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  • AdultKing
    Raise Your Weapon
    • Jun 2003
    • 15601

    #1

    Business Paul Markham on ratios & sales

    On ratios, Paul Markham says....

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    A few years ago a large producer of quality content put up his conversion rates. 1-36,000 on views. TYhat more than anything tells us the damage of free porn.

    On ratios and porn quality, Paul Markham says .....

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    This was very good porn and an affiliates link. So the sign up was worth less than $15.

    Yes, I know with bad to averages content it would be far worse.

    As I have always said content is king. This industry is fucked sideways and back. By sites, that have the best content in the opinions of the surfers.

    On the future of sales, Paul Markham says ....

    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    I wouldn't bother. Only the top stuff stays on the front page of anything but obscure niches for more than a day.

    How about giving everything away for free, add more every day, do live shows, and sell ad space?

    It won't be long now until everything is supported by ad sales. Excluding a few sites. Even cams are having problems converting off Ada on Tubes.

    Discuss.
  • Roald
    SecretFriends.com
    • May 2001
    • 27910

    #2
    This all would be more interesting if he had any experience in the field. Sadly he doesnt have any so anything he says is just based on assumptions. He's always done this.

    Which is of course fine since this is GFY ;)


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    • Jel
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      • Feb 2007
      • 6904

      #3
      what's to discuss? everyone with any brains knows he is full of shit when it comes to anything not directly related to shooting. He had no clue about the internet in 2003 let alone now in 2016

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      • DVTimes
        xxx
        • Jun 2003
        • 31658

        #4
        To be fair, he did run a website for a few years.

        Plus he has sold content to sites, so may have got feedback from site owners over the years.
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        • NatalieK
          Natalie K
          • Apr 2010
          • 20123

          #5
          My sales ratio on my website is Conversion Ratio: 345 : 1

          Now, I don't know if this will be the same from tube traffic or not, but I'll do a comparison in about a month
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          • DVTimes
            xxx
            • Jun 2003
            • 31658

            #6
            Originally posted by GspotProductions
            My sales ratio on my website is Conversion Ratio: 345 : 1
            Wow Gary.

            Your site has the best sales ratio ever.

            So for every person who comes to your site, buys 345 memberships????

            That is as realistic as you having set up a company, and you being Nat and not Gary.

            345:1 amazing
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            • candyflip
              Carpe Visio
              • Jul 2002
              • 43069

              #7
              Originally posted by GspotProductions
              My sales ratio on my website is Conversion Ratio: 345 : 1

              Now, I don't know if this will be the same from tube traffic or not, but I'll do a comparison in about a month
              You really are a fucking moron Gary. And there's not a soul here who believes this statement coming from you.

              Spend you some brain.
              Email Me

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              • Bladewire
                StraightBro
                • Aug 2003
                • 56228

                #8
                Originally posted by candyflip
                You really are a fucking moron Gary. And there's not a soul here who believes this statement coming from you.


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                • NatalieK
                  Natalie K
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 20123

                  #9
                  Originally posted by candyflip
                  You really are a fucking moron Gary. And there's not a soul here who believes this statement coming from you.
                  And this statement above proves, it's you that's the moron!

                  Ask Modelcentro to check my affiliate dashboard & state the sales ratio....

                  My Conversion Ratio: 346 : 1



                  Now we've got that sorted, maybe can't flip, candy turd or what ever his or her name is can start calling me GspotProductions, as that's my username, or Natalie if you want to be informal
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                  • candyflip
                    Carpe Visio
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 43069

                    #10
                    Originally posted by GspotProductions
                    And this statement above proves, it's you that's the moron!

                    Ask Modelcentro to check my affiliate dashboard & state the sales ratio....

                    My Conversion Ratio: 346 : 1



                    Now we've got that sorted, maybe can't flip, candy turd or what ever his or her name is can start calling me GspotProductions, as that's my username, or Natalie if you want to be informal
                    Hi Gary.

                    Spend you some brain.
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                    • Bladewire
                      StraightBro
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 56228

                      #11
                      Originally posted by GspotProductions
                      And this statement above proves, it's you that's the moron!

                      Ask Modelcentro to check my affiliate dashboard & state the sales ratio....

                      My Conversion Ratio: 346 : 1
                      You can't count your test transaction as a sale Gary.


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                      • Brian8377
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2016
                        • 375

                        #12
                        Originally posted by GspotProductions
                        And this statement above proves, it's you that's the moron!

                        Ask Modelcentro to check my affiliate dashboard & state the sales ratio....

                        My Conversion Ratio: 346 : 1



                        Now we've got that sorted, maybe can't flip, candy turd or what ever his or her name is can start calling me GspotProductions, as that's my username, or Natalie if you want to be informal
                        You didn't even get what he was saying LOL. Look at what you said and fix it. After that you can argue the ratio.
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                        • Brian8377
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                          • May 2016
                          • 375

                          #13
                          Paul always says content is king and also thinks his content is king. He might be a little right with the one on the left.
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                          • dyna mo
                            just a fucking jerk
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 68184

                            #14
                            Maybe he forgot to carry a 1? All great minds make little arithmetic errors.

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                            • NatalieK
                              Natalie K
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 20123

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Brian8377
                              You didn't even get what he was saying LOL. Look at what you said and fix it. After that you can argue the ratio.
                              please explain what you mean?

                              I said I'd let Paul know if the ratio to sales from PH are as he says, now i'm updating my PH profile regular, and my sales ratio are as above, nothing to do with join hit, sales, conversions ratio...

                              wtf's so hard to understand?
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                              • Colmike9
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                                • Dec 2011
                                • 7230

                                #16
                                A ratio is a ratio, who says that sales has to be first and traffic second?..
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                                • NatalieK
                                  Natalie K
                                  • Apr 2010
                                  • 20123

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Colmike7
                                  A ratio is a ratio, who says the sales has to be first and traffic second?..
                                  well this is why I want more traffic & more affiliates, because my sales, conversions ratio is higher than that of most websites...

                                  send 1000 hits & get 3 sales... go for it, don't argue it, is what I say.

                                  Those arguing above are obviously not here to do business or they would shut up & send traffic & be proven to make money, as 3 sales in every 1000 hits is pretty good, I think most would agree
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                                  • Roald
                                    SecretFriends.com
                                    • May 2001
                                    • 27910

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by DVTimes
                                    To be fair, he did run a website for a few years.

                                    Plus he has sold content to sites, so may have got feedback from site owners over the years.
                                    Like I said, no experience.


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                                    • Colmike9
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                                      • Dec 2011
                                      • 7230

                                      #19
                                      Just saying, but could you please re-read the ratio you posted? Then you'll get the joke, I don't think anyone's trying to be mean, it's just funny..
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                                      • NatalieK
                                        Natalie K
                                        • Apr 2010
                                        • 20123

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Colmike7
                                        Just saying, but could you please re-read the ratio you posted? Then you'll get the joke, I don't think anyone's trying to be mean, it's just funny..
                                        do you mean it should be 1 : 346 ?

                                        If so, maybe, but that's the way model centro have it laid on my site console...





                                        so now i've got my pornhub new video online, i'll now keep updating pornhub say once a week & hopefully I'll be able to give a legit sales ratio to the PH tube.

                                        I'll see the extra traffic & hopefully, sales aswell
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                                        • Colmike9
                                          (>^_^)b
                                          • Dec 2011
                                          • 7230

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                          do you mean it should be 1 : 346 ?

                                          If so, maybe, but that's the way model centro have it laid on my site console...



                                          Yeah, that was the joke..
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                                          • Barry-xlovecam
                                            It's 42
                                            • Jun 2010
                                            • 18083

                                            #22
                                            If the traffic originates from banners or popunders on tube site it's very possible.

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                                            • ilnjscb
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Jun 2009
                                              • 8973

                                              #23
                                              I'm in the middle of a 5 year research project (disclaimer: I am lazy) the ultimate aim of which is to get large advertisers to utilize porn traffic. Several have considered the possibility, but they want transparent data upon which they can base their decisions. If we have no blind, real time, reliable, current count of traffic and CT ratios, will this industry ever be able to access that potential gold mine?

                                              The stigma of viewing porn is fading. In 2020 and beyond it may be possible to advertise on porn sites without getting tarred and feathered. Who is willing to post blind stats, or allow their stats to be accessed?

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                                              • Jigster715
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jul 2015
                                                • 1459

                                                #24
                                                Paul Markham in for the loss

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                                                • Paul Markham
                                                  Too old to care
                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                  • 52942

                                                  #25
                                                  I counted the views, not those who clicked the button to go to the tour. So the stats from your front page, join page or whatever don't count this time.

                                                  Anyone else submitting to Tubes willing to tell us their views to join ratios?

                                                  Remember the days when a TGP page could get so many views and so few sales, the cost of the B/W was more than the money earned?

                                                  People can buy traffic today and not cover the cost of the traffic.

                                                  The stats I posted were from a person who previously owned a big Tube site.



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                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                    Too old to care
                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                    • 52942

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Roald
                                                    This all would be more interesting if he had any experience in the field. Sadly he doesnt have any so anything he says is just based on assumptions. He's always done this.

                                                    Which is of course fine since this is GFY ;)
                                                    The Stats were taken from a post on GFY by an owner of a big paysites company. I compared his ratios on clicks to the site, to views on their Tube clips. I did assume those stats were right.

                                                    What are the views to join stats on the company you work for?



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                                                    • Paul Markham
                                                      Too old to care
                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 52942

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Jel
                                                      what's to discuss? everyone with any brains knows he is full of shit when it comes to anything not directly related to shooting. He had no clue about the internet in 2003 let alone now in 2016
                                                      What are the stats on your Tube clips views to joins?

                                                      This isn't about the Internet, it's about maths.



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                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                        Too old to care
                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                        • 52942

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GspotProductions
                                                        My sales ratio on my website is Conversion Ratio: 345 : 1

                                                        Now, I don't know if this will be the same from tube traffic or not, but I'll do a comparison in about a month
                                                        Is that clicks to the site or views on the page that contain a link to the site?

                                                        Will be nice to see your views to join stats.

                                                        None of the idiots here have offered any, so I assume talking out of their asses. As they have no knowledge on the subject.



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                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                          Too old to care
                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                          • 52942

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Brian8377
                                                          Paul always says content is king and also thinks his content is king. He might be a little right with the one on the left.
                                                          Yes content is king. Never thought mine was. Just better than a lot and earned me more than most who think traffic is king.



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                                                          • Paul Markham
                                                            Too old to care
                                                            • Jun 2001
                                                            • 52942

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Colmike7
                                                            A ratio is a ratio, who says that sales has to be first and traffic second?..
                                                            Because the industry's model of giving away more content to get to get more sales. Has ruined the industry. 1-100 to 1-500, 10 1 in god knows what. In only 10 years. Has cost $billions.



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                                                            • Paul Markham
                                                              Too old to care
                                                              • Jun 2001
                                                              • 52942

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                              If the traffic originates from banners or popunders on tube site it's very possible.
                                                              It was from clips on the Tube site. You are right about buying traffic. Seems even people clicking on a link don't want to spend money. 20,000 clicks and one sale. So how can traffic be king? When 19,999 don't want to buy?



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                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                Too old to care
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by ilnjscb
                                                                I'm in the middle of a 5 year research project (disclaimer: I am lazy) the ultimate aim of which is to get large advertisers to utilize porn traffic. Several have considered the possibility, but they want transparent data upon which they can base their decisions. If we have no blind, real time, reliable, current count of traffic and CT ratios, will this industry ever be able to access that potential gold mine?

                                                                The stigma of viewing porn is fading. In 2020 and beyond it may be possible to advertise on porn sites without getting tarred and feathered. Who is willing to post blind stats, or allow their stats to be accessed?
                                                                Unless advertisers have a product identical to another advertiser. Stats are meaningless.

                                                                It would be like comparing the conversion rates of Brazzers, with that of DVTimes sites. One converts could convert 1-1,000 the other doesn't.

                                                                That's the problem with stats.



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                                                                • Paul Markham
                                                                  Too old to care
                                                                  • Jun 2001
                                                                  • 52942

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Since people gave away pictures on Newsgroups, to today we have seen rations from views of traffic to the site get worse. no one here has offered stats on their Tube Samples so no one here has real knowledge. They have nothing to do but attack. Even so their stats have no relevance to other people's stats.

                                                                  The one thing we do know is free porn kills more sales than it makes. To the tune of 100s in the early days to 10,000 today. Yes, content is king because it rules the business. It dominates who gets the people, then dominates your sales and ratios.

                                                                  The fact that there's more traffic online doesn't mean squat. All that matters is there more buying from me? Or you.

                                                                  Neither does it matter if some low earner tells me I didn't earn what another person earns because he has traffic. I could answer and use that analogy on them.

                                                                  So before you reply. Offer your opinion or stats if you have any, on how many people on a porn Tube site will buy porn.



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                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 52942

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Since day one on the boards I have stuck to Content is King. It rules what the surfer does. Since day one, a lot of people have said traffic is king as if it appears magically. You know I'm the only one with a magic join button.

                                                                    Back in the day, we had TGPs, the top ones were the ones with the best content, they retained traffic because of surfers choosing to stay. Ratios on traffic from a TGP were anything from 1 in 50 to 1 -500. A TGP page with good content got the 1-50. Some cost more in B/W than the sales made.

                                                                    But these stats are misleading. The real conversion rate was the number of people who saw the page to the number who paid to join. This could be 1 in 500 or nothing in whatever. Because the content wasn't good enough.

                                                                    Maybe 1,000 saw the page and thought it was shit, or jerked off and went back to the TV. Whatever maybe as many or more than 99.01% weren't buying because of the content.

                                                                    Now we're in a situation where people can buy ad space and not convert 1-5,000. Not because they haven't got the traffic. It's because after looking at the content, they're buying. How many saw the ad and didn't bother to click?

                                                                    With a sponsors clip on a Tube, the aim must be to convert the viewer into a buyer. Are Sponsors getting a cut of the traffic sales?

                                                                    Clicks to the site ratios may be 1-300. The real ratios are the number who saw the clip and could be bothered to click. If that's 1 in 100. 99% got off for free on the content and 99.3% couldn't be asked to pay for the porn after seeing the tour, which should be the best the site has to offer.

                                                                    Even shit content is better than a blank page, that can get a million clicks an hour and still no sales.

                                                                    A great site can buy traffic and make money. Stars have been made by free content and gone on to make a fortune. The motto of you build it and they will come is right. The problem is if you have shit content no one stays, comments, likes or tells their friends.



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                                                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                      It's 42
                                                                      • Jun 2010
                                                                      • 18083

                                                                      #35
                                                                      I think it boils down to math --

                                                                      traffic conversion cost and customer lifetime value
                                                                      Customer acquisition cost v. anticipated median customer profit margin

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                                                                      • NatalieK
                                                                        Natalie K
                                                                        • Apr 2010
                                                                        • 20123

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                        Is that clicks to the site or views on the page that contain a link to the site?

                                                                        Will be nice to see your views to join stats.
                                                                        atm, that's just our join conversions from traffic to my site. But, as we've just started to get the Pornhub amateur program started & uploading new content again, i'll keep a watch & get back to you
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                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                          • 52942

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                          I think it boils down to math --

                                                                          traffic conversion cost and customer lifetime value
                                                                          Customer acquisition cost v. anticipated median customer profit margin

                                                                          With bought clicks I would say it's a lot higher. With submitting clips to Tubes, 99.99% of the views are a waste. And that number is probably too conservative.

                                                                          What determines the ratio, is the quality of the content.



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                                                                          • OldJeff
                                                                            Big Fucking hahahaha
                                                                            • Feb 2003
                                                                            • 2491

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                            Yes content is king. Never thought mine was. Just better than a lot and earned me more than most who think traffic is king.
                                                                            The only place content was king was in the DVD / VHS sales and Rental.

                                                                            On the internet traffic was, is, and always shall be king.

                                                                            In the magazine world content was nothing more that a way to get eyes to up the advertising rates.
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                                                                            • ErectMedia
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                                                                              • Aug 2004
                                                                              • 7100

                                                                              #39
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                                                                              • Rochard
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                                                                                • Dec 2001
                                                                                • 75733

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by DVTimes
                                                                                Wow Gary.

                                                                                Your site has the best sales ratio ever.

                                                                                So for every person who comes to your site, buys 345 memberships????
                                                                                This right here might just be the funniest thing I've seen on GFY in many years.
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                                                                                • NatalieK
                                                                                  Natalie K
                                                                                  • Apr 2010
                                                                                  • 20123

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                  This right here might just be the funniest thing I've seen on GFY in many years.


                                                                                  I could go 2 ways about answering divvy fuck head...

                                                                                  do I say, exactly, so there you go, promote my site & make millions, or just laugh & say what a cock head

                                                                                  In all seriousness, i'm amazed the hardcore guys aren't trying to make mega money from my site, considering it's not a bullshit ratio & after so many years of both my partner & I saying our shit sells, it proves with MC ratio image above, it's true
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                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                    • 52942

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by OldJeff
                                                                                    The only place content was king was in the DVD / VHS sales and Rental.

                                                                                    On the internet traffic was, is, and always shall be king.

                                                                                    In the magazine world content was nothing more that a way to get eyes to up the advertising rates.
                                                                                    How do you get traffic with a blank page?

                                                                                    Merely saying something doesn't make it right, you have to explain why your opinion is right. No content, no traffic.

                                                                                    Here's a video that explains why I'm right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpSyMKZ5BKY



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