No, BOTH are the problem. We are pumping way too much greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere, and there is not enough trees and plants to absorb it.

Agreed! Cutting forests to make farms is ridiculous, and biofuels never made sense to me either. See dude? We can agree on some things.

More insults? Eon you have insulted and jabbed at me about 10 times in this thread, and again I never once took a jab back at you. Come on man...



Greenhouse Gas Emissions: Causes & Sources


No one wants that, but of course that is a part of the challenge. How do you move the world off of dangerous and polluting forms of energy to a cleaner source of energy without disrupting the economy? It's a problem that only people smarter than you and me can figure out, but it doesn't stop us from speculating and coming up with new ideas.



What is Ocean Acidification?




From the same article at What is Ocean Acidification?


I see what you are trying to say but I think you are forgetting something. The ocean naturally absorbs some CO2, and maybe releases some too I'm not sure. The natural cycle adds and removes CO2 to keep a balance; humans add extra CO2 without removing any. This my friend is the basic source of the problem.


It's very cool that you have studied that. I am impressed. I don't think its fair for you to call me one-sided though. As I've said in the past, I think getting rid of fossil fuels is impossible, and probably unnecessary. All I want to see is better use of energy. Driving and heating with electrons instead of carbon molecuels *where possible* makes lots of sense to me. That my friend Eon, is my base belief, nothing more.


Again, you don't need to be insulting, and this time does not need to be a waste. Talking about subjects like these is a good excuse to research and learn about new things. I encourage you do do this too.

The science isn't bad - its the policy thats bad, and they should know it. They shouldn't try to push electricity down peoples throats, especially when its so expensive in Ontario. They should get the price down and get people to WANT to switch.

I'm done too on the subject. I enjoyed talking to you about it. Please don't insult me anymore, ok? It's uncalled for. Hand-shake?

This is why the planet will undergo a huge climate change, killing 99.999% of humans. Saving more would mean people living a little less affluently.

When plants and the herbivores that feed off them are dying. Food will skyrocket in price. Water will either be up to our necks because the ice caps have melted or as scarce as fine wine and cost as much.

All because it costs too much to go green or build huge safe guards. .

lol a little less affluently? you do realize poor people need electricity too. i know people who work for ontario welfare and they constantly have people calling who can't pay their bills and need the government to bail them out. this will only make it worse. most people live paycheck to paycheck and are not affluent.

You're missing the point. Poor people, the ill, infirm, etc. Are Fucked.

The world is doing what it has done for the last billion or so years. It's evolving and changing its climate.

It was only due to climate change that we humans evolved, walked out of Africa, don't compete with Neanderthals, see sabre tooth tigers, giant sloths, megafauna, etc. Roaming the countryside. Read this.

It's already happening now.

Water has to be the key element, assuming we don't gas ourselves to death first. Should that drop too low, crops fail people die in millions or billions? Should it rise too high, fields are swamped.

Can 7 billion survive that? NO.

Can some live off the sea? Yes, but only a select few. Which I'm sure is already being planned for the very rich and powerful.

I give it 100 years before the shit that's hitting the fan now starts to bounce back.

Now everyone can keep debating whether they will be able to afford to fill a gas guzzler, or keep the heating on.

What's your point? I know it can be done. The point is our government has not done this and doesn't appear to have any plans in works to do so.

So their retarded system has resulted in us having the highest and fastest growing electricuty costs in all of North America. People are already struggling to pay their hydro bills and now they want to force us to heat with it as well. And rates are set to continue to rise. The problem is not renewable energy but an incompetent government who act to save the environment before planning things correctly. They offer ridiculous subsidies to wind and solar generators when they should have had a system in place to store the energy before doing anything.

I've got a solar panel in my back yard that's probably the size of your house. I'm all for green enetgy. Unfortunately I need the revenue from it to pay my massive hydro bills because the whole system is fucked and looks like things will continue to get worse.

It is already bouncing back, as i dont remember seeing snow ever in late may in 31 years of my life.

i agree that it *could* happen but in the timeline you are talking about 100 years is nothing. it could easily be 1000-5000 years before anything major happens that will really take a chunk of the population out. regardless, this kind of climate change is really completely out of our control. sure we can do things that *might* slow it down but the reality is the earth is going to do what its going to do with or without us. for now im focused on the near future rather than that may happen in the distant.

Electricity bills will be the last of your problems. Affording food will come top of the list. In 2216.

Until then keep worrying about minor issues of fuel costs going up to slow down the process. By a few days.

People. This isn't something that can be stopped. It can be slowed down, we can even prepare for it. The costs are going to be huge. And probably more than most can afford.

https://www.google.cz/webhp?hl=en&gw...d+water+crisis

This is just the start. The problem is climate change and population increases. As I said give it 100 years. The younger ones will see it going pear shaped in 50 years.

Why are you blathering on about what might happen in 100 years. This thread is about the Ontario government fucking over its citizens today. They are making it impossible for people to survive TODAY.