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Read dig's response to my response. It's comical at best.

don't be screaming for help already :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Whatever you have to believe to keep a clear conscience. No use arguing any further. You believe what you want and I'll believe what I believe. My opinions will never change. Yours likely won't either.

no, yours never will because you get your opinions out of a conservative set of beliefs you're 'supposed' to have. If you people really believed all this shit deep down in your most basic character, you wouldn't be in this business. You just parrot what you hear.

Ok, for anyone who missed it, here's the line of posts I'm talking about. Surely I'm not the only one laughing my ass off.

Some "tyrannical state" can't stop an abortion but it can stop me from eating veal.

Hehe. Ok. If you say so.

Yes, we are living proof

HEY that was my 1,000th post!!! :glugglug

If babies didn't *love* being aborted I'm sure they would complain.

:1orglaugh

I see. So you get to draw all the paralells you'd like, but when I do it back.. its syllogism time.

hahahahahaha

I wasn't drawing a paralell in the first place. Precedent is a valid legal argument. I was simply showing that there is legal precedent for justifying the ending of a life for less than "extreme" purposes.

And your citation for that legalism is? I might add that we can take DNA samples from male sperm, we can invade their psyches with court-ordered psych testing and psychological analysis (people who have not been convicted of any crime, BTW). Besides, if you can order someone to pick up a rifle and risk their lives at war, I find the distinction between inside and outside the body a little frail.

A state can set minimum standards of decent treatment of animals in the food industry, yes.

you have a problem with that Sly? Let's hear it!

it's called RESPECT for your fellow human being and their right to make their own decisions independently of you sticking your big nose in their affairs. you're not particularly intelligent. What makes you think you have a right to make a decision for her?

Shall I dig up some abortion pictures?

Very nice treatment there, oh yes.

Would you really like me to?

I wasn't even going to bring this up because it certainly isn't my main concern or the best argument, but if you're "protesting" "decent treatment of animals"...

yeah Sly, why don't you just go to http://www.armyofgod.com and grab them for us? You can also hit http://www.godhatesfags.com on the way, they have some good pix.

Go hang out with like minded people.

maybe I could dig up some pix of open heart surgery, that's pretty ugly too.

WE SHOULD OUTLAW IT!!!

Quote of the week:
From Sunday, April 1, 2001 A.D. New York Post

Lynne Slepian (Wife of babykilling abortionist Barnett Slepian)
speaking of James Kopp:

" I'd like to see him dead..."
"I'd like to see a slow, painful death ..."

Like the slow, painful death your abortionist husband caused innocent
children when he murdered them? Barnett Slepian caused children to
have a slow, painful death when he used his suction machine to rip
their helpless little bodies all to pieces.
http://www.armyofgod.com

they know how to take care of us babykilling abortionists over there!

That was a pretty ridiculous argument. You think that because I shoot photos of naked girls I can't possibly be against abortion? I don't see the connection. How old are you? That's a serious question.

Does shooting "nudie pics" also mean I'm for legalizing drugs, hugging trees, saving whales, protesting wars, etc?

No... I happen to believe abortion is wrong. It's that simple. I have a little boy that means more to me than anything in the world. I can't fathom why someone would want to do anything to steal the life from another human. I understand fear that some women must have when they find out they're pregnant. I also understand that some people aren't cut out to be a parnent and don't want to be a parent. But I can't understand why someone would want to end human life.

As I said, I won't change my mind. You likely won't change yours. Great! That's the wonderful thing about life... we can disagree.

Sorry dont see how this fits unless you are arguing against Saddam's regime, as no one ordered the ALL VOLUNTEER ARMY FO THE UNITEd STATES, to pickup a rifle... they did that already on thier own decision or did you miss that fact?

A woman has a right to do whatever is best in her situation that she decides, or the fact that we all masturbate killing thousands of potential babies should be illegal too you boneheads.

Ok everyone, this is what "decent treated beings" look like:
http://www.abortiontv.com/images/BabyOnSide.JPG
http://www.abortiontv.com/images/SaltPoison2.gif
http://www.abortiontv.com/images/Fetus-PartialBirth.jpg
http://www.abortiontv.com/images/11WeekAbortion.jpg

But hey, do what you like. Just don't stop me from eating veal.

Think. There is no compelling health reason for someone to eat veal. No one is going to suffer adverse physical and psychological consequences because they don't get their veal.

With abortion, the taking of the life is justified by the fact that the life in question was a parasite which would have caused the mother considerable physical and emotional damage had she been forced to carry it to term.

In other words, for your analogy to be valid, the veal in question would have to be parasitizing some womans body to stay alive.

The State has a compelling interest in protecting the health of its female citizen. It does not have a compelling interest in your veal.

I don't think veal should be illegal, or foie gras for that matter, but the parallel you are trying to draw is absurd.

is that what you're reduced to Sly? you're easier than I thought. How long til we see you standing at the side of the road with one of those pix on a big sign?

go torture some animals.

you shoot nude pix, make sites about fucking and sucking and all that good shit and then you wanna try to come off as a good republican pro-lifer?

I'd say that makes you a hypocrite at best, a schitzophrenic at worst.

The real arguement is what rights does a fetus have? Is it a person, does it have the right to not be killed?

Now there are some people who believe that human life is a precious gift. I'll tell you right now there's no way in hell I would want a girl to have an abortion with my kid. No fucking way.

The pro-death side however does make a compelling case for the fact that some people are completely worthless. Poster children for their own cause.

I killed my dogs tonight. I'm about to throw 'em on the grill. Wanna come over?

I fail to see the correlation between shooting nude pictures and getting an abortion.

Care to explain? I'm stupid, remember?

So all Republicans are pro life? Not. All democrats are pro choice? Wrong again.

Do you think everyone falls into stereotypical categories? What's the highest level of education you've completed? Your ignorance is amazing.

nah, I can't stand lowlifes who are cruel to animals.

a B.A., Einstein. I wouldn't criticize MY intellect if I were you. Pro-lifers have been proven to be 25 i.q. points, seven teeth and two shoes below pro-choicers on average.

And by the way, I'm against the death penalty too.... kinda throws a wrench into your stereotype, now doesn't it?

Great. I didn't really want you coming over anyway.

But hey, I don't consider you a lowlife. You're perfectly entitled to your opinion. No problems here.

no. just means you're not totally worthless.

Can you please point me to the study that shows this IQ difference??

Hey, so am I. Amazing how we can break the stereotype.

seriously. I have no interest in spending any time with anyone who lacks the basic human characteristic of sympathy. They always turn out to be an asshole in the end.

So what's your IQ then Einstein?

Hey I just said that's fine. No problems here.

You show hypocrisy here, my friend. I show consistency in respecting life of all forms by being both pro-life and anti-death penalty. You think killing unborn children is okay, but killing murderers is not.

Show some consistency. I respect all life.

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I wonder if it hurts when the baby is stabbed to death.

What a waste.

I don't have a problem with killing murderers per se, I just don't want to lower myself to sharing their way of thinking, and it has no deterrent effect.

There is one good thing about this thread, no one has tried the "It could have grown up to cure cancer!" argument.

A prolifer outside the Daly City BART station got a mouthful of coke all over his new loafers the first time I heard that. There aren't too many things that send my diaphragm into spontaneous convulsions.. but that was one of them.

have you ever watch an abortion in person? last time I was with a girl and she got an abortion she was the only person allowed in the back with the doctor. so please tell us where you actually witnessed a live abortion in person.

"It" could have grown up to be the next Osama Bin Laden for all I care. "It" should get that chance.

No it shouldn't!

See how easy pro-life logic is? :winkwink:

Dude,
you need help

Actually in 1990 I was allowed back with a 30 year old woman who I got pregnant while I was 18. This was in Chicago at the time, so I have witnessed a live abortion as it was going and I still respect the will of the woman making the decision even now.

Please elaborate on that statement. My simple mind can't see a point to it.

Just 1 question for you pro-death guys, would you support your mother having an abortion while she was pregnant with you?