PaySites Have To Change Before It's Too Late. Here Are Some Ideas...

I suppose so long as it's user uploads, or no one can prove otherwise, and the site responds to DMCA notices. Seems OK. Of course, it also helps if the company and site aren't based in the US.

This is the sad state we're in today.

If 1,000 came in for a free product that costs the pharmacy money and bought nothing. The pharmacy would soon go bankrupt. You use something, that's free or very low costs, to throw traffic at sites.

Agree. Paysites and Cams have to offer a lot more than a girl who can't talk English well, is doing it for real with emotions, and connecting to the consumer. I liked The Habib Show just wanted more contact with her talking to the viewer. Personal preferences I guess.

To gain a customer's trust and loyalty the product has to be worth it. This side of porn never thought that was true. There were few sites that paid enough to gain trust. Did Twistys pay as much as the offline market? That's around $4,000 per solo girl and treble or more for a BG video, with the producer retaining copyright?

Not having a go at you, just stating the obvious. Only those with a content producer as part of the ownership, were able to produce a real quality product. We all know them and many are still here. It was only the demise of offline that some sites were able to get the top shooters.

Even then members were able to download the whole site in a month and cancel. Then return in six months and download all the updates.

The only way forward is to offer something of real value that's live every day. Then the problem is creating it and affording it.

ha, ha, ha, Porn Nerd just won this thread

Our paysite has all of that and a whole lot more. It will be the best site on the web. You wait and see. You have no other choice.
Everything is interactive. They can dress the girls. It will take months just to try all the features on the site and use them.
Still perfecting the menu system out but the ones who have tested it think it is great. The girls have not paid for a bite to eat since we started running tests
When the girls yawn the fans will know. When they take a sip of lemonade they will know.
One big draw is watching TV with them. Watch their favorite shows with them and talk about that shit when it is over. Sounds gay? Well it is but they love anything that brings them closer to the girls.

I've watched movies together with my ex over skype when I was traveling. Pretty cool. Especially when I didn't feel like talking and wanted to eat in the meantime.
I can see the appeal to this.

Have you seen bees knees before? Put that shit in a microscope and look closely, you will see a picture of our site. It will be the fucking bees knees.

We have been doing custom videos for 17 years. They get to write the script, pick the clothes out, They can even send outfits, toys, whatever for the girls to use in the video. This has always been a big part.
I mentioned before they can even cook dinner with them. 24/7 cams have been around but not like this. Cams work so well now. Where the girls go the fans go too

Well, if you cannot sell something (in sufficient quantity) get a job for a wage or retire

That pharmacy is in a store that makes money -- the local pharmacy shoppe is a distant memory. Things change ...

Sounds good

In 2005 I wanted to limit the content shared in preview but was "required" to place 12 or 16 images in galleries. Would have preferred less. So the industry has been "killing itself" via "overexpsure" for a long time.

Or "killing the little guy".

Anyway, there's still always room for "one more", and there are still lots of ideas outside "the box".

Have to change? Sure, in some ways. However all I see here is a bunch of low end shooters in a massive industry not able to capitalize on the available market.

Even the largest of companies are struggling to find quality shooters, they are all constantly looking to upgrade on them, sadly the talent is not within their circles. And they do not want to risk going outside the box.

The poor thing about a closed off/private industry like this is that new talent does not find its way in.. and I do not mean female talent. I mean behind the scenes. Even the best people at what they do would be considered extremely low end when it comes to mainstream. Their eye for good porn, their judgement when it comes to what models they should cast, the work they put into recruitment, their knowledge of what the market wants in terms of lighting (they always seem to be years behind), their research into equipment and just general drive they have when it comes to improving. The industry needs to open it's doors to the outside and let someone other than basement dwellers who have been here since the early 90s who managed to cash in early call the shots, shoot the content, etc. However, nobody is willing to take that risk in a declining industry, so it just inevitably falls harder than it should. I still see the same cookie cutter shooters who haven't produced a modern twist on porn in 20 years, shoot just about every scene still being made today, most haven't even been a key factor in the success of any site. How can things really trend in any other direction?

I hear the major companies CONSTANTLY talking about how they want to shoot in higher quality, shoot like blacked, etc etc - however why are they not doing it? the ones that are now, why not sooner? and the ones that are, why are they falling short? Its not rocket science. Did they really think that talent was the best? do they really think they made them look their best? do they look as good as they do on x-art/blacked? no, figure the details out. I do think the production teams are a little separated from the owners. Production teams are basically given a budget to produce a scene, that production team will shoot that as efficiently as they can so that they can profit the most. Not the best way to conduct business. Nevermind that, the company will continue to purchase them as they are good enough to generate a product, they dont exactly aim as high as they should and they dont exactly have the drive to step outside the few select shooters they know either. No different than producers dont waste their time with recruiting talent, you get some no shows, etc - Producers aren't willing to take that risk, which leaves us with an industry with a lack of new good talent

I could go on and on, while there is an obvious decline, paysites are FAR from in bad shape. The VERY few that have an eye for above average content are doing very well for themselves, especially given how much it costs to launch a site. Profit margin is still insane.

Basically how about this industry actually tries to do what theyre doing right first, before trying to create some new way to offer it. What you're selling is garbage. Just because it's porn, doesn't mean people should be tripping over themselves to buy it. How many here talking about how paysites have declined have created anything that could be considered more desirable than tube content? I haven't seen a person post a thing. Somebody went out and did it finally and was successful. Lets just say I am not shocked. Less people doing it, less people succeeding. The people who have succeeded are sitting on a ton of money and probably have alot better things to do with their money than throw it back into a declining industry. They also have ridiculously high expectations in what type of profit they should get as well, due to them being in this industry during its peak. Bill from NubileFilms will have much higher expectations for his site, than somebody starting out today, perhaps expectations that are a little unrealistic. I have noticed a few companies not interested in continuing to launch products due to their profits declining on their flagship site, its not exactly motivating. However I think alot of them do not realize the profit is in continuing to launch products, its not 1999 before where you could make it rich and make your living on a single brand. You max out a sites by reaching the ceiling, it will inevitably fall over time, thats why you launch another.

People use this lack of successful sites as evidence of their decline, however thats not exactly the case here. Until I see a top notch site produced with top notch talent, exclusive content and with somebody who knows about marketing behind it, FAIL. Then the talk about paysites and their state is a bit strange. Blacked is not struggling to profit.

Feels good to take such a big shit eh? Yeah let it go bro