PaySites Have To Change Before It's Too Late. Here Are Some Ideas...

This is the same BS we heard about the value of content from tube people in the beginning, now you're trying to drive down site membership fees industrywide for people making great money, or newbies who don't know any better. There is a reason the movie theatre is so expensive, enjoyable & relevant with revenue increasing last year by 7.4%.

Guys like me still in the game know what we're doing and people pay because we know how to create the perfect chemistry of a number of factors that you guys have yet to unlock and we have decades old followings and the golden word of mouth.

The slash and burn mindset towards content, surfers & members is why tubes & so many sites fail.

After all these years you guys still don't get it and don't listen to, or work with, people who do evidently or things would be different for you.

17 years of never banging cards, never redirecting, never advertising or putting banners up, never selling their emails, etc. Nobody's perfect, especially me, but I honor my content and my members. I'm not angry at anyone as I post this only feeling passionate, and always open to working with people and new ideas, as you know Snap.

Pornhub can do it because zero content cost. Someone else worked and paid to find a model,paid to recruit them, paid for haircuts/makeup, paid for scheduling, paid for a location, paid for the models, paid for the video to be edited, paid for it to be uploaded, etc. One download by a fake member and it's on certain tubes for free and when that happens a huge amount of work gets 90% less of what your normally make.

Netflix, Roku etc make money on the back end in ways adult will never be permitted to, that's why membership is so cheap, though prices are going up.

People pay $60 for 3 months and $40 for 30 day non recurring, and more on some sites, still, and they're doing great.

So it's ONLY about the price point, regardless of the value? Again, only the Bros can play at that game, for anyone else it's a road to going out of business. Maybe that's your point? Eliminate all paysites?

Exactly right. I didn't factor in the cost of their content (or lack thereof) but instead focused on their massive traffic. But your points are spot on.

Everyone wants to make the pie smaller thinking they will sell 10x the pies that way. Doesn't work that way, sorry (or only does for the Wal-Marts of the world).

Let people buy the video/photo set etc. they want? Without been subject to recurring membership

And the Walmarts of the world pay no taxes, are government subsidized, etc.

Legitimate, established online porn Wal-Mart like sites (non stolen content) with daily updates are running a crazy rat race with huge turnover & unnecessary expenses.

When I talk to these guys and we share stories I'm blown away! Even though they have daily updates, expenses are going up and they can't raise their prices past rock bottom because of perceived value and their production resources are tapped making diversification difficult. They've tried A/B price increase testing and they lose too high a percentage of members every time. The organized crime theft of their content is out of control, which greatly affects their tight profit margins too.

The same thing happened to the DVD market. Prices remained stagnant while costs and piracy went up making the cost of making them not profitable. It actually amazes me anyone is still shooting content these days (the ones not subsidized by the big tubes).

I've read the only way to succeed at raising prices is to have a long term strategy. meaning you will lose Members at first but they will come back in time. That never worked for me. I keep things where they are and just try to add value. For those shooting content weekly I don't know how they do it anymore. And yet new paysites open all the time. Makes you wonder. LOL

The DVD market was completely different they had a huge cost of entry barrier in the tens of thousands. After starting my first site I wanted to supplement with DVD income and laughed when they quoted me $12k as the lowest entry point for one DVD release. All the middlemen became so greedy they priced themselves, and the platform, almost out of existence. Then prices went down but it was too late.

One method to raising prices is to start a new site, themed with a modern designed and providing new content in your best niche then promote it with your member base. Dressing up an old site gives current users a different perception then going to a fresh new modern entity.

Same here. I cannot imagine investing in exclusive content during this era, especially when updating several times per week.

Porn was an impulse buy. It's now an impulse people consume because we made it that way.

The problem is there were very few real marketing people who understood the product, its uses, and the consumer. There were webmasters talking bollox and how to give away more free porn than the next man. They compared bottled water to porn and now Netflix to porn. Neither compares, especially Netflix.

In effect, you were all losing over 100% of your possible sales the day you started to give away porn on TGPs. As time passed the percentile grew. Today it's over 10,000% lost to every sale. You threw out the baby with the bath water and now crying over spilt milk

But you did achieve your real goal, you now have more people looking at porn than ever was possible in the days when it made loads of money.

You were not alone and they laughed at us.

I'm the boy who cried wolf.

That will kill more sales than it creates. Because unless you can get clips down to a few minutes and make them outstanding. They will be long enough to jerk off to or too short and people will jerk off to something else.

Porn is for 99.99% of us a 15-minute experience, which is why the length of a porn scene is usually 20 minutes. Netflix, bottled water, etc, lasts for hours and can be enjoyed by the family.

Study the length a surfer stays on a Tube site video to see how it's consumed. Even girls on Webcam have problems holding the customers online. This was also the problem back in the days of phone line sex.

Sell the girls as people who also do live or recorded sex. The concept of Selling Sex alone is nearly over. As stats on Tubes prove.

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And yet today we learn one of the best producers is going to create great content and give it to Tube sites.

By 2020 there will be so little left of the porn business few here today will still be here.

Because we had an industry dominated by the concept of giving away free porn. I used the past tense as it will be the most appropriate.

How much do you invest in content production?

That was the song they sang back in the day of losing 99% of potential sales. They assumed because they had 1,000s getting off on free porn and 100s buying it was all good. I told them the signups were coming from offline porn and when that well ran dry they would see the real picture.

They laughed at me then, they're not laughing now.

We didn't try time machine technology. We could go back in time and disable people who invented tubes?