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  • Shap
    Confirmed User
    • May 2001
    • 8313
    #1

    Looking for Someone to Partner Up With for Free Site / Tube Project

    Happy 4th Of July Everyone!

    I?ve been going through the emails I?ve received from webmasters looking for feedback and help on their sites. Most people are stuck trying to make old designs and old ideas work. To be honest I am blown away at how few people are actually trying to do something new or something that surfers would actually want.

    It got me thinking there is far more opportunity out there than people think. I have a lot of ideas for free site/tubes that I think could work. The thing is, right now, I?m not looking to build them up myself and I don?t want to hire a team to do that. Instead I?d rather partner up with someone who has the skill set and hunger to make it work.

    If you have the ability to design/develop and run a site and would like to build and run one together let me know. Drop me an email at AskShap at Gmail. If you know someone that may fit the bill for this pass this along to them

    If I do decide to do this I?ll keep a detailed log of stats and progress and share it with everyone.

    One disclaimer... It never hurts to ask but just know I'm looking for someone talented and hungry. Please be sure you have both before you email.

    If you are reading this post a little Hi to bump this for me Thanks!
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    • Bladewire
      StraightBro
      • Aug 2003
      • 56228
      #2
      Right on


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        • The Porn Nerd
          Living The Dream
          • Jun 2009
          • 19787
          #3
          Finally read my email about my tube idea eh, the one you never answered?

          Either it's Industry-friendly or it's just another tube, regardless of design. Best of luck!

          PS: Actually some tubes, like Porndoe, TNAFlix, Pornhub and a few others, are heading in the right direction in terms of better advertising the content provider's website. I don't know how you feel about the whole "channels" thing but I am mixed on the subject.
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            • EddyTheDog
              Just Doing My Own Thing
              • Jan 2011
              • 25433
              #4
              I wish I was in a better space ATM - I would jump ALL OVER this...

              Good luck.....

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                • Shap
                  Confirmed User
                  • May 2001
                  • 8313
                  #5
                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                  Finally read my email about my tube idea eh, the one you never answered?

                  Either it's Industry-friendly or it's just another tube, regardless of design. Best of luck!
                  I never look at things as industry friendly or typical tube. Instead in any business you have to consider what sets you up for the best potential to succeed moving forward. There are no friends in business. If any of you could find a time machine and go back in time you'd all start a tube and try to do exactly what xhamster, youjizz and youporn did. I know if you gave me a time machine i'd do that in a heartbeat for SexTube.

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                    • Shap
                      Confirmed User
                      • May 2001
                      • 8313
                      #6
                      Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                      Finally read my email about my tube idea eh, the one you never answered?

                      Either it's Industry-friendly or it's just another tube, regardless of design. Best of luck!

                      PS: Actually some tubes, like Porndoe, TNAFlix, Pornhub and a few others, are heading in the right direction in terms of better advertising the content provider's website. I don't know how you feel about the whole "channels" thing but I am mixed on the subject.
                      Open to discuss that channels debate with you. What has you mixed on it?

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                        • Axeman
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 5201
                          #7
                          Glad to see you wanting to get back in the game on some level!
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                            • The Porn Nerd
                              Living The Dream
                              • Jun 2009
                              • 19787
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Shap
                              Open to discuss that channels debate with you. What has you mixed on it?
                              Well, on the one hand, having Channels helps focus your uploads and target your marketing a bit better via the Tubes. But the 'downside' (an 'upside' from the Tubes' perspective) is surfers stay on the Tube rather than go to the paysite. In fact, with some Channels, they are made to look like mini-versions of your paysite.

                              So basically I would prefer not to have them BUT it's the Tubes' traffic so I work within whatever system they have setup.

                              And what I meant by 'Industry-friendly" is that whatever new tube that comes out should do their best to split revenue with the content provider so that content producers will willingly support the project rather than spend the time DMCA-ing everything. And I am not talking about just banners or text links. LOL
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                                • xXXtesy10
                                  Fakecoin Investor
                                  • Jul 2012
                                  • 7127
                                  #9
                                  will rip twistys and upload for site.. pm with offer
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                                    • brassmonkey
                                      Pay It Forward
                                      • Sep 2005
                                      • 77396
                                      #10
                                      i know a couple people. what are you offering on your end?
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                                        • Horatio Caine
                                          full-time aspiring rapper
                                          • Aug 2012
                                          • 5746
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                          i know a couple people. what are you offering on your end?
                                          4 days and you are out of money, dogg?
                                          You don't know any people.

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                                            • LatinaCamChat
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jul 2015
                                              • 571
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Horatio Caine
                                              4 days and you are out of money, dogg?
                                              You don't know any people.
                                              He knows a few people, in the government housing complex he lives in.

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                                                • Shap
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • May 2001
                                                  • 8313
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                  Well, on the one hand, having Channels helps focus your uploads and target your marketing a bit better via the Tubes. But the 'downside' (an 'upside' from the Tubes' perspective) is surfers stay on the Tube rather than go to the paysite. In fact, with some Channels, they are made to look like mini-versions of your paysite.

                                                  So basically I would prefer not to have them BUT it's the Tubes' traffic so I work within whatever system they have setup.

                                                  And what I meant by 'Industry-friendly" is that whatever new tube that comes out should do their best to split revenue with the content provider so that content producers will willingly support the project rather than spend the time DMCA-ing everything. And I am not talking about just banners or text links. LOL
                                                  Interesting. I've never considered channels that way. I can see your point. I understand a content owner's views on that. On the flip side if a paysite can't compete with a channel on a tube it doesn't really deserve to be a paysite. It's a free market and you have to be able to offer a product that stands on its own and is worth paying for imo.

                                                  Interesting concept. There are a few road blocks to it.
                                                  #1 There are a few categories of content producers. Those who give everything to tubes, those that give nothing to tubes, and those in the middle. The tubes already have the first two groups' content. The problem with trying to address the group that won't give their content is there is no pleasing them. There is nothing you can reasonably do that would make them happy to get on board.

                                                  #2 If you are going to share revenue what do you share it based on? Referred sales? ad Sales? Who gets what share? Views? Percentage of video viewed? Comments? Votes? Rating? Clicks sent out? etc.

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                                                    • The Porn Nerd
                                                      Living The Dream
                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                      • 19787
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Shap
                                                      #2 If you are going to share revenue what do you share it based on? Referred sales? ad Sales? Who gets what share? Views? Percentage of video viewed? Comments? Votes? Rating? Clicks sent out? etc.
                                                      All of it. Everything. ANY revenue the tube gets they split with the people who are making that revenue possible: the content providers.

                                                      So: ad sales, cam sales, traffic sales, Premium Memberships, etc etc. ALL of it. With total Industry support you would get those who do not play on tubes and those who do will love you even more.
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                                                        • CaptainHowdy
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                          • 94735
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Horatio Caine
                                                          4 days and you are out of money, dogg?
                                                          You don't know any people.

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                                                            • Shap
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • May 2001
                                                              • 8313
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                              All of it. Everything. ANY revenue the tube gets they split with the people who are making that revenue possible: the content providers.

                                                              So: ad sales, cam sales, traffic sales, Premium Memberships, etc etc. ALL of it. With total Industry support you would get those who do not play on tubes and those who do will love you even more.
                                                              I disagree. Those who do not play on tubes would not join this type of tube or any tube. They are not staying away from tubes for the $$$ they are staying away for other reasons.

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                                                                • Shap
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                  • 8313
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                  All of it. Everything. ANY revenue the tube gets they split with the people who are making that revenue possible: the content providers.

                                                                  So: ad sales, cam sales, traffic sales, Premium Memberships, etc etc. ALL of it. With total Industry support you would get those who do not play on tubes and those who do will love you even more.
                                                                  Back to my question how do you split up the revenue?

                                                                  #1 The tube needs to make money. So what would be determined as too little to split and share?

                                                                  #2 how do you split who gets what? What determines how much each content provider is paid?

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                                                                    • robwod
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                      • 2540
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Shap: Off-topic, but personally, I'd love to see you try and re-acquire Twistys / TwistysCash.

                                                                      If you ever start another proper "babes" site, let me know. I'll be happy to jump in on that.

                                                                      Good luck!
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                                                                        • Shap
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                          • 8313
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by robwod
                                                                          Shap: Off-topic, but personally, I'd love to see you try and re-acquire Twistys / TwistysCash.

                                                                          If you ever start another proper "babes" site, let me know. I'll be happy to jump in on that.

                                                                          Good luck!
                                                                          Tried multiple times.

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                                                                            • robwod
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                              • 2540
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Shap
                                                                              Tried multiple times.
                                                                              Yeah, I know. It's a shame.

                                                                              ETA: interesting though that they won't part with it because, to me personally, it doesn't seem like it's a real priority in their portfolio (the harder core portfolio sites seem to be higher priority, though that could be my own perception).
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                                                                                • Serge Litehead
                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                                                  • 5190
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  i'm constantly hungry but first have to sort things on my plate though.

                                                                                  this could be a cool and interesting project!

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                                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                      Living The Dream
                                                                                      • Jun 2009
                                                                                      • 19787
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                      Back to my question how do you split up the revenue?

                                                                                      #1 The tube needs to make money. So what would be determined as too little to split and share?

                                                                                      #2 how do you split who gets what? What determines how much each content provider is paid?
                                                                                      It would require some impressive coding I do admit. But perhaps revenue could be calculated via page views/video plays/CTR (or some combo). Here is the problem:

                                                                                      Video gets 500k views on Tube.
                                                                                      Video gets 3% CTR (which is above average) so 15k to the paysite.
                                                                                      Tube gets to monetize 485,000 people in multiple ways while the paysite gets to monetize 15,000 people in one way only (signups).

                                                                                      Who wins in this scenario? The Tube, of course.

                                                                                      So unless you get either the visitors or the revenue closer to 50% most paysites will view tubes as just another affiliate. And, as most Program Owners now know, we are already seeing diminishing returns with the tubes. I am sure the tubes themselves are seeing a decline in traffic and revenue. So time to partner up as equally as possible.
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                                                                                        • brassmonkey
                                                                                          Pay It Forward
                                                                                          • Sep 2005
                                                                                          • 77396
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          so guessing just expert coaching
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                                                                                            • TrafficRush
                                                                                              See My SIG!
                                                                                              • Dec 2003
                                                                                              • 2099
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              my buddy is looking for a partner with his new tube site WrekTube.com

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                                                                                                • Shap
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                  • 8313
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                  It would require some impressive coding I do admit. But perhaps revenue could be calculated via page views/video plays/CTR (or some combo). Here is the problem:

                                                                                                  Video gets 500k views on Tube.
                                                                                                  Video gets 3% CTR (which is above average) so 15k to the paysite.
                                                                                                  Tube gets to monetize 485,000 people in multiple ways while the paysite gets to monetize 15,000 people in one way only (signups).

                                                                                                  Who wins in this scenario? The Tube, of course.

                                                                                                  So unless you get either the visitors or the revenue closer to 50% most paysites will view tubes as just another affiliate. And, as most Program Owners now know, we are already seeing diminishing returns with the tubes. I am sure the tubes themselves are seeing a decline in traffic and revenue. So time to partner up as equally as possible.
                                                                                                  Let's be honest, in the 5 years since I've sold paysites haven't changed. Do you think that will work another 5 years? No way. Building a tube to accommodate paysites would be a mistake. Paysites are going to have to evolve and become something completely different. The clock is ticking on the current business model.

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                                                                                                    • CaptainHowdy
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Dec 2004
                                                                                                      • 94735
                                                                                                      #26

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                                                                                                        • Horatio Caine
                                                                                                          full-time aspiring rapper
                                                                                                          • Aug 2012
                                                                                                          • 5746
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                                          so guessing just expert coaching
                                                                                                          He is not buying sigs. You disappoint, son?

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                                                                                                            • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                              Living The Dream
                                                                                                              • Jun 2009
                                                                                                              • 19787
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                              Let's be honest, in the 5 years since I've sold paysites haven't changed. Do you think that will work another 5 years? No way. Building a tube to accommodate paysites would be a mistake. Paysites are going to have to evolve and become something completely different. The clock is ticking on the current business model.
                                                                                                              Paysites do not need to change. They are content providers, nothng more. Without paysites who will create the content? The tubes themselves? Think of it this way:

                                                                                                              Each tube site is like a cable channel. The "big guys" are already set (Pornhub, XVideos, XHamster, etc). They are like ESPN, CNN, etc. But where do those 'cable channels' (tubes) GET their programming (content)? From tv and movie studios (paysites). Content is king, right?

                                                                                                              So paysites need not change but they DO need to survive by shooting new content. If a tube does not help its' partners stay in business everything goes down the toilet. Unless you want to go back to the good ol' "user upload" days.
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                                                                                                                • Mediamix
                                                                                                                  Dutch Webmaster!
                                                                                                                  • Sep 2013
                                                                                                                  • 3228
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                  Paysites do not need to change. They are content providers, nothng more. Without paysites who will create the content? The tubes themselves? Think of it this way:

                                                                                                                  Each tube site is like a cable channel. The "big guys" are already set (Pornhub, XVideos, XHamster, etc). They are like ESPN, CNN, etc. But where do those 'cable channels' (tubes) GET their programming (content)? From tv and movie studios (paysites). Content is king, right?

                                                                                                                  So paysites need not change but they DO need to survive by shooting new content. If a tube does not help its' partners stay in business everything goes down the toilet. Unless you want to go back to the good ol' "user upload" days.
                                                                                                                  But Tubes are already making their own content.. They can do that because now they have the money. Shap is right... In 5 years paysites will be gone.
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                                                                                                                    • plaster
                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                      • Apr 2015
                                                                                                                      • 2295
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I'm surprised you are targeting adult. The only real way of making a great deal of money in adult is by screwing someone else over, either directly or indirectly.

                                                                                                                      None of the top money makers are really legit. It may be legal but it's, in most adult business models, unethical. It is no longer about offering smut to someone that want's it and wiping your hands clean of any wrong doing. It's about "the game", and that really is it.

                                                                                                                      Shit, I have a business plan that i've targeted the audience, crunched some numbers, and 1/3 of the idea I believe an accurate number of expected audience would generate 260K/month in billing. Totally legit and something you would write home to mom about.

                                                                                                                      But I don't really need a partner for it. It could help initially if the partner really, really knew how to market it.

                                                                                                                      The other 2/3 of the idea I peg at equally the same billing, close to 1 million per month in billing and very low, I mean low, overhead.

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                                                                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                          Living The Dream
                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                          • 19787
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mediamix
                                                                                                                          But Tubes are already making their own content.. They can do that because now they have the money. Shap is right... In 5 years paysites will be gone.
                                                                                                                          I will make you a bet that paysites will be around 20 years from now. Why? Because, in business, you need something to SELL. The tubes may partner with paysites (as some are doing now) but that is not the same as becoming or eliminating the content producers altogether (paysites).

                                                                                                                          Again, think cable tv. Sure, Fox produces its' own programming but also licenses it from other studios. But they do not 'buy out' and merge the studios or production companies. There are far too many of them. Tubes would have to buy out (or begin producing) thousands of niche paysites. Will never happen.
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                                                                                                                            • celandina
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jun 2006
                                                                                                                              • 11723
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                              I will make you a bet that paysites will be around 20 years from now. Why? Because, in business, you need something to SELL. The tubes may partner with paysites (as some are doing now) but that is not the same as becoming or eliminating the content producers altogether (paysites).

                                                                                                                              Again, think cable tv. Sure, Fox produces its' own programming but also licenses it from other studios. But they do not 'buy out' and merge the studios or production companies. There are far too many of them. Tubes would have to buy out (or begin producing) thousands of niche paysites. Will never happen.
                                                                                                                              Finally somebody who got it right.... You cannot sustain any business which just recycles the same shit ( stolen or created) . Since the beginning content was, is and will be a King... All the other stuff is just Herbalife (or Amway) of porn...

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                                                                                                                                • Shap
                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 8313
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                  I will make you a bet that paysites will be around 20 years from now. Why? Because, in business, you need something to SELL. The tubes may partner with paysites (as some are doing now) but that is not the same as becoming or eliminating the content producers altogether (paysites).

                                                                                                                                  Again, think cable tv. Sure, Fox produces its' own programming but also licenses it from other studios. But they do not 'buy out' and merge the studios or production companies. There are far too many of them. Tubes would have to buy out (or begin producing) thousands of niche paysites. Will never happen.
                                                                                                                                  Paysites started in 1997/1998. From then until now there have been very little changes to the overall model. Pay $19 to $35 a month for access to porn. It was like that in 1997 it's like that in 2016. You get videos and photos for that. Little else. Again nothing much has changed.

                                                                                                                                  Now let's look at every online business. They've all MASSIVELY changed in the past 20 years. In fact most have MASSIVELY changed in the past 2 to 5 years. Paysites can not continue as they are. They must change.

                                                                                                                                  What will happen to paysites operating exactly as they always have is going to be a gradual decline. For some it will be rapid and for others it will be slow. But the decline will happen.

                                                                                                                                  That i am 100% sure of. There is no magical comeback for the current version of what a "paysite" is.

                                                                                                                                  I think there is potential for a new generation of paysite to evolve and come out from this. The reality is more people than ever before are consuming porn. Someone has to create and produce that porn and they have to be paid for the work. How to make it all work is the magic question.

                                                                                                                                  Charging $34.99 a month for 5 updates a week is not the future of porn. That is the past. Now what is the future???

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                                                                                                                                    • Shap
                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                                                                      • 8313
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by celandina
                                                                                                                                      Finally somebody who got it right.... You cannot sustain any business which just recycles the same shit ( stolen or created) . Since the beginning content was, is and will be a King... All the other stuff is just Herbalife (or Amway) of porn...
                                                                                                                                      Fair point. But equally I can say the same about paysites. They are the same shit today as they were 10 and 20 years ago. My point is they need to step it up and evolve into something new.

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                                                                                                                                        • Shap
                                                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                                                                          • 8313
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mediamix
                                                                                                                                          But Tubes are already making their own content.. They can do that because now they have the money. Shap is right... In 5 years paysites will be gone.
                                                                                                                                          I'm not happy to say that but it's just reality. It's like Taxi drivers hoping for uber to disappear. Even if uber disappears they've changed the way we travel and taxi drivers lives will never be the way they were. Everything moves forward not backwards. Except England

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                                                                                                                                            • Shap
                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                              • May 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 8313
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by plaster
                                                                                                                                              I'm surprised you are targeting adult. The only real way of making a great deal of money in adult is by screwing someone else over, either directly or indirectly.

                                                                                                                                              None of the top money makers are really legit. It may be legal but it's, in most adult business models, unethical. It is no longer about offering smut to someone that want's it and wiping your hands clean of any wrong doing. It's about "the game", and that really is it.

                                                                                                                                              Shit, I have a business plan that i've targeted the audience, crunched some numbers, and 1/3 of the idea I believe an accurate number of expected audience would generate 260K/month in billing. Totally legit and something you would write home to mom about.

                                                                                                                                              But I don't really need a partner for it. It could help initially if the partner really, really knew how to market it.

                                                                                                                                              The other 2/3 of the idea I peg at equally the same billing, close to 1 million per month in billing and very low, I mean low, overhead.
                                                                                                                                              Feel free to hit me up if you'd like to discuss. Happy to give you my thoughts on it.

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                                                                                                                                                • Maqua
                                                                                                                                                  E.M.O
                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                                                  • 2031
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Robert and Shap would make a heck of a team
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                                                                                                                                                    • Goethe
                                                                                                                                                      So Fuckin' Bored
                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2014
                                                                                                                                                      • 1101
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                      Paysites started in 1997/1998. From then until now there have been very little changes to the overall model. Pay $19 to $35 a month for access to porn. It was like that in 1997 it's like that in 2016. You get videos and photos for that. Little else. Again nothing much has changed.

                                                                                                                                                      Now let's look at every online business. They've all MASSIVELY changed in the past 20 years. In fact most have MASSIVELY changed in the past 2 to 5 years. Paysites can not continue as they are. They must change.

                                                                                                                                                      What will happen to paysites operating exactly as they always have is going to be a gradual decline. For some it will be rapid and for others it will be slow. But the decline will happen.

                                                                                                                                                      That i am 100% sure of. There is no magical comeback for the current version of what a "paysite" is.

                                                                                                                                                      I think there is potential for a new generation of paysite to evolve and come out from this. The reality is more people than ever before are consuming porn. Someone has to create and produce that porn and they have to be paid for the work. How to make it all work is the magic question.

                                                                                                                                                      Charging $34.99 a month for 5 updates a week is not the future of porn. That is the past. Now what is the future???
                                                                                                                                                      Cams. Performers have taken the means of production into their own hands. As you say, paying for videos and photosets is old hat, however, cam performers are knocking them out from their profile pages, so there's clearly a need.

                                                                                                                                                      It would seem the key to the future is personalised, interactive porn. At the moment, cams offer this. You can find pretty much everything else on one of the big tube sites, or the million other "great new idea" generic tube sites which are churned out every day.

                                                                                                                                                      However, I don't think it'll be too long before the performers don't want to be beholden to cam companies either. I'm working on something at the moment, but it's early days.
                                                                                                                                                      yes

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                                                                                                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 56228
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                          Feel free to hit me up if you'd like to discuss. Happy to give you my thoughts on it.
                                                                                                                                                          BTW what money and resources are you offering, on a broad scale of course?


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                                                                                                                                                            • robwod
                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                              • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 2540
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Maqua
                                                                                                                                                              Robert and Shap would make a heck of a team
                                                                                                                                                              Shap's much smarter than me. And I'm too stubborn

                                                                                                                                                              That said, I think the team of Shap, mphalca and Kevin could do some unbelievable things together.

                                                                                                                                                              Shap, I'd like to toss an idea your way to consider.
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                                                                                                                                                                • Shap
                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 8313
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by robwod
                                                                                                                                                                  Shap's much smarter than me. And I'm too stubborn

                                                                                                                                                                  That said, I think the team of Shap, mphalca and Kevin could do some unbelievable things together.

                                                                                                                                                                  Shap, I'd like to toss an idea your way to consider.
                                                                                                                                                                  Sure! Email me

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                                                                                                                                                                    • robwod
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Nov 2005
                                                                                                                                                                      • 2540
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                      Sure! Email me
                                                                                                                                                                      Done, sent from my outlook account
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                                                                                                                                                                        • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2009
                                                                                                                                                                          • 19787
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Shap, if paysites are dead why do companies keep launchng them?

                                                                                                                                                                          You say 'paysites need to change' yet offer no ideas on HOW or WHAT paysites should change into. This is because (I believe) there IS no way for paysites to 'evolve'. Can there be interaction with Members from the models (like Claudie-Marie and Robbie do)? Sure, that's great for solo models. What about 'generic' or niche porn? As you said, paysites were doing this twenty years ago so I guess paysites have lasted, eh?

                                                                                                                                                                          Let's face it Shap: If you wanted to invest hundreds of thousands you could create and launch a Blacked or Fake Taxi today and it would be successful. But you don't want to go down that road. Instead you want to create another tube site. How is that innovation and change? LOL
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Colmike9
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                                                              • 7230
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                              Shap, if paysites are dead why do companies keep launchng them?

                                                                                                                                                                              You say 'paysites need to change' yet offer no ideas on HOW or WHAT paysites should change into. This is because (I believe) there IS no way for paysites to 'evolve'. Can there be interaction with Members from the models (like Claudie-Marie and Robbie do)? Sure, that's great for solo models. What about 'generic' or niche porn? As you said, paysites were doing this twenty years ago so I guess paysites have lasted, eh?

                                                                                                                                                                              Let's face it Shap: If you wanted to invest hundreds of thousands you could create and launch a Blacked or Fake Taxi today and it would be successful. But you don't want to go down that road. Instead you want to create another tube site. How is that innovation and change? LOL
                                                                                                                                                                              I'm pretty sure that Fake Taxi guy went from tubes to paysites..
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 56228
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                                                                                                                                                                  Shap, if paysites are dead why do companies keep launchng them?

                                                                                                                                                                                  You say 'paysites need to change' yet offer no ideas on HOW or WHAT paysites should change into. This is because (I believe) there IS no way for paysites to 'evolve'. Can there be interaction with Members from the models (like Claudie-Marie and Robbie do)? Sure, that's great for solo models. What about 'generic' or niche porn? As you said, paysites were doing this twenty years ago so I guess paysites have lasted, eh?

                                                                                                                                                                                  Let's face it Shap: If you wanted to invest hundreds of thousands you could create and launch a Blacked or Fake Taxi today and it would be successful. But you don't want to go down that road. Instead you want to create another tube site. How is that innovation and change? LOL
                                                                                                                                                                                  Most tubes charge now for decent quality content and/or full clips, they are glorifed paysites.


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                                                                                                                                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Colmike7
                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm pretty sure that Fake Taxi guy went from tubes to paysites..
                                                                                                                                                                                      Yup - and the team behind Blacked and Tushy run Porntube. According to Shap they must be dinosaurs. LOL

                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Bladewire
                                                                                                                                                                                      Most tubes charge now for decent quality content and/or full clips, they are glorifed paysites.
                                                                                                                                                                                      Exactly. But tubes cannot go into the production biz full-time so instead they 'partner' with content producers who supply them with what they need most: content. And still that's not enough! Which is why you see older content on the tubes mixed in with the new. Take away the new completely and....
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Roald
                                                                                                                                                                                          SecretFriends.com
                                                                                                                                                                                          • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 27910
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Shap is correct the current pay site model is not the future. Sure we do very well right now but you can be damn sure we are always looking into new ways of selling it. Content will be produced yes but the there will be and should be a different way to monetize it.


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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Colmike9
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 7230
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              What about making paysite apps that you have to pay for to see everything and that the only possible way to view it is through the app?.. (Desktops can use apps, too, just sayin')
                                                                                                                                                                                              Very high quality and semi niche, though..
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • jimmycooper
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • May 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 4016
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Shap
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Paysites started in 1997/1998. From then until now there have been very little changes to the overall model. Pay $19 to $35 a month for access to porn. It was like that in 1997 it's like that in 2016. You get videos and photos for that. Little else. Again nothing much has changed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Now let's look at every online business. They've all MASSIVELY changed in the past 20 years. In fact most have MASSIVELY changed in the past 2 to 5 years. Paysites can not continue as they are. They must change.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  What will happen to paysites operating exactly as they always have is going to be a gradual decline. For some it will be rapid and for others it will be slow. But the decline will happen.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  That i am 100% sure of. There is no magical comeback for the current version of what a "paysite" is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I think there is potential for a new generation of paysite to evolve and come out from this. The reality is more people than ever before are consuming porn. Someone has to create and produce that porn and they have to be paid for the work. How to make it all work is the magic question.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Charging $34.99 a month for 5 updates a week is not the future of porn. That is the past. Now what is the future???
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I used to say that the only way I'd ever want to own paysite would be if it was best in class at something. Because if it's not best in class why even bother. Now I'm not so sure I'd even want a best in class paysite. It's a such a boring, limited model way past it's expiration date.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • The Porn Nerd
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2009
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                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Roald
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Shap is correct the current pay site model is not the future. Sure we do very well right now but you can be damn sure we are always looking into new ways of selling it. Content will be produced yes but the there will be and should be a different way to monetize it.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      How? Like Shap you offer nothing in terms of HOW.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      So what is the future? Interactive porn? VR? Sure - but like with 4K it will take a long time for the masses to accept it and become the norm. And still, in the end, it's just pics and videos (albeit extremely high end).

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Either something is free or it isn't so how do we monetize it differently? Micro-payments? Pay-per-minute? Added value (bulk pricing)? ALL these ways and more exist now. No sorry, everyone says 'in the future things will be different..." but no one has any reasonable, practical ideas or solutions as to HOW thngs will be different. Let's face it: we have reached the limits of content delivery. Maybe robots or holograms will be the Next Big Thing.
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