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  • DVTimes
    xxx
    • Jun 2003
    • 31658

    #16
    One thing to consider is Sex Factor: Porn Reality Show Episodes, TV Series of Explicit Contest

    They are doing it for free.

    How they make money I am not sure.
    XXX

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    • pimpmaster9000
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Dec 2011
      • 26732

      #17
      youtube search "full movies" = 67,5 million results

      fucks given by youtube= 0
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      • Colmike9
        (>^_^)b
        • Dec 2011
        • 7230

        #18
        From Grandma's Boy:
        "You can't whack it to Internet porn like everyone else?"
        "You know I don't have a credit card."

        Why can't more people be like that? And if there are people like that, how do I target them?..
        Join the BEST cam affiliate program on the internet!
        I've referred over $1.7mil in spending this past year, you should join in.
        I make a lot more money in the medical field in a lab now, fuck you guys. Don't ask me to come back, but do join Chaturbate in my sig, it still makes bank without me touching shit for years..

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        • Rochard
          Jägermeister Test Pilot
          • Dec 2001
          • 75733

          #19
          Originally posted by Shap
          #1 Tube sites get the job done as well if not better than paysites. I think it's safe to say 75% of paysites are worse than PornHub and 100% of Paysites have less variety than PornHub.
          This is completely unfair - Tube sites do not have to produce the content. Tube sites have more variety because they either take everyone's content or paysites give them their content. The most difficult part about creating a paysite / affiliate program is producing content, and that's not even an issue for Tube sites.

          Originally posted by Shap
          #2 The primary source of making money is at risk. What is the one secret weapon that has made all of us the majority of our money? RECURRING BILLING!!! After talking with a number of paysites recently the one thing I've noticed that has massively changed is Rebills are down. It makes sense. Most adult companies made the bulk of their money on rebills that would probably not have happened if they had to be done manually. The new generation of potential buyers have grown up on free porn and are very savvy. They won't be rebilling like our first generation of online porn buyers.
          The answer you might be looking for is what I call "information". Our industry used to be based on traffic - You send a paysite traffic and you get sign ups. Now it's about information - you want the customer's verified email address so you can sell them your site and then sell them everything else under the sun.

          I run YNOT Mail and also work in the dating industry. One of the things some of my dating affilaites have started doing is collecting the information themselves. Why send a surfer to a dating site and walk away from them when you can collect their information, send them to a dating site... And then two weeks later send them to a different dating site, and then a different dating site, and so on...

          It shouldn't be any different with pay sites. If you have a big boob site, once you have their email address, you know what their average retention is.... When they hit that point send them to another site - maybe in your own program, or in another program. And then every two - three weeks mail them another site. This should be AUTOMATIC - When someone signs up for your site or even just your email list, you send to them every week or every other week.

          All of the program owners should get together and do this too - When a customer signs up for program "A" they should get an email two weeks later sending them to program "B". Program "B" does the same. Add in ten programs and you are all making money. If someone doesn't convert with one program, they will eventually convert with another program.
          Herschel Savage
          Brooklyn, NY

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          • wehateporn
            Promoting Debate on GFY
            • Apr 2007
            • 27176

            #20
            Enjoyed reading, nice work Shap!!

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            • The Porn Nerd
              Living The Dream
              • Jun 2009
              • 19784

              #21
              Originally posted by Rochard
              This is completely unfair - Tube sites do not have to produce the content. Tube sites have more variety because they either take everyone's content or paysites give them their content. The most difficult part about creating a paysite / affiliate program is producing content, and that's not even an issue for Tube sites.



              The answer you might be looking for is what I call "information". Our industry used to be based on traffic - You send a paysite traffic and you get sign ups. Now it's about information - you want the customer's verified email address so you can sell them your site and then sell them everything else under the sun.

              I run YNOT Mail and also work in the dating industry. One of the things some of my dating affilaites have started doing is collecting the information themselves. Why send a surfer to a dating site and walk away from them when you can collect their information, send them to a dating site... And then two weeks later send them to a different dating site, and then a different dating site, and so on...

              It shouldn't be any different with pay sites. If you have a big boob site, once you have their email address, you know what their average retention is.... When they hit that point send them to another site - maybe in your own program, or in another program. And then every two - three weeks mail them another site. This should be AUTOMATIC - When someone signs up for your site or even just your email list, you send to them every week or every other week.

              All of the program owners should get together and do this too - When a customer signs up for program "A" they should get an email two weeks later sending them to program "B". Program "B" does the same. Add in ten programs and you are all making money. If someone doesn't convert with one program, they will eventually convert with another program.
              I need some help formatting my emails with YNOT. Maybe we can chat next week and I can get some help on spam filters and formatting?
              My Affiliate Programs:
              Porn Nerd Cash | Porn Showcase | Aggressive Gold

              Over 90 paysites to promote!
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              • The Porn Nerd
                Living The Dream
                • Jun 2009
                • 19784

                #22
                There are some great ideas in this thread but still I come to the conclusion that everything has been tried, or is being done now. Barring any new technology the job now, I feel, is marketing. HOW are you going to sell Memberships?

                So today I think, in 2016, paysites need to play up these points on their Tours and point of purchase:

                * Convenience. Why go anywhere else? Inside you will see more porn than you can watch in a lifetime. (Have limited content or niche content? Add feeds with vast libraries of all kinds of porn.)

                * Safety. No viruses, no worms, no nasty bits of code that will fuck up your computer or phone.

                * Privacy. Do you really want to be surfing around on public PORN sites in this age of identity theft, credit card hacks and social media blackmail? Stay here, we protect your privacy.

                * Respect. Didn't your mama teach you it's not right to take something for free? Support your local pornographer or he will go out of business. (Sounds hokey but it works.)

                * Technology. As you and your devices change so will we. We will always deliver to you what you want, how you want it and in a way that's easiest for you to enjoy. (Make sure your shit looks good on all devices.)

                * Health. Ease your mind, relieve yourself of the stress of always searching, searching to satisfy your needs. Come here and feel happy again!

                Shit like that. See what I mean? Selling ice to eskimos (marketing).

                Lastly, instead of trying to squeeze 10% more out of the cow just get yourself some more cows.
                My Affiliate Programs:
                Porn Nerd Cash | Porn Showcase | Aggressive Gold

                Over 90 paysites to promote!
                Now on Teams: peabodymedia

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                • Barry-xlovecam
                  It's 42
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 18083

                  #23
                  Maybe, The Internet of Things will save you -- The Internet reactive Bluetooth Pocket Pussy -- will your videos interact?

                  Sell the sizzle and not the steak

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                  • ravenazrael
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 590

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                    You're singing my song.

                    The problem is Tubes have all the pre-recorded porn people need. There isn't a paysite that beats Tubes. The recorded porn boom times are done.

                    Live porn in whatever way it's performed is all that's left and for that to be successful it has to be top notch.
                    Doesn`t Blacked.com beat them?
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                    www.bestboobscams.com

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                    • ravenazrael
                      Confirmed User
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 590

                      #25
                      Originally posted by DVTimes
                      One thing to consider is Sex Factor: Porn Reality Show Episodes, TV Series of Explicit Contest

                      They are doing it for free.

                      How they make money I am not sure.
                      Ads on those videos. Probably they have a deal where they get a % of the pop ups etc
                      www.boobsrealm.com
                      www.bestboobscams.com

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                      • Roald
                        SecretFriends.com
                        • May 2001
                        • 27910

                        #26
                        Originally posted by ravenazrael
                        Ads on those videos. Probably they have a deal where they get a % of the pop ups etc
                        I'd say it's a marketing thingy where they eat the cost and try to make people stick to their site etc.

                        We did it with FreeOnes at the consumer shows back in the days, big booths which would cost a small fortune but was completely focused on the branding and making people aware of us.


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                        • C H R I S
                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 10842

                          #27
                          Originally posted by ravenazrael
                          Ads on those videos. Probably they have a deal where they get a % of the pop ups etc
                          Sex Factor is owned by a tube... they can produce it at a loss. It's all pr value.
                          C H R I S
                          Retired Porn Veteran

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                          • Jigster715
                            So Fucking Banned
                            • Jul 2015
                            • 1459

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Bladewire
                            "PornHub is always a click away and pornhub can satisfy whatever mood they have." ...for free with content stolen from paysites. (Not just pornhub, all illegal tubes obviously. Pornhub has gotten better)

                            That is why so many sites have died, stolen content on tubes. You were part of that and made millions while site owners like me paid DMCA companies hundreds a month to play wackamole with tubes. I've also paid tens of thousands in attornies fees.

                            Pay channel apps are making a killing (HBO, Showtime, etc). People are happy to pay for what they want. People pay pornhub to become premium members. People pay for porn.

                            If you want a serious discussion make action bullet points. So far I read:

                            1) Work with other content owners to diversify content variety

                            2) Commenting system for subscribers

                            3) Change billing but you don't know how.

                            4) Change something to evolve but you don't know what.

                            Maybe those of us not destroyed by tubes & still in business since '99 have a lot we do that we don't share. Wanna know why? Because tube owners will implement our strategies. Fuck that
                            21 Thumbs Up. - I almost always get the feeling that Shaps threads are just about that. A fishing trip for MG and buddies.

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                            • Jigster715
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Jul 2015
                              • 1459

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                              So why isn't there a successful porn pay channel like Netflix?
                              I have said this many times -- I have -0- interest in pre-recorded porn (other that legal issues that may effect me).
                              I have never made a dime off of the ''rebill model.'' However, I have made a lot of money off satisfied sex cam customers' repeat sales.

                              Content is king and alway will be -- if you cannot sell what people want profitably you are out of business in short time. Content is being commoditized for many reasons and in many areas. Corn and flour are commoditized but they are still sold at a profit.

                              Adapt or die.
                              As usual, excellent post.

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                              • Konda
                                ...
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 2280

                                #30
                                Anyone can download or stream any hollywood movie for free, yet hollywood movies still make millions of dollars.

                                Same with TV shows, yet paid streaming services like NetFlix have millions of paying subscribers.

                                It is no different in porn. You can get anything you want for free, but still people spend millions on paysites.

                                The thing is that all the money now goes to the big boys, so the 'affiliates' and small programs see business is dying because they stopped making money, but there are more people watching porn than ever. You just have to know how to convert them to paying users. Big companies, media buyers and traffic networks took over from affiliates. The money is still there, it just goes to different people than it did 10 years ago where an affiliate could make a gallery and make money. Times change, get with the program.

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