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  • paperboy
    Confirmed User
    • Feb 2005
    • 359

    #1

    The future of the adult industry?

    Hi Gang,

    I have been reading and thinking a lot about the present and future of the industry. I wanted to have your opinion on the subject, since I know there are so many knowledgeable people on this board... I would like to start the conversation with a few questions... regarding the adult webcams niche... I keep hearing that they are getting the biggest piece of the pie... that they are the future of the adult industry, etc... so here they are:

    1. Is it the biggest market on the adult industry and it could keep growing exponentially?
    How many of you think adult webcams are the future of the industry and that the major players are actually getting the biggest piece of the pie?
    2. If the above it´s true... why aren´t more jasmins, chaturbates, MFC, BongoCams and cam4s popping up every year?
    3. And why so many have failed?
    4. Is it a profitable market for affiliates?
    5. Are the top 5 live webcams sites dominating the adult industry?
    6. Or is the contrary and it is a saturated market that will decline in the near future?

    Hoping this will start an interesting discussion...

    Cheers,
    LSHMSFOAIDMT- "Laughing so hard my sombrero falls off and I drop my taco"
  • TheDynasty
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    • Apr 2016
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    #2
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    • CPA-Rush
      small trip to underworld
      • Mar 2012
      • 4927

      #3
      6. Or is the contrary and it is a saturated market that will decline in the near future

      shit is getting old no creative people in this industry.

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      • Bladewire
        StraightBro
        • Aug 2003
        • 56228

        #4
        Originally posted by CPA-Rush
        ..no creative people in this industry.
        What kind of creatives don't you see?


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        • MiamiBoyz
          fgfdftre6
          • Oct 2012
          • 6690

          #5
          Originally posted by Bladewire
          What kind of creatives don't you see?
          Not enough snuff films.

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          • CPA-Rush
            small trip to underworld
            • Mar 2012
            • 4927

            #6
            Originally posted by Bladewire
            What kind of creatives don't you see?
            all the kinds, u know from where the tube idea came from ...

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            . daizzzy signbucks caution will black-hat black-hat your traffic

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            • Mr.Fiction
              Confirmed User
              • Feb 2002
              • 9484

              #7
              Originally posted by CPA-Rush
              all the kinds, u know from where the tube idea came from ...
              YouTube?
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              • paperboy
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2005
                • 359

                #8
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                • Paul Markham
                  Too old to care
                  • Jun 2001
                  • 52942

                  #9
                  Originally posted by paperboy
                  Hi Gang,

                  I have been reading and thinking a lot about the present and future of the industry. I wanted to have your opinion on the subject, since I know there are so many knowledgeable people on this board... I would like to start the conversation with a few questions... regarding the adult webcams niche... I keep hearing that they are getting the biggest piece of the pie... that they are the future of the adult industry, etc... so here they are:

                  1. Is it the biggest market on the adult industry and it could keep growing exponentially?
                  How many of you think adult webcams are the future of the industry and that the major players are actually getting the biggest piece of the pie?
                  2. If the above it´s true... why aren´t more jasmins, chaturbates, MFC, BongoCams and cam4s popping up every year?
                  3. And why so many have failed?
                  4. Is it a profitable market for affiliates?
                  5. Are the top 5 live webcams sites dominating the adult industry?
                  6. Or is the contrary and it is a saturated market that will decline in the near future?

                  Hoping this will start an interesting discussion...

                  Cheers,


                  The webcam business will evolve away from the studio model, third world studios with someone typing for a girl who can't speak English, and a bored, plastic girl going through a sex act. Into a far more intimate one-one experience via Skype or a purpose built platform.

                  Promotion will change as well. Traffic is unbelievably cheap. The problem for most cam sites is they're crap at selling the product. If a cam site can't convert 1-2,000 surfers. It's not the traffic that's wrong. It's the product and marketing.

                  A more personal approach to marketing is the key. Sell the sizzle, not the steak. Which will make it hard for affiliates who want to dump "traffic" onto a website and expect the site to do the rest. Somne are already failing to do it for themselves.



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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Bladewire
                    What kind of creatives don't you see?
                    Creatives of people selling people to people.

                    At the moment it's a system of dumping traffic, scratching heads over ratios, tweaking banners, etc.

                    We're in the intimate, personal, pleasure, people, business. Not webmastering.



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                    • brassmonkey
                      Pay It Forward
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 77396

                      #11
                      pack up and leave things are different adapt or ... !! you know the rest
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                      • CaptainHowdy
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Dec 2004
                        • 94733

                        #12
                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                        pack up and leave things are different adapt or ... !! you know the rest

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                        • brassmonkey
                          Pay It Forward
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 77396

                          #13
                          Originally posted by CaptainHowdy
                          TRUMP 2026 KEKAW!!! - The Laken Riley Act Is Law!
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                          • xXXtesy10
                            Fakecoin Investor
                            • Jul 2012
                            • 7127

                            #14
                            Originally posted by MiamiBoyz
                            Not enough snuff films.
                            you obvious not been on motherless lately
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                            • paperboy
                              Confirmed User
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 359

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Paul Markham


                              The webcam business will evolve away from the studio model, third world studios with someone typing for a girl who can't speak English, and a bored, plastic girl going through a sex act. Into a far more intimate one-one experience via Skype or a purpose built platform.

                              Promotion will change as well. Traffic is unbelievably cheap. The problem for most cam sites is they're crap at selling the product. If a cam site can't convert 1-2,000 surfers. It's not the traffic that's wrong. It's the product and marketing.

                              A more personal approach to marketing is the key. Sell the sizzle, not the steak. Which will make it hard for affiliates who want to dump "traffic" onto a website and expect the site to do the rest. Somne are already failing to do it for themselves.
                              Thanks mate great input!
                              LSHMSFOAIDMT- "Laughing so hard my sombrero falls off and I drop my taco"

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                              • rayadp05
                                TRUEAMATEURMODELS.COM
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 4187

                                #16
                                Regarding the affiliates making $$$$ ...most definitely. I cannot speak for other programs, but my affiliates have always done very well in terms of conversions. As far as the future, I really don't know. I see the possibility of 3D stuff getting more popular, but I could be wrong. Will be interesting to see how the industry progresses ...and it's also important for all of us content producers to keep up with the changes.

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                                • adultmobile
                                  No, I am not banned
                                  • Nov 2003
                                  • 5345

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by paperboy
                                  2. If the above it´s true... why aren´t more jasmins, chaturbates, MFC, BongoCams and cam4s popping up every year?
                                  3. And why so many have failed?
                                  Most of the top 5 or even 10 cam sites was launched between 1997 and 2004 (even myfreecams is from 2004, even if took off in 2009 really). Chaturbate and Bongacams both launched in 2011 making these the newest (and latest) cam sites launched that didn't failed and took into top ranks. But, both chaturbate and bongacams owners previously ran other programs (adult dating etc.) so it was no new guys. In other words, no guys who are totally new to the adult industry launched a cam site that went well in the past, at least since 2005.
                                  In other words, the 80% of cam sites market is in hands of the same dozen of people since 10 to 15 years with no significant changes, except that some that a couple that was in dating or paysites moved to cams.

                                  New guys failed because launched cam sites investing less than $1M in media buying and marketing to models etc. You simply can't launch a cam site with $10k and every new failed cam site further verify that. Yet, no one with more than $10k is willing to launch a cam site since so many years.

                                  Saturation: In mainstream, you have sure saturation, think at video games, that's sure saturated and sure hundreds of thousands of new video games are launched, all of which fail commercially. But unlike in adult, in mainstream you have investors and venture capital, that is funding million dollars to make new projects, some of which end up with a billion dollar value (see supercell for ex.). In adult, the only guys who got funded was manwin/pornub with some $300M fund they sold to teachers pensions or whatever, and see where pornhub is. Let anyone invest $100M to launch a new cam site (plus buy and merge a few of the smaller) and sure things would be shaked around, no matter the "saturation".

                                  In adult cams we don't have saturation: we have new venture investment inactivity

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                                  • RyuLion
                                    • Mar 2003
                                    • 32369

                                    #18
                                    web cams, VR and more coming up..

                                    Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995
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                                    • xXXtesy10
                                      Fakecoin Investor
                                      • Jul 2012
                                      • 7127

                                      #19
                                      theft, stealing, hijacks, installs, malware, carding more of same really
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                                      • nico-t
                                        emperor of my world
                                        • Aug 2004
                                        • 29903

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                        pack up and leave things are different adapt or ... !! you know the rest
                                        you conveniently leave out scraping leftovers from the bottom of the barrell, a.k.a. sigwhore... Oops, you don't want competition! Git dat paper dogg

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                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                          It's 42
                                          • Jun 2010
                                          • 18083

                                          #21
                                          1. There is innovation on the internet and connected with the bricks and mortar world -- just not much in the adult industry.
                                          • Netflix
                                          • Amazon
                                          • Tesla
                                          • SpaceX
                                          • Faceboot
                                          • Twitter
                                          • Airbnb
                                          • Uber
                                          • the list goes on

                                          • Number of internet users in global regions 2016 | Statistic

                                          2. How many of these people can buy from you? This is why traffic is cheap and the ROI on traffic is poor. These people buy fish heads and rice daily and look for free porn on the internet. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Additionally, Internet advertising suffers from ad blocking and CPM fraud.

                                          3. I am sure that some of the retail stock brokerages are gone today because of price competition from the new breed of digital stock brokerages.

                                          Large (or larger) business incumbency helps (or helped) but you only have to look as far as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs and now Eldon Musk to see that the information technology has leveled the playing field.


                                          If you bring nothing new to the table -- no defined unique product value -- why would you expect to excel? A can of corn is a can of corn -- commoditization.

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                                          • Useless Warrior
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • Apr 2004
                                            • 975

                                            #22
                                            There is one constant in adult: the sky is always falling.

                                            Go forth and mold your product and sell it. Ignore the constant doom and gloom of the Paul Markhams of the world, or they'll cripple your motivation and you'll give up.

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                                            • Bladewire
                                              StraightBro
                                              • Aug 2003
                                              • 56228

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Useless Warrior
                                              There is one constant in adult: the sky is always falling.

                                              Go forth and mold your product and sell it. Ignore the constant doom and gloom of the Paul Markhams & Shaps of the world, or they'll cripple your motivation and you'll give up.
                                              Fixed that for you


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                                              • RyuLion
                                                • Mar 2003
                                                • 32369

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                Fixed that for you

                                                Adult Biz Consultant A tech head since 1995
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                                                • Paul Markham
                                                  Too old to care
                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                  • 52942

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Useless Warrior
                                                  There is one constant in adult: the sky is always falling.
                                                  It wasn't always like that. I can remember the time when the future was going to be great, there was more money n porn than I could get my hands on. I was working hard shooting new girsl and the content was flying out the door. Then you guys decided to race and see how fast you can give it away.

                                                  Go forth and mold your product and sell it.


                                                  Just make sure it's not the same as what's been made a10,000 times befire and on free porn sites.

                                                  Ignore the constant doom and gloom of the Paul Markhams of the world, or they'll cripple your motivation and you'll give up.
                                                  Better than spending time and money doing the same as was done yesterday and expecting it to do better tomorrow.

                                                  14 years ago you guys were telling me offline porn is dying and mostly you were right. I'm telling you porn paysites are dying for most of you, webcams are in te process of changing and the affiliate model of yesterday has changed.

                                                  The future is about adapting or dying and that doesn't mean doing what you did yesterday but with a different landing page or pop-up.



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