except half of the 52% were voting for "no more illegals" & not being tiny England.

Yes dick head, stop your ignorance! Already a petition has been drawn to vote again on another referendum.

Many of the voters were stupid & didn't understand what the EU, they voted against immigrants.

And with respect to "GFY morons"... isn't that just stupid to raise a comment about me & GFY, when this forum's filled with morons. I suppose your comment, could raise the same fact with allowing a country to vote, like, duh, stupid. Allow a load of idiots to vote & then you end up with a stupid final :2 cents:

Both Gary & I wanted to leave the government to make these decisions & we'd have wanted to stay. I'm waiting for the next vote, or will the government just say "hey people, we're staying in anyway" "Thanks for voting, but now you know, we do really control what goes on anyway"...

scare mongery, money & more money = governments :2 cents:

Partly yes... this housing problem isn't there since yesterday.

Of course it puts more pressure on your housing...
but is it a migration problem or is it a housing problem?
Stop letting immigrants in and you'll still have a housing problem.... remove them all and you will still have a housing problem... Immigrants only expose your housing problem more... but in the core you have a housing problem....

Your problem isn't available land... (your countryside was allready doomed the minute the UK kicked in the Industrial Revolution... do you want growth or do you want a countryside?).... The problem also isn't a working force to build them...
I think there are people enough looking for a job.

I have a friend who tried to develop real estate in Britain 8 years ago.
After 2 years and a lot of money down the toilet he simply gave up...
It is nearly IMPOSSIBLE to build something in the UK...

It's perverted and disgusting to see how housing-markets all across Europe are being manipulated... Do you think it's normal that at least 2/3 of once income goes to the payment for the roof over his/her fucking head? A roof over your head.... a fucking basic need of living! As long as some people are making big bucks from that basic need... there will be a housing problem. The buble is allready starting to grow again.

What is the biggest part of spending of a family's monthly net income? Yes... the payment for the house... Not the EU is fucking with people's spendable income... it are the people who gain from shortage.

Yes the market price.... THE MARKET PRICE...:helpme
Problem is not peoples income... problem is MARKET PRICE by SHORTAGE
The chicken and the egg.... And you want to raise peoples income:1orglaugh
And then people can get a higher mortgage... but still can't buy a house because shortage is still there and higher mortgages will increase housing prices more...

In Spain you'll find 2 million bank-owned houses standing there EMPTY... doing nothing...
Why are they not on the market? What are they doing there standing EMPTY? Keeping the prices up of course:1orglaugh



Tadaaaa.... So you agree with me that the housing problem is a housing problem? and not an immigration problem? That it is all about profit manipulation?

I'm sorry... UK can't get out of debt...

absolutely on the money & bang on right... apart from, I'm sorry, the whole world is in debt :2 cents:

If the GBP continues to crash so will Trump and his isolationist ideas;

Former Republican US Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson just endorsed Hillary (eeks).
This adds to the list of Republican former officials, Brent Snowcroft and Richard Armitage. The Anybody But Trump movement is gaining legs.

The British may get to keep the "stupid title" that they just won with their Brexit that they claimed was firmly in USA hands :1orglaugh

George Soros and the Banksters just made a killing off Brexit. And you Brits are high 5^ each other? And I thought us Americans were stupid ...

oh yes? What next vote?

yes, and?

Democracy won. Stick your immigrants up your arse

A study found that most leave supporters had the following characteristics:

- old
- poorly educated
- low average income level
- low possession of passports

In America these people would be voting for Trump!

Please wake up people, we don't want the world to go backwards.

Voters cannot request a second referendum because they did not like the outcome of the result, however more than two million Brits have registered their support to a petition calling for the government to implement a new rule.

That rule would be that if the remain - or the leave - vote is less that 60 per cent based on a turnout of less than 75 per cent of the population, there should be a second referendum.

&

A parliamentary vote could put an end to the Brexit - which one MP has said was "an advisory, non-binding referendum".

David Lammy, the MP for Tottenham, made an impassioned plea as a petition for a second referendum became the most popular in parliamentary history.

He Tweeted: "Wake up. We do not have to do this. We can stop this madness through a vote in Parliament. Our sovereign Parliament needs to vote on whether we should exit the EU.

It's happened. We voted. It's done!

People should accept and move on.

Famous GFY quote: adapt or die.

Amazing how when people don't get what they want, they would be more than happy for a government to totally ignore a vote result, and do the opposite of what was actually voted for by it's people.

Laughable really...

Gary Gary Gary :1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

Yes the UK should have. It should have raised taxes so the could have afforded to build house for the 500,000 arriving every year. They should have increased taxes to increase funding for the NHS, Education, Police, and all the service people demand. And enough to meet the new arrivals who can't afford to pay for their own needs.

I'm talking about the Government borrowing money. you do realise that the rents most can afford will make the chances of the loans being repaid by those renting inpossible.

So we concrete more green fields.

Exactly it's unsustainable unless people vote to pay more taxes to meet the needs of those who can't afford. Adding 500,000 people per year to the numbers of needy is going to make it even more unsustainable.

So someone like Junker would be better. :upsidedow

That's the stupidest statement yet. He would take your money and give it to Greece. Have you seen the debt his country is in?

Absolutely. Because mass migration more than anything has fucked them. They voted the Tories because Cameron promised to cut migration. This is just the beginning of a mass movement. Next GE Labour is dead in the water as more of their constituencies will Vote UKIP. The Labour Party betrayed it's voters as can be seen in the results.

That's something that may happen. Politicians are very much in favour of the EU, the people in Europe are very much split or against. The problem is the EU was born out of the Common Market, which was an excellent thing, it's about ruling Europe from the centre. The vast majority of Europeans do not want that. They only want the Common Market. So is it about what the politicians want or the people?

Sturgeon is pissing into the wind. Scots can now see how fragile their economy is. Without oil revenues booming, they can't hope to fund the spending Sturgeon wants.

Scotland should be made to repay their debt to the Treasury before they vote on whether to leave or stay.

By your reckoning, half of Europe arwe morons. Because half of Europe, maybe more, want out of the EU and back to the Common Market.

Yes it's the problem of uncontrolled mass migration. Study the figures or how many are being built, how many should be built, the cost of the gap and the effect of losing all the migrants living on benefits. Exposing is pointing out a situation. The word you were looking for is creating. Study the data.

Most of those factories are in the Far East. Could you be more clueless? Growth doesn't come from mass migration, if it did the UK wouldn't be in trouble.

I have a friend who develops real estate in Britain. He has no problems.

Not here in Czech. We haven't a problem, as the population is stable. Look at where the problem is and relate it to population growth.

The only thing pushing the housing boom is the rising income levels of a few here.

Yes a Mortgage always was a large part of a families income. In the UK and other countries, it's no longer a problem for most people. Their dream of owning a house no longer exists.

Are you drinking?

So the people who need houses in the UK, should buy one in Spain. That's it you're either drunk of insane. Not even clueless people would be this bad. I'm done debating this with you.

I fully agree with you. It's because these people have been hit the hardest.

- old - Since the Common Market morphed into the EU those over 40 have seen how much the UK has changed for the worse.

- poorly educated - Yes with so many of them now forced out of jobs or having to accept lower wages. They're pissed off with the EU and the Government.

- low average income level - See above.

- low possession of passports - Yes they can no longer afford to travel abroad.

And as you see this is now a larger percentage than the ones who running the country. And most certainly the Labour Party.

Yes they would vote for Trump, because their world is already going backwards.

If the politicians turn their backs on the people. What next?

The EU is finished once another country holds a referendum.

Brexit was the first step towards getting our democracy back. Only a moron would say a trade deal between Europeans Nations is bad. What is bad is a common currency without a central Exchequer controlling spending, borrowing, debts, taxes, etc. Freedom of movement is great. Freedom to move and live off others is bad. Schengen is good if the barriers to non-Schengen are strong and one leader doesn't invite millions to walk across those borders.

When a Central government starts to change rules for the sake of changing them and creating work. We see the whole thing is insane.

Nicola Sturgeon is really starting to get on my tits too. Instead of waffling on about independence, she should be telling England she wants every penny that we have been sending to the EU to be Scotlands money now. Use it to put a massive apprenticeship program in place for Scottish kids. Use it to build houses for the Scottish war veterans that are currently sleeping on our streets. Nah not her. I hope she does call another Scottish referendum cause when she loses it, she will need to quit. The EU accounts for 15% of the worlds population. Lets get out there and crack on with trade deals with the other 85%. Get the Australian point system in place to get a grip on immigration. Then put a law in place that large businesses like factories, big building companies etc have to employ say 60% - 70% of people who were born in that country. Im pretty sure Australia do something along those lines to protect jobs for people born there but i cant find anything about it online

I thought that Blair was the most self-serving politician possible but that Sturgeon cunt really does top him.

I actually backed her and voted to leave the UK in our independence vote. Way i seen it, we have Brussels and west-minister dictating to us, may as well leave one then we can focus about getting out of the other one. No way in hell she will get Scottish independence this time. Scotland would have to join the train wreck that is the Euro currency plus borders between England. Shes screwed and would be as well as getting on with other things

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ni...Ef_onG5GRQM%3A

Wee Jimmy Crankie

so if we allow the country citizens to make all decisions, you think it would be run well :1orglaugh :thumbsup

Most people are clueless :2 cents:


Only mistake here was the government saying, hey people, we will let you decide :helpme

You're in Scotland...

You didn't get what you wanted & now you're planning on leaving Great Britain again, because after the last referendum Scotland had, the one main ruling that kept Scotland in the UK was, we stayed in the EU.

Ireland too :2 cents:

Yes i can imagine...

I was allready done with you... you can't read... and your conclusions are made on a kindergarten-level.

But you know... you are the ALL-knowing Paul Markham...
You're not only an authority on porn; marketing and sales...
you are also an authority on politics; you're an economic mastermind so bright
that the UK government would LOVE to hire you... Unfortunately for them you are retired
living in a low cost-of-living-country as an economic refugee...

You are an authority on history and philosofy... You are an authority in so many fields that England should ask you to become coach of their national soccer team...

You simply have the answers to all world problems... it is a crime against humanity that you are not the president of the WHO... It is a waste of money that you are not in charge of the IMF. No wait... you should be running the FED!:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents:

You have completely lost all logic.

Worst yet, you personally attack someone with an alternate view because you lack the critical thinking and language skills to debate on topic.

In our community we have 98% things in common, in our little fishbowl here. Remember none of us are the enemy, but for the thieving scamming bloodsucking infiltrators that steal what we create for their pennies on the dollar poverty world profit 😡

Read again... I'm not the one who canceled the debate... It was Mister Markham himself, (but not before he dropped some more random nonsense... He's old... didn't have the energy anymore for a next round but did want to have a last word... that's weak......) whom in fact doesn't show respect for other people's view... when he's acting his "Mister know it all you are clueless-tone"...

Don't start about logic and critical thinking... nigga please...

BTW I'm the one here with an alternative view... He voted Brexit so he is as mainstream as one can get...

One has to have something in order to lose it. :1orglaugh

why should ruling from a position matter, isn't it about security, logic & care...

creating a comfortable living with no fear of loss. The EU gave this compared to now, with fears of higher taxes, loss on the ftse & I now hear, some MPs, especially UKIP could be pushing for the overturn of the NHS :helpme

With that statement you don't belong in europe any more, isn't there some 3rd world country somewhere we can put you and your anti-democratic ideas.

what has 3rd world countries & Europe to do with my feelings that I wouldn't want some drug addict making huge decisions with regards to the country have to do with?

It's idiots like you Drax that make me want governments to make decisions & not the idiots that live in the country :helpme

Yes, that was an astonishing post, beyond belief!

Currently the UK has to build a new house every four minutes all day, every day just to cope with current levels of immigration over there. People saying the housing crisis has nothing to do with immigration must not know how supply and demand works.

Both on the pitch and politically!

I meant the centre of Europe.

It would be great if the EU had created a comfortable living with no fear of loss for most of its citizens. Truth is it has done the opposite.

Britain has two choices, raise taxes to pay for the increased demands of the population, or face austerity and cuts. There has been no rise in the economy or taxes to pay for the growing demands.

"Migrants Contribute" is a lie. You and I do contribute. No one on benefits does. Since joining the EU there are more on benefits. A low skilled migrant can only get a job by putting a native out of work. If they can't afford to buy a house or rent one 100% so a new one can be built. They need subsidising by the rest.

Every 4-5 migrants need a house to live in. £200,000. Start from there to calculate how much they need to earn to even start contributing.

It was about your statement of not asking the people for their vote that made him say 3rd world country.

What has the EU done for Europeans?

Do the maths of the cost and see why the UK dare not do that. £80 billion on a railway is waste of money.

The EU is nations together. Next should have been United World, not a step back to mini Britain. If you ask anyone in i.e hertfordshire, if they want to be part of say Manchester, where violence, gangs & other ruthless tactics concur, most would say no. So does this mean, if we left it to the nation to vote to separate the country by counties, most would say yes.

The hate crimes that have began already prove that a lot of the voters were just ignorant racists. Because of the nasty individuals, i've come to think "Fuck Britain", i'm glad I'm in Spain :2 cents:

what an easy thing to say from behind your keyboard...
what an easy way to end a debate... just by saying "idiot" or
"you don't get it" or "One has to have something in order to lose it."

Hope you die off soon so I can wake up in a world with one less idiot....