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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818
    #1

    The very obvious thing the Orlando shooting should tell us..

    What is that?

    It's the fact that the NSA mass spying is absolutely useless and will never stop a terrorist attack.

    This guy raised every red flag possible, yet still all that invasion of our privacy and the mass spying failed to do anything at all. This case if any possible proves that the spying is useless when it comes to terrorism and can only be used after the fact the same way obtaining traditional court sanctioned warrants could do.

    This guy was reported to the FBI at least 2 times maybe 3 times. One time when he attempted to bu body armor and wanted to buy a large amount of ammo.

    He was also kicked out of prison guard training and they even referenced the Virginia tech shooter as having striking similarities.

    His dad supported the Taliban for fucks sake, yet none of this was enough to be noticed by the NSA it seems..

    Yet mark my words they will tell us over and over again how valuable the spying is to stopping terrorism and need more ability to spy.. To date, not a single terrorist attack has been stopped by domestic spying..
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
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    • Rochard
      Jägermeister Test Pilot
      • Dec 2001
      • 75733
      #2
      I agree.

      Anyone can pick up a firearm and go nuts. And no one will see it coming. And there is nothing we can do to protect anyone; There are just too many targets.
      Herschel Savage
      Brooklyn, NY

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        • Bladewire
          StraightBro
          • Aug 2003
          • 56228
          #3
          Mass shootings reinforce support for wars overseas.

          They have "allegedly" stopped many terrorist attacks. Too high right now to SOURCE WTF am I here?


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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942
              #4
              Originally posted by Rochard
              I agree.

              Anyone can pick up a firearm and go nuts. And no one will see it coming. And there is nothing we can do to protect anyone; There are just too many targets.
              So the answer is to do nothing.

              The answer is to do more than they are doing now. So if Americans insist on their freedom to buy as many guns as they wish. Increase tax on guns and give it to the people charged with protecting you from gun nuts.



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                • crockett
                  in a van by the river
                  • May 2003
                  • 76818
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Paul Markham
                  So the answer is to do nothing.

                  The answer is to do more than they are doing now. So if Americans insist on their freedom to buy as many guns as they wish. Increase tax on guns and give it to the people charged with protecting you from gun nuts.
                  The answer is the spying and invasion of our privacy not to mention violation of our rights stops nothing and should be ended.
                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                    • mineistaken
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                      • Apr 2007
                      • 29656
                      #6
                      One more illogical argument by crockett.

                      Nobody is saying that NSA spying will prevent ALL attacks.

                      The FACT is that there were less attacks than it would have been without spying.

                      Spying is supposed to DECREASE the amount of attacks, not make the amount ZERO.

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                        • Sly
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                          • Sep 2004
                          • 31376
                          #7
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                            • Joshua G
                              dumb libs love censorship
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 8198
                              #8
                              crockett, on this matter, you & i agree.

                              its basically impossible to know when someone goes from mentally ill - but peaceful, & suddenly cracks. im certain the FBI had concerns, but short of putting someone in jail just because they are mentally ill?

                              on that basis you would be in jail in about 5 seconds.

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                                • Sarn
                                  WW3
                                  • Sep 2015
                                  • 12405
                                  #9
                                  run crockett run
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                                    • ilnjscb
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                                      • Jun 2009
                                      • 8972
                                      #10
                                      100% agree - those incompetent wastrels and their ilk exist merely to enrich themselves

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                                        • Sarn
                                          WW3
                                          • Sep 2015
                                          • 12405
                                          #11

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                                            • crockett
                                              in a van by the river
                                              • May 2003
                                              • 76818
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by mineistaken
                                              One more illogical argument by crockett.

                                              Nobody is saying that NSA spying will prevent ALL attacks.

                                              The FACT is that there were less attacks than it would have been without spying.

                                              Spying is supposed to DECREASE the amount of attacks, not make the amount ZERO.
                                              The NSA spying has not stopped a single attack.. They have been forced to publicly admit this fact
                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                • Sarn
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                                                  • 12405
                                                  #13
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                                                    • SilentKnight
                                                      Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                      • 24818
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      What is that?

                                                      It's the fact that the NSA mass spying is absolutely useless and will never stop a terrorist attack.

                                                      This guy raised every red flag possible, yet still all that invasion of our privacy and the mass spying failed to do anything at all. This case if any possible proves that the spying is useless when it comes to terrorism and can only be used after the fact the same way obtaining traditional court sanctioned warrants could do.

                                                      This guy was reported to the FBI at least 2 times maybe 3 times. One time when he attempted to bu body armor and wanted to buy a large amount of ammo.

                                                      He was also kicked out of prison guard training and they even referenced the Virginia tech shooter as having striking similarities.

                                                      His dad supported the Taliban for fucks sake, yet none of this was enough to be noticed by the NSA it seems..

                                                      Yet mark my words they will tell us over and over again how valuable the spying is to stopping terrorism and need more ability to spy.. To date, not a single terrorist attack has been stopped by domestic spying..

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                                                        • SilentKnight
                                                          Megan Fox's fluffer
                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                          • 24818
                                                          #15
                                                          One of the truly unnerving things is even if you know someone who fits the profile of someone who might go postal and wipe out a group of people - and you notify police about your concerns...police won't do a damn thing about it.

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                                                            • dyna mo
                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                              • 68184
                                                              #16
                                                              If he raised every red flag possible, then the spying part worked. It's the lack of sensible gun legislation that allowed the terrorist to attack like he did.

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                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                  • 56228
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                                                  The NSA spying has not stopped a single attack.. They have been forced to publicly admit this fact
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                                                                    • mikesouth
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                                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                                      • 6334
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Yu make a good point...Now ask yourself

                                                                      Given what you just wrote do you REALLY think we are properly vetting the muslims coming into this country? Dont paint me a Trump supporter but Ray Charles could see a problem here....
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                                                                        • Deej
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                                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                                          • 24386
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                          Yu make a good point...Now ask yourself

                                                                          Given what you just wrote do you REALLY think we are properly vetting the muslims coming into this country? Dont paint me a Trump supporter but Ray Charles could see a problem here....
                                                                          I read that he was born and raised in the us... Are you referring to his family before him?

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                                                                            • Hannes
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                                                                              #20
                                                                              true, security nowadays means absolutely nothing anymore.
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                                                                                • mikesouth
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                                                                                  • Jun 2003
                                                                                  • 6334
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by Deej
                                                                                  I read that he was born and raised in the us... Are you referring to his family before him?
                                                                                  Pay attention would ya? It has nothing to do with the orlando shooter and everything to do with the governments inability to see these things coming
                                                                                  Mike South

                                                                                  It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                                                    • crockett
                                                                                      in a van by the river
                                                                                      • May 2003
                                                                                      • 76818
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                      Yu make a good point...Now ask yourself

                                                                                      Given what you just wrote do you REALLY think we are properly vetting the muslims coming into this country? Dont paint me a Trump supporter but Ray Charles could see a problem here....
                                                                                      Obviously there is a issue with a select group of Muslims just the same as there is a issue with a select group of home grown Christians..

                                                                                      However, how do you do anything about either and not violate our constitutional rights? It's a bad idea to start a trend of saying hey we don't like this group because of X reason so let's treat them different.

                                                                                      Doing that opens up the window to even greater discrimination which could easily spread.

                                                                                      Now on the other hand, I would have zero complaints of deporting people who show they have bad intentions.. Like his dad for instance who openly supports the Taliban.. His ass should be deported yesterday.
                                                                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
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                                                                                          • Jun 2010
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                                                                                          #23
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                                                                                            • noshit
                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                              • Dec 2001
                                                                                              • 1582
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                              What is that?

                                                                                              It's the fact that the NSA mass spying is absolutely useless and will never stop a terrorist attack.

                                                                                              This guy raised every red flag possible, yet still all that invasion of our privacy and the mass spying failed to do anything at all. This case if any possible proves that the spying is useless when it comes to terrorism and can only be used after the fact the same way obtaining traditional court sanctioned warrants could do.

                                                                                              This guy was reported to the FBI at least 2 times maybe 3 times. One time when he attempted to bu body armor and wanted to buy a large amount of ammo.

                                                                                              He was also kicked out of prison guard training and they even referenced the Virginia tech shooter as having striking similarities.

                                                                                              His dad supported the Taliban for fucks sake, yet none of this was enough to be noticed by the NSA it seems..

                                                                                              Yet mark my words they will tell us over and over again how valuable the spying is to stopping terrorism and need more ability to spy.. To date, not a single terrorist attack has been stopped by domestic spying..

                                                                                              I can't believe it... somebody waking up

                                                                                              .

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                                                                                                • crockett
                                                                                                  in a van by the river
                                                                                                  • May 2003
                                                                                                  • 76818
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by noshit
                                                                                                  I can't believe it... somebody waking up

                                                                                                  .
                                                                                                  I've always condemned the NSA spying.. you were just too busy calling me a liberal to notice.
                                                                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                                                                      Too old to care
                                                                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                                                                      • 52942
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                      The answer is the spying and invasion of our privacy not to mention violation of our rights stops nothing and should be ended.
                                                                                                      So if a policeman fails to catch a bank robber, should the police be disbanded?

                                                                                                      The logical answer to this problem is to stop anyone ever suspected of being involved in crime. From buying guns. As I said it was the logical answer, so has no place in thegun debate.



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                                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                          If he raised every red flag possible, then the spying part worked. It's the lack of sensible gun legislation that allowed the terrorist to attack like he did.


                                                                                                          Stop being logical over the gun debate. It upsets those who insist on being illogical.



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                                                                                                            • Paul Markham
                                                                                                              Too old to care
                                                                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                                                                              • 52942
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                                              Pay attention would ya? It has nothing to do with the orlando shooter and everything to do with the governments inability to see these things coming
                                                                                                              This is the truth. Muslims hate Jews, Jews hate Muslims. It's a racial thing.

                                                                                                              The US supports Israel while Israel steals land from Muslims. The US Government bombs Muslims.

                                                                                                              As you say inability to see what's coming.



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                                                                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                  • 52942
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                  Obviously there is a issue with a select group of Muslims just the same as there is a issue with a select group of home grown Christians..

                                                                                                                  However, how do you do anything about either and not violate our constitutional rights? It's a bad idea to start a trend of saying hey we don't like this group because of X reason so let's treat them different.

                                                                                                                  Doing that opens up the window to even greater discrimination which could easily spread.

                                                                                                                  Now on the other hand, I would have zero complaints of deporting people who show they have bad intentions.. Like his dad for instance who openly supports the Taliban.. His ass should be deported yesterday.


                                                                                                                  There's the problem. Without surveillance how do people charged with protecting you from crazies have any chance of winning?

                                                                                                                  Research how Americans supported McCarthy and his kangaroo courts. Or the oppression of people based on their colour.

                                                                                                                  The problem here is clear. This guy should never have been allowed to own a gun.



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                                                                                                                    • sandman!
                                                                                                                      Icq: 14420613
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                      • 15431
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      I have 0 problems with the taliban should I be deported ? Lol

                                                                                                                      Fuck the bullshit media anti taliban bullshit your an idiot if you give a shit about the taliban


                                                                                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                                                                                      Obviously there is a issue with a select group of Muslims just the same as there is a issue with a select group of home grown Christians..

                                                                                                                      However, how do you do anything about either and not violate our constitutional rights? It's a bad idea to start a trend of saying hey we don't like this group because of X reason so let's treat them different.

                                                                                                                      Doing that opens up the window to even greater discrimination which could easily spread.

                                                                                                                      Now on the other hand, I would have zero complaints of deporting people who show they have bad intentions.. Like his dad for instance who openly supports the Taliban.. His ass should be deported yesterday.
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                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by sandman!
                                                                                                                          I have 0 problems with the taliban should I be deported ? Lol

                                                                                                                          Fuck the bullshit media anti taliban bullshit your an idiot if you give a shit about the taliban
                                                                                                                          Yea, I mean it's not like the guy's son shot 100 people for the same beliefs of the Taliban or other religious crack pots like them.
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                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                              • 68184
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by mikesouth
                                                                                                                              Pay attention would ya? It has nothing to do with the orlando shooter and everything to do with the governments inability to see these things coming
                                                                                                                              he is the one paying attention. it has everything to do with the orlando terrorist. you seem to think homegrown terrorism takes a back seat to foreign terrorism. it doesn't.

                                                                                                                              heads up: a homegrown terrorist just committed the biggest terrorist attack on US since 9/11.

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                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                  ...

                                                                                                                                  heads up: a homegrown terrorist just committed the biggest terrorist attack on US since 9/11.
                                                                                                                                  When an American Citizen -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen
                                                                                                                                  Mateen was born Omar Mir Seddique[1] on November 16, 1986[10] in New Hyde Park, New York, to Afghan parents. His father, Mir Seddique Mateen, is a Pashtun[13] who emigrated in the 1980s and is an alleged supporter of the Taliban.
                                                                                                                                  The Carter and Reagan administrations were allied with the Taliban Mujahideen as a component of the Cold War with the Soviets. So, we fucked ourselves -- didn't we?

                                                                                                                                  We should just leave the ME -- so should the other governments of the world. We should ban weapons sales, period. Their way is fight until we all die -- it has been that way since day 1. Fuck the Messiah, Second Coming the Return of the Prophet -- it's all bullshit that leads to death You cannot ban religious belief for reason humans seem genetically predisposed to it. This is the reasonable alternative for sane and secular man.

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                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                      When an American Citizen -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen


                                                                                                                                      The Carter and Reagan administrations were allied with the Taliban Mujahideen as a component of the Cold War with the Soviets. So, we fucked ourselves -- didn't we?

                                                                                                                                      We should just leave the ME -- so should the other governments of the world. We should ban weapons sales, period. Their way is fight until we all die -- it has been that way since day 1. Fuck the Messiah, Second Coming the Return of the Prophet -- it's all bullshit that leads to death You cannot ban religious belief for reason humans seem genetically predisposed to it. This is the reasonable alternative for sane and secular man.
                                                                                                                                      are you trying to suggest that south was right, the nsa system doesn't work because the orlando terrorist's parents were allowed to come to America?

                                                                                                                                      but no, we didn't f ourselves.

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                                                                                                                                        • crockett
                                                                                                                                          in a van by the river
                                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                                          • 76818
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                          When an American Citizen -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omar_Mateen


                                                                                                                                          The Carter and Reagan administrations were allied with the Taliban Mujahideen as a component of the Cold War with the Soviets. So, we fucked ourselves -- didn't we?

                                                                                                                                          We should just leave the ME -- so should the other governments of the world. We should ban weapons sales, period. Their way is fight until we all die -- it has been that way since day 1. Fuck the Messiah, Second Coming the Return of the Prophet -- it's all bullshit that leads to death You cannot ban religious belief for reason humans seem genetically predisposed to it. This is the reasonable alternative for sane and secular man.
                                                                                                                                          We won't leave the ME until there isn't a a drop of oil left . Us being there stops another Nazi Germany from coming to power.

                                                                                                                                          It's the reason no other milItaly in the world can match ours because we control the oil. You can't have a massive war machine with out oil and with out the ME oil no one else can fuel one.
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                                                                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                              It's 42
                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                              • 18083
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              You want to trade blood for oil Crockett?

                                                                                                                                              We could have replaced oil a long time ago. We didn't to support the oil economy.
                                                                                                                                              The USA is heading the right way from oil dependence -- away.

                                                                                                                                              Europe and Asia are fucked -- but Russia could help out and benefit economically. There are always alternatives if you want them bad enough.

                                                                                                                                              I have no illusions of the "beating of swords into plowshares." Did you notice how Putin got the fuck out of Syria as soon as that baby was decapitated in Russia? Maybe, he saw the futility of getting too involved in the local disputes. We are not capitalizing on this to promote our own well being.

                                                                                                                                              I guess we (government policy) want to continue trading blood for oil ...

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                                                                                                                                                • mikesouth
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                  he is the one paying attention. it has everything to do with the orlando terrorist. you seem to think homegrown terrorism takes a back seat to foreign terrorism. it doesn't.

                                                                                                                                                  heads up: a homegrown terrorist just committed the biggest terrorist attack on US since 9/11.
                                                                                                                                                  OK lemme try this again
                                                                                                                                                  If the NSA cant see this coming from Mateen after all the evidence they had that he had issues how do you expect them to properly vet thousands or even hundreds of muslims coming into this country

                                                                                                                                                  Is that more clear?
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                                                                                                                                                    • mikesouth
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                      are you trying to suggest that south was right, the nsa system doesn't work because the orlando terrorist's parents were allowed to come to America?

                                                                                                                                                      but no, we didn't f ourselves.
                                                                                                                                                      I never said a word about mateens parents my comment wasnt about Mateen HELLO m pay attention it was about the NSA inability to identify Mateen as a problem even though they had a lot of evidence pointing to him as a problem and how given that you cant expect them to be able to properly vet the immigrants coming in NOW who might be terrorists jesus guys....
                                                                                                                                                      Mike South

                                                                                                                                                      It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                          It's 42
                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                          • 18083
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                          are you trying to suggest that south was right, the nsa system doesn't work because the orlando terrorist's parents were allowed to come to America?

                                                                                                                                                          but no, we didn't f ourselves.
                                                                                                                                                          We have fucked ourselves over and over in the ME just like the Roman and British Empires did. Only the locals Nebuchadnezzar, Darius and the Mohammedan Ottomans had any successes.

                                                                                                                                                          This is the same as Vietnam -- the French and Americans were driven out. Vietnam worked out OK but there is new conflict with the Chinese and the Vietnamese. Let them work it out -- we can move our factories to India or Africa if it gets messy.

                                                                                                                                                          Let the UN bicker over the world's problems. We don't have to be total isolationists but we need to look out after our own best interests. We can attempt true diplomatic relations with the world but not try to manipulate less powerful nations internal affairs. We do not have to really -- we can totally immolate them if need be There is no need to coerce. Mutual respect is a much better foreign policy. Not banning immigration after being the cause of migration.

                                                                                                                                                          Maybe, if America didn't try to fuck with the world so much the world would not fuck back

                                                                                                                                                          Maybe, I have moved my position away from bully tactics -- we see they don't work and pay with our blood. It's not like we can't turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot -- we should be smart enough not to put ourselves into the position to want to.

                                                                                                                                                          We (the US) is cutting off its own nose to spite its own face -- utterly stupid.

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                                                                                                                                                            • mikesouth
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              After reading this thread I am begining to see the real problem and that is people twisting the truth and even flat out lying in order to make it fit their agenda. I never said a damn thing to imply that mateens parents shouldnt have been allowed to come here, NOTHING. Seems with all the various agendas the facts just get ignored, forgotten or twisted until they are no longer facts
                                                                                                                                                              Mike South

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                                                                                                                                                                • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                  • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                  We have fucked ourselves over and over in the ME just like the Roman and British Empires did. Only the locals Nebuchadnezzar, Darius and the Mohammedan Ottomans had any successes.

                                                                                                                                                                  This is the same as Vietnam -- the French and Americans were driven out. Vietnam worked out OK but there is new conflict with the Chinese and the Vietnamese. Let them work it out -- we can move our factories to India or Africa if it gets messy.

                                                                                                                                                                  Let the UN bicker over the world's problems. We don't have to be total isolationists but we need to look out after our own best interests. We can attempt true diplomatic relations with the world but not try to manipulate less powerful nations internal affairs. We do not have to really -- we can totally immolate them if need be There is no need to coerce. Mutual respect is a much better foreign policy. Not banning immigration after being the cause of migration.

                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe, if America didn't try to fuck with the world so much the world would not fuck back

                                                                                                                                                                  Maybe, I have moved my position away from bully tactics -- we see they don't work and pay with our blood. It's not like we can't turn the whole ME into a glass parking lot -- we should be smart enough not to put ourselves into the position to want to.

                                                                                                                                                                  We (the US) is cutting off it's own nose to spite it's face -- utterly stupid.
                                                                                                                                                                  we didn't make the rules and we didn't start the shit. shit's been going on there long before we were USA and was perpetuated by others after we became the USA. isolationism is a pipe dream, thanks internet.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                      It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jun 2010
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      You are looking at the trees and not seeing the forest Mike.

                                                                                                                                                                      The NSA would not have to defend this threat if it wasn't there. We (US Foreign Policy) are our own worst enemies.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          the entire western civilization is in the isis crosshairs, i.e. ALL foreign policy is flawed, according to me terrorists.

                                                                                                                                                                          USA didn't invent the game, in fact, we were late to the party, this shit's been going on long before usa failed foreign policy.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                              It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                              • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                              we didn't make the rules and we didn't start the shit. shit's been going on there long before we were USA and was perpetuated by others after we became the USA. isolationism is a pipe dream, thanks internet.
                                                                                                                                                                              The ME is saying Fuck the USA -- you want to go to war -- pick up a gun and fight.

                                                                                                                                                                              I say leave them to their own way. If the comparants find a compromise fine if they kill each other to the last man standing -- OK they died I didn't.

                                                                                                                                                                              That is not isolationism. That is non-intervention.

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                                                                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't need to paint a target on my back and cry about the result -- thank you

                                                                                                                                                                                  Walk tall and carry a big stick -- we can always use tactical nuclear weapons if attacked -- we always have that option available. we should just take out Raqqa as an example and walk away maybe -- check your move.

                                                                                                                                                                                  If The Islamic Terrorist State backs off the USA we can leave it to the locals. If they don't we nuke them again -- that's playing hardball.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      the me is saying fuck the USA while selling US their oil. we're not forcing them to do that. your logic would be better applied to the me, since you seem to think the problem is that they have a problem with US, then they can simply stop selling US their oil. They can simply stop buying military jets from USA. they can simply stop watching our television shows. they can simply stop wearing levis. they can simply stop buying 1000 boeing jets. etc et al. on and on.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                          It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Cash makes no enemies; they can buy any item with no military use.
                                                                                                                                                                                          We can buy their oil; they just can not buy items with a military use with the proceeds.

                                                                                                                                                                                          If the ME peoples/nations want to scrap and salvage their own assets to make bullets and weapons to kill each other -- let them -- no loss to US or Western nations' lives.

                                                                                                                                                                                          Their choice.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • Brian8377
                                                                                                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2016
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 375
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                                              So the answer is to do nothing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              Rochard gets burned by Paul HAHA. Step up your game Rochard. Even Paul can put you down without trying now.
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