked, etc etc - however why are they not doing it? the ones that are now, why not sooner? and the ones that are, why are they falling short? Its not rocket science. Did they really think that talent was the best? do they really think they made them look their best? do they look as good as they do on x-art/blacked? no, figure the details out. I do think the production teams are a little separated from the owners. Production teams are basically given a budget to produce a scene, that production team will shoot that as efficiently as they can so that they can profit the most. Not the best way to conduct business. Nevermind that, the company will continue to purchase them as they are good enough to generate a product, they dont exactly aim as high as they should and they dont exactly have the drive to step outside the few select shooters they know either. No different than producers dont waste their time with recruiting talent, you get some no shows, etc - Producers aren't willing to take that risk, which leaves us with an industry with a lack of new good talent

I could go on and on, while there is an obvious decline, paysites are FAR from in bad shape. The VERY few that have an eye for above average content are doing very well for themselves, especially given how much it costs to launch a site. Profit margin is still insane.

The #1 problem with shooters and they way they shoot porn? Too much focus on cock in pussy (or asshole).

Guys do NOT want to look at a cock sliding into a pussy 50,000 times for eight minutes straight. In fact, to show how useless most shooters are:

Gorgeous girl, in the midst of pleasure, her face contorted with ecstasy...the shooter IMMEDIATELY pulls away and goes down to the pussy. Man is fondling her beautiful breasts - shooter IMMEDIATELY goes back to the pussy. It's almost as if the shooter is emotionally uncomfortable with anything 'real' or focusing on the beauty of the female form. Nope, gotta be a CLOSEUP of a cock drilling a pussy for eight minutes.

Get it? No, probably not. LOL Carry on.

The #1 problem with shooters and they way they shoot porn? Too much focus on cock in pussy (or asshole).

Guys do NOT want to look at a cock sliding into a pussy 50,000 times for eight minutes straight. In fact, to show how useless most shooters are:

Gorgeous girl, in the midst of pleasure, her face contorted with ecstasy...the shooter IMMEDIATELY pulls away and goes down to the pussy. Man is fondling her beautiful breasts - shooter IMMEDIATELY goes back to the pussy. It's almost as if the shooter is emotionally uncomfortable with anything 'real' or focusing on the beauty of the female form. Nope, gotta be a CLOSEUP of a cock drilling a pussy for eight minutes.

Get it? No, probably not. LOL Carry on.

Ryan, you just wrote out exactly what I was not willing to take the time to type. You are spot on. From my experience the sites I work with are all selling like crazy. They all have high quality production value and the consumers are willing to pay for it. I am often seeing budgets in the $6-10k a scene now for BG. Sometimes more. And the sites spending that (properly) are killing it.

From my perspective the sites that are in decline are in decline because the customers want better product. Too many sites are cranking out the same shit over and over. Even the sites (and video companies) I shoot for that are killing it with big budget scenes are looking for ways to improve and evolve.

Pay sites are not dying. The customer is just more savvy and the days of cranking out crap and selling it are over.

I like you and like your work, so don't take this wrong, but name 3 pay sites (not owned by tubes because they monetize differently) which are paying remotely $10k a scene for pay site content.

The #1 problem with shooters and they way they shoot porn? Too much focus on cock in pussy (or asshole).

Guys do NOT want to look at a cock sliding into a pussy 50,000 times for eight minutes straight. In fact, to show how useless most shooters are:

Gorgeous girl, in the midst of pleasure, her face contorted with ecstasy...the shooter IMMEDIATELY pulls away and goes down to the pussy. Man is fondling her beautiful breasts - shooter IMMEDIATELY goes back to the pussy. It's almost as if the shooter is emotionally uncomfortable with anything 'real' or focusing on the beauty of the female form. Nope, gotta be a CLOSEUP of a cock drilling a pussy for eight minutes.

Get it? No, probably not. LOL Carry on.