Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists - GoFuckYourself.com

logic00 · 03-27-2003, 01:16 PM

Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists
With all of this talk of war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001, and those who support terror.
These activists may be alone or in a gathering . . . . . most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their allies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a non-violent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-6 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost. We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep
getting hit in the nose.

Dildozer · 03-27-2003, 01:19 PM

hahahahaha
I'm gonna go bash some hippies now

WebTitan · 03-27-2003, 01:28 PM

VERY well stated!

Jakke PNG · 03-27-2003, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dildozer
hahahahaha
I'm gonna go bash some hippies now

Hippies smell odd... kinda like mold.

extreme · 03-27-2003, 01:29 PM

Your kind of democracy certainly is a scary one.

Serge_Oprano · 03-27-2003, 01:31 PM

The Porn Dude · 03-27-2003, 01:32 PM

TheFLY · 03-27-2003, 01:35 PM

I agree that the time for peace is over -- but the retaliation should be against the real source of the terror -- the weapons manufacturers that control the USA.

Fuck peace and Iraq -- the real enemy is Lockheed Martin -- these people run our government...

---

Nobody is doing a better job of arming the world than Lockheed Martin; the company's portfolio of weapons and buyers is breathtaking. (Click here for a list of recent LM deals worth more than $14 million.) LM is ground zero for the corporate giveaways that have characterized not just arms-export policy, but virtually every facet of the Clinton administration.

It was on behalf of the former Martin Marietta Corp. that Defense Secretary William Perry and his then- deputy, John Deutch, reversed a 40-year ban on federal reimbursement of some expenses generated by defense company acquisitions and mergers. The payoff for Martin Marietta was $330 million in federal reimbursements toward the $3 billion cost of buying General Electric's aerospace division.

In 1995 Martin Marietta took advantage of these same federal reimbursements in merging with Lockheed, creating the world's largest arms maker with $28 billion in 1997 sales. In the process, the new Lockheed Martin pocketed about $1 billion in taxpayer money for costs related to employee relocations, plant closures, and associated expenses. Approximately $31 million was paid in executive bonuses alone -- courtesy of the federal budget. About 30,000 workers lost their jobs after the federally bankrolled merger, and even more were laid off when LM turned around and bought tactical-missile maker Loral Corp. for its Loral Vought Systems division.

As LM gets special treatment from the federal government, it also gives back. In addition to grooming ex-employees like Perry and Deutch for key government decision-making positions, LM spent a staggering $906,487 in the 1997-8 election cycle -- second only to United Parcel Service. LM's PAC- giving skewed heavily toward Newt Gingrich's Republican majority in Congress; the company has long enjoyed a happy relationship with Newt Gingrich, who would bring home major Defense Department bacon for LM plants in his home district.

The impressive portfolio of weaponry for sale, and buyers demanding it, includes fighters, air transports, antitank missiles, and armored vehicles. LM uses its political clout to expand its foreign markets, and the Clinton administration is fully on board. For instance, arms makers like LM swoon at the idea of expanding NATO, regardless of the risk of angering a volatile Russia. LM and Boeing (as well as Textron) stand to gain enormously from NATO's impending admission of Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic, which will all have to modernize their decrepit armed forces -- preferably with American weaponry.

LM and Boeing have lobbied hard for NATO expansion -- and for American taxpayers to pick up the tab. In 1996-7 two-thirds of countries receiving Foreign Military Financing (FMF) assistance (reimbursements for buying certain types of military equipment, for the portion of that equipment made in the U.S.) were either Eastern or Central European states or former Soviet republics -- a sharp departure from past years, when FMF money went primarily to Egypt and Israel. Moreover, LM has pledged that the company will provide 100 percent offsets on any sale of fighter aircraft to Eastern and Central Europe. LM has been a leader in exporting jobs along with arms; its F-16 program, with coproduction or other offset deals in a dozen foreign countries, now supports more direct production jobs overseas than it does in the U.S.

LM's lobbying also paid off in December 1995. After a seven-year lobbying effort by LM, other contractors and trade groups such as the Aerospace Industries Association influenced the creation of a new slush fund, the $15 billion Defense Export Loan Guarantee (DELG) program.

LM recently sought to extend its influence even further by proposing $8.3 billion purchase of Northrop Grumman. LM backed off the deal after the Defense Department and Justice Department filed an action seeking to enjoin the merger on antitrust grounds.

Meanwhile, LM is currently in hot water with the Pentagon due to cost overruns of $150 million in its development of the Joint Strike Fighter, intended to be a low-budget alternative to the high-end F-22.

-- Geov Parrish

Deals worth over $14 million since 1994 include Advanced Gunnery Training Systems to Egypt; Army Tactical Missiles (ATACMS) & launch assemblies to Greece and South Korea; C-130 Hercules transport planes and/or associated spare parts to Bangladesh, Brazil, South Korea, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Taiwan (Turkey and Zimbabwe also grabbed some C- 130 spare parts); C-130B transport planes to Bolivia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Ethiopia, Greece, the Philippines, Romania, South Africa, Tunisia, and Zimbabwe; C-130F transport aircraft to South Africa; C-130H-30 transport aircraft to Malaysia; F-16 fighter jets to South Korea and Taiwan (Turkey and Egypt got upgrades to their F-16s); F-16 A/B Fighting Falcon to Bahrain and Jordan; F-16 C/D Falcon (and/or upgrades) to Bahrain, Egypt, and Singapore; F-104 to Zimbabwe; Hellfire II air-to-ground antitank missiles to Egypt, Israel, Kuwait, and Taiwan; LANTIRN (Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night) navigation pods to Egypt, Singapore, and Turkey; MK-41 vertical launch system to South Korea; Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) to Israel, South Korea, and Turkey; Multiple Launch Rocket System-Extended Range (MLRS-ER) to South Korea; P-3B Orion patrol aircraft to Argentina and Greece; P-3C aircraft to Greece; sharpshooter infantry fighting vehicles to Egypt; T-33 to Zimbabwe and Turkey; and Walleye missile tube vidicons to Israel.

Fletch XXX · 03-27-2003, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by logic00

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

buahaha

Fletch XXX · 03-27-2003, 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheFLY

Deals worth over $14 million since 1994 include Advanced Gunnery Training Systems to Egypt; Army Tactical Missiles (ATACMS) & launch assemblies to Greece and South Korea; C-130 Hercules transport planes and/or associated spare parts to Bangladesh, Brazil, South Korea, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Taiwan (Turkey and Zimbabwe also grabbed some C- 130 spare parts); C-130B transport planes to Bolivia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Ethiopia, Greece, the Philippines, Romania, South Africa, Tunisia, and Zimbabwe; C-130F transport aircraft to South Africa; C-130H-30 transport aircraft to Malaysia; <font color="yellow">F-16 fighter jets to South Korea and Taiwan (Turkey and Egypt got upgrades to their F-16s); F-16 A/B Fighting Falcon to Bahrain and Jordan; F-16 C/D Falcon (and/or upgrades) to Bahrain, Egypt, and Singapore;</font> F-104 to Zimbabwe; Hellfire II air-to-ground antitank missiles to Egypt, Israel, Kuwait, and Taiwan; LANTIRN (Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night) navigation pods to Egypt, Singapore, and Turkey; MK-41 vertical launch system to South Korea; Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) to Israel, South Korea, and Turkey; Multiple Launch Rocket System-Extended Range (MLRS-ER) to South Korea; P-3B Orion patrol aircraft to Argentina and Greece; P-3C aircraft to Greece; sharpshooter infantry fighting vehicles to Egypt; T-33 to Zimbabwe and Turkey; and Walleye missile tube vidicons to Israel.

An f-16 cost more than 14 million each

http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/F_...ng_Falcon.html

mule · 03-27-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by logic00
...who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001

I thought that was Bin Laden? Public enemy number one? Top priority?

Wish you guys would decide who the bad guys are, this is making my head spin

Gutterboy · 03-27-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by The Porn Dude

mule · 03-27-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TeenGodFather

Hippies smell odd... kinda like mold.

LOL, yep
I could never figure that out.
Then I realised it was patchouli. Can't stand the stuff

Sly_RJ · 03-27-2003, 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

I thought that was Bin Laden? Public enemy number one? Top priority?

Wish you guys would decide who the bad guys are, this is making my head spin

I was waiting for someone to find that...

mule · 03-27-2003, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by logic00
Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists...blah blah

On a serious note, though:

logic00, your nick made me assume that you might apply some logic.

I'm against this war. If you punch me in the face for saying so, I'll kick your fucking teeth in. That doesn't mean that I support the war, though. It means that I'll kick YOUR teeth in for punching me, I'm not gonna invade the country of someone who MIGHT punch me some time in the future.

Your post is funny in a very glib Hollywood-oneliner type of way, but it doesn't hold water.

Sly_RJ · 03-27-2003, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mule

On a serious note, though:

logic00, your nick made me assume that you might apply some logic.

I'm against this war. If you punch me in the face for saying so, I'll kick your fucking teeth in. That doesn't mean that I support the war, though. It means that I'll kick YOUR teeth in for punching me, I'm not gonna invade the country of someone who MIGHT punch me some time in the future.

Your post is funny in a very glib Hollywood-oneliner type of way, but it doesn't hold water.

He's talking about PEACE ACTIVISTS. Not anti-war.

mule · 03-27-2003, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

He's talking about PEACE ACTIVISTS. Not anti-war.

LOL, you're right. I guess I went off the deep end. I've been called so many things that I'm not (anti-USA, hippy, commie, Russian, etc) for not agreeing with the war, that I guess I've become a bit defensive

KRL · 03-27-2003, 02:20 PM

Watching all those losers blocking the streets in NYC today, I say just break out the snowplows to move their fucking asses. Who needs these people anyway. After we snowplow them, we can use them in the cement mix to rebuild the WTC so they'll be memorialized properly.

CosmicKitten · 03-27-2003, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by logic00
Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists
With all of this talk of war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001, and those who support terror.
These activists may be alone or in a gathering . . . . . most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their allies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian.

2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.

3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.

4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a non-violent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.

5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct.

6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.

7. Repeat steps 2-6 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making.

8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost. We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep
getting hit in the nose.

thanks I needed that

mule · 03-27-2003, 02:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL
Watching all those losers blocking the streets in NYC today, I say just break out the snowplows to move their fucking asses. Who needs these people anyway. After we snowplow them, we can use them in the cement mix to rebuild the WTC so they'll be memorialized properly.

They need tough guys like you in Iraq, wtf are you doing at home?

03-27-2003, 01:16 PM	#1
logic00 Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 175	Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists Proper Etiquette toward Peace Activists With all of this talk of war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001, and those who support terror. These activists may be alone or in a gathering . . . . . most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their allies, here are the proper rules of etiquette: 1. Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian. 2. In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose. 3. When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful. 4. Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a non-violent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying. 5. Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct. 6. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose. 7. Repeat steps 2-6 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid of an argument he/she is making. 8. There is no difference in an individual attacking an unsuspecting victim or a group of terrorists attacking a nation of people. It is unacceptable and must be dealt with. Perhaps at a high cost. We owe our military a huge debt for what they are about to do for us and our children. We must support them and our leaders at times like these. We have no choice. We either strike back, VERY HARD, or we will keep getting hit in the nose.

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03-27-2003, 01:35 PM	#8
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	I agree that the time for peace is over -- but the retaliation should be against the real source of the terror -- the weapons manufacturers that control the USA. Fuck peace and Iraq -- the real enemy is Lockheed Martin -- these people run our government... --- Nobody is doing a better job of arming the world than Lockheed Martin; the company's portfolio of weapons and buyers is breathtaking. (Click here for a list of recent LM deals worth more than $14 million.) LM is ground zero for the corporate giveaways that have characterized not just arms-export policy, but virtually every facet of the Clinton administration. It was on behalf of the former Martin Marietta Corp. that Defense Secretary William Perry and his then- deputy, John Deutch, reversed a 40-year ban on federal reimbursement of some expenses generated by defense company acquisitions and mergers. The payoff for Martin Marietta was $330 million in federal reimbursements toward the $3 billion cost of buying General Electric's aerospace division. In 1995 Martin Marietta took advantage of these same federal reimbursements in merging with Lockheed, creating the world's largest arms maker with $28 billion in 1997 sales. In the process, the new Lockheed Martin pocketed about $1 billion in taxpayer money for costs related to employee relocations, plant closures, and associated expenses. Approximately $31 million was paid in executive bonuses alone -- courtesy of the federal budget. About 30,000 workers lost their jobs after the federally bankrolled merger, and even more were laid off when LM turned around and bought tactical-missile maker Loral Corp. for its Loral Vought Systems division. As LM gets special treatment from the federal government, it also gives back. In addition to grooming ex-employees like Perry and Deutch for key government decision-making positions, LM spent a staggering $906,487 in the 1997-8 election cycle -- second only to United Parcel Service. LM's PAC- giving skewed heavily toward Newt Gingrich's Republican majority in Congress; the company has long enjoyed a happy relationship with Newt Gingrich, who would bring home major Defense Department bacon for LM plants in his home district. The impressive portfolio of weaponry for sale, and buyers demanding it, includes fighters, air transports, antitank missiles, and armored vehicles. LM uses its political clout to expand its foreign markets, and the Clinton administration is fully on board. For instance, arms makers like LM swoon at the idea of expanding NATO, regardless of the risk of angering a volatile Russia. LM and Boeing (as well as Textron) stand to gain enormously from NATO's impending admission of Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic, which will all have to modernize their decrepit armed forces -- preferably with American weaponry. LM and Boeing have lobbied hard for NATO expansion -- and for American taxpayers to pick up the tab. In 1996-7 two-thirds of countries receiving Foreign Military Financing (FMF) assistance (reimbursements for buying certain types of military equipment, for the portion of that equipment made in the U.S.) were either Eastern or Central European states or former Soviet republics -- a sharp departure from past years, when FMF money went primarily to Egypt and Israel. Moreover, LM has pledged that the company will provide 100 percent offsets on any sale of fighter aircraft to Eastern and Central Europe. LM has been a leader in exporting jobs along with arms; its F-16 program, with coproduction or other offset deals in a dozen foreign countries, now supports more direct production jobs overseas than it does in the U.S. LM's lobbying also paid off in December 1995. After a seven-year lobbying effort by LM, other contractors and trade groups such as the Aerospace Industries Association influenced the creation of a new slush fund, the $15 billion Defense Export Loan Guarantee (DELG) program. LM recently sought to extend its influence even further by proposing $8.3 billion purchase of Northrop Grumman. LM backed off the deal after the Defense Department and Justice Department filed an action seeking to enjoin the merger on antitrust grounds. Meanwhile, LM is currently in hot water with the Pentagon due to cost overruns of $150 million in its development of the Joint Strike Fighter, intended to be a low-budget alternative to the high-end F-22. -- Geov Parrish Deals worth over $14 million since 1994 include Advanced Gunnery Training Systems to Egypt; Army Tactical Missiles (ATACMS) & launch assemblies to Greece and South Korea; C-130 Hercules transport planes and/or associated spare parts to Bangladesh, Brazil, South Korea, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Taiwan (Turkey and Zimbabwe also grabbed some C- 130 spare parts); C-130B transport planes to Bolivia, Botswana, Bulgaria, Ethiopia, Greece, the Philippines, Romania, South Africa, Tunisia, and Zimbabwe; C-130F transport aircraft to South Africa; C-130H-30 transport aircraft to Malaysia; F-16 fighter jets to South Korea and Taiwan (Turkey and Egypt got upgrades to their F-16s); F-16 A/B Fighting Falcon to Bahrain and Jordan; F-16 C/D Falcon (and/or upgrades) to Bahrain, Egypt, and Singapore; F-104 to Zimbabwe; Hellfire II air-to-ground antitank missiles to Egypt, Israel, Kuwait, and Taiwan; LANTIRN (Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting Infrared for Night) navigation pods to Egypt, Singapore, and Turkey; MK-41 vertical launch system to South Korea; Multiple Launch Rocket System (MLRS) to Israel, South Korea, and Turkey; Multiple Launch Rocket System-Extended Range (MLRS-ER) to South Korea; P-3B Orion patrol aircraft to Argentina and Greece; P-3C aircraft to Greece; sharpshooter infantry fighting vehicles to Egypt; T-33 to Zimbabwe and Turkey; and Walleye missile tube vidicons to Israel.

03-27-2003, 02:20 PM	#18
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Watching all those losers blocking the streets in NYC today, I say just break out the snowplows to move their fucking asses. Who needs these people anyway. After we snowplow them, we can use them in the cement mix to rebuild the WTC so they'll be memorialized properly.