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  • onwebcam
    Fake Nick 1.0
    • Oct 2005
    • 27689
    #1

    Trump delivered second blow to ACA and the do nothing Congress

    Obama was using money siphoned (stolen) from the private investors of Fannie and Freddie to pay the subsidies rather than get congressional approval. That all came to an end today. The government is set to lose a case brought on by the investors which will cost tax payers billions. Technically they already lost but it's up for appeal.



    President Trump will “immediately” halt subsidies to health insurers | Rare
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    • Bladewire
      StraightBro
      • Aug 2003
      • 56220
      #2
      Wrong.

      Get your facts straight


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        • onwebcam
          Fake Nick 1.0
          • Oct 2005
          • 27689
          #3
          Originally posted by Bladewire
          Wrong.

          Get your facts straight
          Facts are straight. They are using the claim of the money going into the general fund as an excuse that it's not what it's being used for but that's why they did what they did because ACA was unfunded. They will still lose the lawsuit and it will still cost us billions more.
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            • BaldBastard
              Too lazy to set a custom title
              • Jan 2001
              • 16957
              #4
              Health insurance in the USA is going to get interesting.

              Big premium increases for those that smoke/ drink or own guns and ultra low insurance for those that can submit full family history and dna tests.

              Its a sorry fucking country when money becomes your god, but... not my country

              It took Obama many years to overcome the fuckups of GW Bush, with Trump it wont be so easy and I doubt you will ever have someone as smart as Obama run again.

              I really feel very sorry for the USA.

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                • Rochard
                  Jägermeister Test Pilot
                  • Dec 2001
                  • 75770
                  #5
                  I'm just exhausted by all of this. I rarely watch the news any more.

                  From what I've read, it seems like trump did two things.

                  First, he removed the restrictions on what insurance they can offer. A big problem we had in the health was these stripped down healthcare packages. People thought they had healthcare, but when a serious problem came up they discovered things weren't covered, or they had caps on how much money the insurance would cover.

                  Second, the US government is not going to subsidize the payments to the healthcare. This means we will be paying full price for healthcare. In my case, my bill goes from $150 a month to $1100 a month - almost as much as my mortgage.

                  This is stunning. So now we are required, by law, to buy healthcare, and our healthcare will no longer be subsidized by the US government so for most people our healthcare bills will go through the roof. So less people will be insured, and it will cost more for the people who do pay for it. Then when less people are paying into the costs, the costs will go up even more.

                  This is going to be a massive failure, and it will fall at the feet of the Republicans.
                  Herschel Savage
                  Brooklyn, NY

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                    • onwebcam
                      Fake Nick 1.0
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 27689
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      I'm just exhausted by all of this. I rarely watch the news any more.

                      From what I've read, it seems like trump did two things.

                      First, he removed the restrictions on what insurance they can offer. A big problem we had in the health was these stripped down healthcare packages. People thought they had healthcare, but when a serious problem came up they discovered things weren't covered, or they had caps on how much money the insurance would cover.

                      Second, the US government is not going to subsidize the payments to the healthcare. This means we will be paying full price for healthcare. In my case, my bill goes from $150 a month to $1100 a month - almost as much as my mortgage.

                      This is stunning. So now we are required, by law, to buy healthcare, and our healthcare will no longer be subsidized by the US government so for most people our healthcare bills will go through the roof. So less people will be insured, and it will cost more for the people who do pay for it. Then when less people are paying into the costs, the costs will go up even more.

                      This is going to be a massive failure, and it will fall at the feet of the Republicans.
                      Trump is just pressuring the House and Senate to do something. Subsidy funding was going to end either way. He just sped up the process to light a fire under their asses. None of it's Trumps fault. It all rests with the House and Senate twiddling their thumbs. If they don't do something by the end of the year my bet is Trump removes the penalties as well. You can't lay blame on just the Republican's either. It's both sides.
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                        • Bladewire
                          StraightBro
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 56220
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Rochard
                          I'm just exhausted by all of this. I rarely watch the news any more.
                          Same. It's the same thing daily, Trump being irrational, testing a lie or contradicting, attacking the little, closer to war with NK & Iran, rolling back something Obama, etc. etc.

                          Trump only caters to his small core racist base and ignores the rest of the countries needs, a true cuck


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                            • kane
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Aug 2001
                              • 20684
                              #8
                              If Trump and the Congress can't come up with some kind of a solution for the subsidy issue and those payments end, it will be the death of Obamacare.

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                                • beerptrol
                                  Confirmed Asshole
                                  • Feb 2003
                                  • 12722
                                  #9
                                  Chump is a fucking moron.

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                                    • Barry-xlovecam
                                      It's 42
                                      • Jun 2010
                                      • 18083
                                      #10
                                      Trump's son in law's brother is the VC of a healthcare startup that reportedly is failing -- selling lesser insurance

                                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenb.../#1d677d84f240

                                      The actual running of the business has been harder than expected. It turns out that creating a slick user experience was the simple part. Building health networks, attracting customers and managing high patient costs was expensive. Oscar lost $120 million in 2015 and $205 million in 2016. But it is not alone in its struggle in the individual insurance exchanges. Giants like United Healthcare and Aetna have aggressively abandoned unprofitable regions. Oscar still has plenty of capital in the bank, but with a decline this year in enrollments, from 140,000 to 105,000 (after exiting risky markets), it clearly erred in terms of overall demand.

                                      As with Obamacare itself, Kushner and Oscar have scaled back expectations. The company has pulled out of money-losing markets to focus on three metropolitan areas--New York, San Antonio and Los Angeles. While Oscar initially strove for the biggest health network possible, it now partners with hospital systems, sharing risk and aligning pricing incentives with the goal of driving down costs.

                                      While the company says the failed Obamacare repeal is good news, the events of the past several weeks will not cure its ills. Oscar had already been urgently shifting toward a world without the Affordable Care Act and its individual mandate, launching an insurance product for small business--the hope is that its flashy tech will lead to big corporate deals (possible first targets: investors Google and Fidelity). ...
                                      Read: interstate heathcare insurance sales ...

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                                        • kane
                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                          • Aug 2001
                                          • 20684
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                          Trump's son in law's brother is the VC of a healthcare startup that reportedly is failing -- selling lesser insurance

                                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenb.../#1d677d84f240



                                          Read: interstate heathcare insurance sales ...
                                          There are already several states that allow companies to cross state lines and sell insurance policies in them and so far they have had zero companies take them up on the offer because the potential profit isn't worth the trouble. Republicans love to tout this as miracle fix, but I doubt it will do much of anything.

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                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                              It's 42
                                              • Jun 2010
                                              • 18083
                                              #12
                                              Healthcare is regulated by each state by their own terms that cannot be below that of federal laws.

                                              So, lower the bar for the healthy to insure and raise the bar (costs) for those sick that really need healthcare insurance. Those sick people deserve to pay more or they can just drop dead?

                                              Got bad news for the healthy -- don't get sick in America!

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                                                • crockett
                                                  in a van by the river
                                                  • May 2003
                                                  • 76818
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by kane
                                                  If Trump and the Congress can't come up with some kind of a solution for the subsidy issue and those payments end, it will be the death of Obamacare.
                                                  It will be the death of insurance because coverage for everyone not just Obamacare is going to sky rocket.

                                                  This will cost millions of people their health insurance and everyone will know who to blame.. and it won't be Obama.
                                                  In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                    • kane
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                      • 20684
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by crockett
                                                      It will be the death of insurance because coverage for everyone not just Obamacare is going to sky rocket.

                                                      This will cost millions of people their health insurance and everyone will know who to blame.. and it won't be Obama.
                                                      Yep, if the subsidies are removed millions will be priced out of the market, leaving only those who are healthy and young and buying the cheapest policies possible and those who are extremely sick left and the insurance companies don't make much money from them so they will continue to raise their rates or simply pull out of many markets because they can't make a profit there any longer.

                                                      As someone with a preexisting condition, I fear it will go back to how things were before Obamacare where I had a shitty buffalo policy and paid for everything out of pocket which sucked bad.

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                                                        • Rochard
                                                          Jägermeister Test Pilot
                                                          • Dec 2001
                                                          • 75770
                                                          #15
                                                          So less people on healthcare and more costs. And when we need point blame on someone, we will all point at Trump.
                                                          Herschel Savage
                                                          Brooklyn, NY

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                                                            • ~Ray
                                                              visit hardlinks.org
                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                              • 18361
                                                              #16
                                                              You can join the VA health benefits program for free. That will satisfy your health insurance mandate.
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                                                                • bronco67
                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                  • Dec 2006
                                                                  • 29026
                                                                  #17
                                                                  It seems like all Trump is good at doing is wrecking things. He did that in business, and is now doing it as president. Let's see that fucker create something for once.

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                                                                    • Bladewire
                                                                      StraightBro
                                                                      • Aug 2003
                                                                      • 56220
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                      There are already several states that allow companies to cross state lines and sell insurance policies in them and so far they have had zero companies take them up on the offer because the potential profit isn't worth the trouble. Republicans love to tout this as miracle fix, but I doubt it will do much of anything.
                                                                      The companies that do the cross state health insurance sales are mostly scam pump and dump companies that go bankrupt. Lots of deductions and "losses" on paper the first 5 or so years in then they stop paying claims, go bankrupt and the health insurance customers are fucked.


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                                                                        • Bladewire
                                                                          StraightBro
                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                          • 56220
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by bronco67
                                                                          It seems like all Trump is good at doing is wrecking things. He did that in business, and is now doing it as president. Let's see that fucker create something for once.
                                                                          Trump is a 71 year old morbidly obese bald geriatric he's just happy all of his debt will be gone after being president so his family can prosper after he's dead which will be sooner than later of course.


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                                                                            • crockett
                                                                              in a van by the river
                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                              • 76818
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Chump breaks it, now he & Republicans own it.. It can now be hung around their neck except instead of being fake out rage like from the right it will be real outrage from millions who loose their health insurance.
                                                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                • Bladewire
                                                                                  StraightBro
                                                                                  • Aug 2003
                                                                                  • 56220
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  ^^^ Truth


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                                                                                    • bronco67
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Dec 2006
                                                                                      • 29026
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Does Trump have any actual ideas to move things forward, other than just looking at what Obama did and trying to undo it? That's pretty much all he's done. Just like in business, he's only good at leaving a trail of destruction wherever he goes. He's also been exposed as a MAJOR, blatant fucking golf cheater. Of all the low shit Donald Trump is capable of, that's just about the lowest.

                                                                                      He just may the scummiest piece of garbage to ever live, let alone be president. Fred Trump should have pulled out that night and shot his rancid load on momma's back.

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                                                                                        • Paul Markham
                                                                                          Too old to care
                                                                                          • Jun 2001
                                                                                          • 52942
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Your health industry is a complete fuck up. Because your politicians can't do what's best for Americans.



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                                                                                            • Busty2
                                                                                              Member since 1999
                                                                                              • Dec 2007
                                                                                              • 7200
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Trump delivered second blow to low income Americans

                                                                                              All this shit head CHUMP wants to do is undone anything and everything Obama put in place. He has absolutely zero idea or ability to replace the things he is destroying


                                                                                              Trump delivered second blow to low income Americans

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                                                                                                • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                  Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                  • 51258
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by Rochard
                                                                                                  I'm just exhausted by all of this.
                                                                                                  Me too. He just seems to bulldoze through everything. Even if he gets kicked out tomorrow he will still have everything he ever wanted including billions more for his family once the new tax code is approved.

                                                                                                  I hate to say it but I think Trump is unstoppable now. Righties win, Libbies lose. Sorry for all the negative posts. Peace and sigh.

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                                                                                                    • pimpmaster9000
                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                      • Dec 2011
                                                                                                      • 26730
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Us healthcare has become auto trolling...it trolls itself so hard that there is nothing I can say to up the ante...
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                                                                                                        • VRPdommy
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Oct 2014
                                                                                                          • 13000
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          This is really about having money for tax breaks.
                                                                                                          The ACA was not imploding as bad or as fast as they told us, so it needed some help.

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