Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador! HOLY SHIT! - GoFuckYourself.com

MrPopup · 03-26-2003, 09:34 PM

WOW!

Probably opening up a fucking can of worms with this one!

US - Canada relations are officially dead.

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Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador
WebPosted Mar 26 2003 04:49 PM PST

OTTAWA - The storm over the comments made by the U.S. ambassador, rebuking the Liberal government for not supporting the United States in its war with Iraq, is far from over.

On Wednesday, Liberal MPs held a fractious meeting behind closed doors, debating whether to censure, maybe even expel, Ambassador Paul Cellucci.

FULL COVERAGE: CBC.CA

Paul Cellucci
Cellucci told a business audience in Toronto that Americans are disappointed and hurt by Canada's decision. And he bluntly warned that there will be short-term consequences.

The speech stung many Liberal MPs, and they urged the government to file a formal protest against the ambassador.

Other Liberals believe Cellucci was only reacting to a string of anti-American comments made by senior members of the Chrétien government.

INDEPTH: Iraq:Canada's Perspective

This isn't the first time Cellucci has criticized Canadian policy. In the past he has complained that the Chrétien government doesn't spend enough money on defence.

On the way into Wednesday's meeting, some Liberal caucus members had a few, undiplomatic things to say about Cellucci. Scarborough-Agincourt MP Jim Karygiannis said Cellucci had no business commenting on Canadian policies. "We're the ones that speak on behalf of our electorate. Cellucci doesn't get elected in our constituencies. He doesn't get elected in Canada."

Thirty-six Liberals lined up to speak in caucus, after an Ontario MP argued Canada should lodge a formal protest.

One camp argued the ambassador crossed the line, behaving more like a partisan politician than a diplomat. Some even argued he should be recalled.

In the other camp were MPs who think he was only responding to the anti-American comments by Liberals: cabinet minister Herb Dhaliwal calling President George W. Bush a failed statesman, and MP Carolyn Parrish calling all Americans "bastards."

Irwin Cotler, who represents the Montreal riding of Mount Royal, says the prime minister has a tough job ahead of him convincing Americans that the differences over Iraq are based on policy, not personality.

"What they couldn't abide by were the kinds of statements that seemed to suggest that Bush was worse than Saddam Hussein. Those are the kind of hurtful and harmful references that began to resonate in the United States."

Chrétien heard everyone out, before urging MPs to tone down the rhetoric.

Leadership contender Paul Martin agrees that Liberals need to choose their words with care. "Canadians are not anti-American," he said. "This government is not anti-American."

In the House of Commons, Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper expressed shock that the Liberals would consider expelling Cellucci when they've refused a U.S. request to expel Iraq's only diplomatic representative in Canada. "Why does the prime minister not grasp that his stance is deeply injurious to our national interest?"

Chrétien reminded the Commons that Canadians took in 40,000 Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks; that Canada has contributed to the war on terrorism by sending troops to Afghanistan and ships to the Arabian Sea. Canada, he said, will also contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq.

Gutterboy · 03-26-2003, 09:40 PM

I would love to see them expel the fucker just like I would like to see Jesse Ventura run for Prez in '04.

I'm not anti-US, just pro-chaos

MrPopup · 03-26-2003, 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gutterboy
I'm not anti-US, just pro-chaos

Subvert the fucking DOMINANT PARADIGM

hyper · 03-26-2003, 09:48 PM

no keep him
he fucked up Massachusetts
let him fuck up Canada

Rip · 03-26-2003, 09:48 PM

The liberals get their asses elected, via the voters in quebec.

I don't understand why people are so dumb and can't grasp the disproportionate displacement of parliamentary representation in canada

once you can add that up, then you can understand everything about why these political positions are taken

Martin · 03-26-2003, 09:56 PM

Get that bitch out my country,, Fuck man they must be reading my e-mails..

directfiesta · 03-26-2003, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rip
The liberals get their asses elected, via the voters in quebec.

I don't understand why people are so dumb and can't grasp the disproportionate displacement of parliamentary representation in canada

once you can add that up, then you can understand everything about why these political positions are taken

Corrections again....

Liberals got elect4ed by the voters of Ontario.

Quebec voted in about 50 seats of the Bloc Quebecois.

The official opposition, Canadian Alliance, is mainly supported by Manitoba, Albetrta, Saskatchewan .

A little research would be nice.

Like if I said G.W.Bush was elected by Californians...

foreverjason · 03-26-2003, 09:59 PM

Chretien does not support us canadians. He is senile.

directfiesta · 03-26-2003, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Martin
Get that bitch out my country,, Fuck man they must be reading my e-mails..

Should keep him as a hostage .

Fletch XXX · 03-26-2003, 10:01 PM

already been brought up in another thread.

why do you guys make new threads about shit already being debated hehe , its hard to keep up.

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Originally posted by CDSmith
Further to: the topic... apparently and not surprisingly... it's not over.

Look here: <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/03/26/libscellucci030326" TARGET="_blank"><b>Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador</b></a>

http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...8&pagenumber=2

Martin · 03-26-2003, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foreverjason
Chretien does not support us canadians. He is senile.

Bow to our GREAT Leader!

MrPopup · 03-26-2003, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

The official opposition, Canadian Alliance, is mainly supported by Manitoba, Albetrta, Saskatchewan .

Dont forget the fucking jerkoffs in BC.

Rip · 03-26-2003, 11:45 PM

whoops

Simon-interaid · 03-26-2003, 11:49 PM

Any Canadians that dont like our government ... or how we do things....

then get the fuck out of here

move to mexico or texas or something.

Rip · 03-26-2003, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by directfiesta

Corrections again....

Liberals got elect4ed by the voters of Ontario.

Quebec voted in about 50 seats of the Bloc Quebecois.

The official opposition, Canadian Alliance, is mainly supported by Manitoba, Albetrta, Saskatchewan .

A little research would be nice.

Like if I said G.W.Bush was elected by Californians...

simple the federal party which wins quebec wins federally, it is well known that quebec is sympathetic to french interests

example; BC + Alberta = more population than Quebec but has many less seats than quebec

so politicians know, catering to quebec = winning elections

bhutocracy · 03-26-2003, 11:54 PM

It's not really the ambassadors place to be commenting publicly on internal affairs.. the Australian US ambassador needs to shut the fuck up and learn his place. He pipes up often publically about our domestic politics.

Fire · 03-26-2003, 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrPopup
Scarborough-Agincourt MP Jim Karygiannis said Cellucci had no business commenting on Canadian policies. "We're the ones that speak on behalf of our electorate. Cellucci doesn't get elected in our constituencies. He doesn't get elected in Canada."

I wonder if that guy has ever commented on the United States policies?

03-26-2003, 09:34 PM	#1
MrPopup Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: on the internet Posts: 3,783	Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador! HOLY SHIT! WOW! Probably opening up a fucking can of worms with this one! US - Canada relations are officially dead. ***************************************** Liberals caucus considered expelling U.S. ambassador WebPosted Mar 26 2003 04:49 PM PST OTTAWA - The storm over the comments made by the U.S. ambassador, rebuking the Liberal government for not supporting the United States in its war with Iraq, is far from over. On Wednesday, Liberal MPs held a fractious meeting behind closed doors, debating whether to censure, maybe even expel, Ambassador Paul Cellucci. FULL COVERAGE: CBC.CA Paul Cellucci Cellucci told a business audience in Toronto that Americans are disappointed and hurt by Canada's decision. And he bluntly warned that there will be short-term consequences. The speech stung many Liberal MPs, and they urged the government to file a formal protest against the ambassador. Other Liberals believe Cellucci was only reacting to a string of anti-American comments made by senior members of the Chrétien government. INDEPTH: Iraq:Canada's Perspective This isn't the first time Cellucci has criticized Canadian policy. In the past he has complained that the Chrétien government doesn't spend enough money on defence. On the way into Wednesday's meeting, some Liberal caucus members had a few, undiplomatic things to say about Cellucci. Scarborough-Agincourt MP Jim Karygiannis said Cellucci had no business commenting on Canadian policies. "We're the ones that speak on behalf of our electorate. Cellucci doesn't get elected in our constituencies. He doesn't get elected in Canada." Thirty-six Liberals lined up to speak in caucus, after an Ontario MP argued Canada should lodge a formal protest. One camp argued the ambassador crossed the line, behaving more like a partisan politician than a diplomat. Some even argued he should be recalled. In the other camp were MPs who think he was only responding to the anti-American comments by Liberals: cabinet minister Herb Dhaliwal calling President George W. Bush a failed statesman, and MP Carolyn Parrish calling all Americans "bastards." Irwin Cotler, who represents the Montreal riding of Mount Royal, says the prime minister has a tough job ahead of him convincing Americans that the differences over Iraq are based on policy, not personality. "What they couldn't abide by were the kinds of statements that seemed to suggest that Bush was worse than Saddam Hussein. Those are the kind of hurtful and harmful references that began to resonate in the United States." Chrétien heard everyone out, before urging MPs to tone down the rhetoric. Leadership contender Paul Martin agrees that Liberals need to choose their words with care. "Canadians are not anti-American," he said. "This government is not anti-American." In the House of Commons, Canadian Alliance Leader Stephen Harper expressed shock that the Liberals would consider expelling Cellucci when they've refused a U.S. request to expel Iraq's only diplomatic representative in Canada. "Why does the prime minister not grasp that his stance is deeply injurious to our national interest?" Chrétien reminded the Commons that Canadians took in 40,000 Americans after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks; that Canada has contributed to the war on terrorism by sending troops to Afghanistan and ships to the Arabian Sea. Canada, he said, will also contribute to the reconstruction of Iraq. __________________ <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="3" border="1" bgcolor="#008000"><tr><td><font size=3>Gone</font></td></tr></table>

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Gutterboy So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Dis Posts: 4,751	I would love to see them expel the fucker just like I would like to see Jesse Ventura run for Prez in '04. I'm not anti-US, just pro-chaos

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foreverjason Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,452	Chretien does not support us canadians. He is senile.

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bhutocracy Not making A Comeback Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 10,218	It's not really the ambassadors place to be commenting publicly on internal affairs.. the Australian US ambassador needs to shut the fuck up and learn his place. He pipes up often publically about our domestic politics.