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  • dyna mo
    just a fucking jerk
    • Dec 2008
    • 68184
    #1

    heads up: Tesla will fail.

    as much as i want them to succeed, there are too many obstacles in the way

    1. horrible reliability

    2. unproven driveline

    3. warranty issues

    4. overwhelmed charging network

    5. one dimensional gigafactory

    6. can't meet production goals/delays

    7. competition



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    • TrafficTitan
      Confirmed User
      • Nov 2012
      • 350
      #2
      I have a Tesla it's an excellent car. You are wrong on all points except #6.
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        • Colmike9
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          • Dec 2011
          • 7230
          #3
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            • Mickey_
              • Nov 2005
              • 4238
              #4
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                • dyna mo
                  just a fucking jerk
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 68184
                  #5
                  Originally posted by TrafficTitan
                  I have a Tesla it's an excellent car. You are wrong on all points except #6.
                  anecdotal.

                  no offense to your car, but overall reliability of Tesla model S is abysmal, it's a worst of the worst used cars with a record of below average overall reliability.

                  the driveline is completely unproven. it's only a couple years old and even Tesla states that warranty issues haven't been determined due to the lack of time on the driveline

                  the charging network is already overwhelmed. reports are unanimous across the internet.

                  the gigafactory makes 1 type of battery, lithium ion. when battery technology changes, and it will, the factory will be rendered entirely obsolete

                  all the big manufacturers are already gearing up to take on Tesla head on.

                  those aren't my opinions, those are facts.

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                    • mikeworks
                      Confirmed User
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 272
                      #6
                      4. is the biggest problem, there is currently insufficient power stations to charge them all.

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                        • Relentless
                          www.EngineFood.com
                          • Aug 2006
                          • 5697
                          #7
                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                          as much as i want them to succeed, there are too many obstacles in the way
                          Running a knockoff business is about all those things. Running a breakthrough business is ONLY about the people involved. Breakthrough businesses defy all of that because they have an Edison or a Steve Jobs or a Branson.... or a Musk.

                          Elon Musk is now in the category of "I wouldn't bet against him if he said he was starting a business selling chainsaws to infants."

                          The guy just landed a fucking rocket on a tiny barge in the middle of the ocean... he can likely make a successful electric car too....

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                            • dyna mo
                              just a fucking jerk
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 68184
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Mickey_
                              In the red corner:
                              Elon Musk

                              In the blue corner:
                              Porn webmaster posting on a site called GoFuckYourself.com

                              Place your bets and let's get ready to rrrrrrrumble!
                              i've done my research both on purchasing a Tesla and investing in TeslaMotors. you can believe the hype about elon musk. i'll stick to facts.

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                                • Mickey_
                                  • Nov 2005
                                  • 4238
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                  i've done my research both on purchasing a Tesla and investing in TeslaMotors. you can believe the hype about elon musk. i'll stick to facts.
                                  I favor track record over hype.


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                                    • Relentless
                                      www.EngineFood.com
                                      • Aug 2006
                                      • 5697
                                      #10
                                      Incidentally....

                                      Home Depot is not a hardware store, they are a financing and warranty provider that happens to use hardware items as a way to sell those services.

                                      Tesla is not a car company. They are a battery R&D firm that happens to use electric automobiles as a way to educate consumers and fund their technological advancement.


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                                        • AntonMG
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jul 2014
                                          • 596
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by TrafficTitan
                                          I have a Tesla it's an excellent car. You are wrong on all points except #6.
                                          For #4, wait until model 3 hits the market.

                                          I really hope they will scale up quickly...
                                          Unlucky GFY Newbie of the Year 2016 nominee...

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                                            • dyna mo
                                              just a fucking jerk
                                              • Dec 2008
                                              • 68184
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Mickey_
                                              I favor track record over hype.
                                              then you're aware of how poorly Tesla ranks in overall reliability.

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                                                • dyna mo
                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                  • 68184
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by AntonMG
                                                  For #4, wait until model 3 hits the market.

                                                  I really hope they will scale up quickly...
                                                  they have to scale from 50000 unreliable cars/year to 300,000+ reliable cars/year in 2 years to meet the presales orders for the model 3

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                                                    • JFK
                                                      FUBAR the ORIGINATOR
                                                      • Jan 2002
                                                      • 67373
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Mickey_
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                                                        • Mickey_
                                                          • Nov 2005
                                                          • 4238
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                          then you're aware of how poorly Tesla ranks in overall reliability.
                                                          On paper the iPhone uses outdated hardware, is overpriced and isn't the most reliable out of all smartphone options. Now ask most iPhone users whether they feel the same about their device.

                                                          Perception is reality...and the rest sorts itself out with a little help from someone with a track record like that of Musk's.


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                                                            • Relentless
                                                              www.EngineFood.com
                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                              • 5697
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                              they have to scale from 50000 unreliable cars/year to 300,000+ reliable cars/year in 2 years to meet the presales orders for the model 3
                                                              No... they don't.

                                                              Apple also doesn't have to make the iPhone better than Android. People will be told Tesla can't keep up with demand, and they will wait anyway. People will be told Tesla is not as good as carX and they will want one anyway.

                                                              The people who slept outside Apple stores to get the new iPhone weren't annoyed they had to wait outside in the cold, and were aware they could just wait a week and get one with no line.

                                                              You are underestimating the brand value of Tesla and the people running it. They are not a car company. Apple is not a gadget company. They are marketing geniuses who will convince the world that waiting is better, that delays are important, that patience is a virtue and that better competitors are not as inspiring.


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                                                                • Relentless
                                                                  www.EngineFood.com
                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                  • 5697
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Mickey_
                                                                  On paper the iPhone uses outdated hardware, is overpriced and isn't the most reliable out of all smartphone options. Now ask most iPhone users whether they feel the same about their device. Perception is reality...and the rest sorts itself out with a little help from someone with a track record like that of Musk's.
                                                                  This.

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                                                                    • Helix
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 6021
                                                                      #18
                                                                      We all have invested in Tesla Motors even if we didn't want to. It will be just another mistake in the long line of failed taxpayer funded projects ($4.9 billion in government subsidies) the genius's in DC decided to spend our money on.

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                                                                        • 12clicks
                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                          • Jan 2001
                                                                          • 19813
                                                                          #19
                                                                          once the billions of dollars in government handouts end, so will tesla.
                                                                          Just like all of the fake solar companies.
                                                                          It's money squandered, not on research but on faking that today's technology works at anything close to profitability
                                                                          I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                            • Fat Panda
                                                                              Porn is Dead. Move along.
                                                                              • Aug 2006
                                                                              • 13296
                                                                              #20
                                                                              you're absolutely right...

                                                                              tesla is a fucking joke and without billions is govt subsidies would not exist

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                                                                                • Relentless
                                                                                  www.EngineFood.com
                                                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                                                  • 5697
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by 12clicks
                                                                                  once the billions of dollars in government handouts end, so will tesla. Just like all of the fake solar companies. It's money squandered, not on research but on faking that today's technology works at anything close to profitability
                                                                                  R&D is exactly what governments SHOULD invest in...

                                                                                  I'd rather they did it with DARPA and NASA than Tesla, so the tech was all public domain... but better they fund it this way than not at all.


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                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Relentless
                                                                                      No... they don't.

                                                                                      Apple also doesn't have to make the iPhone better than Android. People will be told Tesla can't keep up with demand, and they will wait anyway. People will be told Tesla is not as good as carX and they will want one anyway.

                                                                                      The people who slept outside Apple stores to get the new iPhone weren't annoyed they had to wait outside in the cold, and were aware they could just wait a week and get one with no line.

                                                                                      You are underestimating the brand value of Tesla and the people running it. They are not a car company. Apple is not a gadget company. They are marketing geniuses who will convince the world that waiting is better, that delays are important, that patience is a virtue and that better competitors are not as inspiring.
                                                                                      It's entirely inappropriate to compare Tesla with Apple. Building cars is orders of magnitude more complex than assembling smart phones.

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                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by Mickey_
                                                                                          On paper the iPhone uses outdated hardware, is overpriced and isn't the most reliable out of all smartphone options. Now ask most iPhone users whether they feel the same about their device.

                                                                                          Perception is reality...and the rest sorts itself out with a little help from someone with a track record like that of Musk's.
                                                                                          People don't rely on the safety and reliability of their iPhone to get them to work and back day in and day out.

                                                                                          It's not a realistic comparison.

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                                                                                            • crockett
                                                                                              in a van by the river
                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                              • 76818
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by Relentless
                                                                                              R&D is exactly what governments SHOULD invest in...

                                                                                              I'd rather they did it with DARPA and NASA than Tesla, so the tech was all public domain... but better they fund it this way than not at all.
                                                                                              Musk has released much of his findings to the public domain.
                                                                                              In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                                                                                • TheSquealer
                                                                                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                                                                                  • Oct 2004
                                                                                                  • 26174
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Some of you dimwits are comical. Tesla is not a charity, it's a publicly traded company and the investors expect a profit, not a feel good story.
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                                                                                                    • Matyko
                                                                                                      PsyHead
                                                                                                      • Aug 2005
                                                                                                      • 8681
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by Mickey_
                                                                                                      In the red corner:
                                                                                                      Elon Musk

                                                                                                      In the blue corner:
                                                                                                      Porn webmaster posting on a site called GoFuckYourself.com

                                                                                                      Place your bets and let's get ready to rrrrrrrumble!
                                                                                                      Elon Musk is Da Phucking Man!

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                                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Matyko
                                                                                                          Elon Musk is Da Phucking Man!

                                                                                                          I Luv your post Mickey and hope you're 100% OK after the sunny Arizona case
                                                                                                          Comparing my pragmatic and realistic view of the product and manufacturer with the CEO of that manufacturer shows just how much emotion is being played into this.

                                                                                                          A porner on GFY trying to make a snarky comparison between elon Musk and a gfyer is yet another invalid comparison when it comes to Tesla.

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                                                                                                            • Sednub997
                                                                                                              Naked in my bathroom
                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                              • 6174
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              im going to buy Tesla one day.You wont change my mind



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                                                                                                                • AMDWarrior
                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                  • Nov 2006
                                                                                                                  • 1488
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                  Comparing my pragmatic and realistic view of the product and manufacturer with the CEO of that manufacturer shows just how much emotion is being played into this.

                                                                                                                  A porner on GFY trying to make a snarky comparison between elon Musk and a gfyer is yet another invalid comparison when it comes to Tesla.




                                                                                                                  LOL idiot

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                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by AMDWarrior
                                                                                                                      LOL idiot

                                                                                                                      I hope this makes you feel better about yourself.

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                                                                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                          • 68184
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Sednub997
                                                                                                                          im going to buy Tesla one day.You wont change my mind
                                                                                                                          I'm not trying to change your mind. I've been at the GFY long enough to know minds don't get changed here.

                                                                                                                          I stated in the op I want Tesla to succeed. We want a model 3 and have a spot in our modest stock portfolio for long position on tsla. I not able to justify either one, I shared the reasons for that.

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                                                                                                                            • shake
                                                                                                                              frc
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                              • 4663
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              I dont know much about them, but to me 4 and 6 seem to be symptoms of success, not reasons they will fail.
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                                                                                                                                • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                  just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                  • 68184
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by shake
                                                                                                                                  I dont know much about them, but to me 4 and 6 seem to be symptoms of success, not reasons they will fail.
                                                                                                                                  Their charging network is already experiencing long wait times with the current number of cars on the road, they're planning on exponentially increasing the number of their cars putting it ven more stress on the network.

                                                                                                                                  If they can't reach current production goals of 50000/year now, it's highly unlikely they will meet the targets set and needed in less than 4 more years, which is the plan set forth- 500000 cars per year by 2020. 10x current production numbers.

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                                                                                                                                    • Joshua G
                                                                                                                                      dumb libs love censorship
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2008
                                                                                                                                      • 8198
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I agree with those who say the brand name is platinum class, even with the horrific reliability. Tesla is, to some extent, like lamborghini...impractical, but divine to own when they work. the owners put up with the charging headaches.

                                                                                                                                      the question is, as far as tesla surviving, is making the numbers work. the wildcard on this matter is whether tesla can make the model 3 more reliable than the model S. If not, its never going to be a profitable company. But it may get by on branding alone as investors seek to keep mining for gold.

                                                                                                                                      i think they should just stick to small volume, hi end owners. they should look to be like ferrari not like GM.

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                                                                                                                                        • pimpmaster9000
                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                          • 26732
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          reliability will improve given that there are fewer parts in an electric car and the new generations will have most problems solved...

                                                                                                                                          a giga factory can be adapted...

                                                                                                                                          charging networks can be added or even franchised to private businesses...

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                                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                              • 68184
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                                                                                                              I agree with those who say the brand name is platinum class, even with the horrific reliability. Tesla is, to some extent, like lamborghini...impractical, but divine to own when they work. the owners put up with the charging headaches.

                                                                                                                                              the question is, as far as tesla surviving, is making the numbers work. the wildcard on this matter is whether tesla can make the model 3 more reliable than the model S. If not, its never going to be a profitable company. But it may get by on branding alone as investors seek to keep mining for gold.

                                                                                                                                              i think they should just stick to small volume, hi end owners. they should look to be like ferrari not like GM.

                                                                                                                                              another wildcard: lithium, the new gasoline. Most ALL of the world's lithium supply is in Argentina. and Tesla isn't the only EV with plenty more from the other manufacturers coming, including China

                                                                                                                                              moreover, Tesla needs/requires ALL of that lithium:

                                                                                                                                              "Elon himself mentioned during the Model 3 unveiling that Tesla will be gobbling up much of the world’s lithium supply with plans to produce 500,000 EVs per year. “In order to produce a half million cars per year…we would basically need to absorb the entire world’s lithium-ion production.”

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                                                                                                                                                • pimpmaster9000
                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                                  • 26732
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                  another wildcard: lithium, the new gasoline. Most ALL of the world's lithium supply is in Argentina. and Tesla isn't the only EV with plenty more from the other manufacturers coming, including China

                                                                                                                                                  moreover, Tesla needs/requires ALL of that lithium:

                                                                                                                                                  "Elon himself mentioned during the Model 3 unveiling that Tesla will be gobbling up much of the world?s lithium supply with plans to produce 500,000 EVs per year. ?In order to produce a half million cars per year?we would basically need to absorb the entire world?s lithium-ion production.?
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                                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by crucifissio
                                                                                                                                                      China is full of lithium shut up fag
                                                                                                                                                      Nevertheless. You're deluded if you think China's gonna ship their lithium here instead of their own battery factories.

                                                                                                                                                      The name calling cracks my shit up.

                                                                                                                                                      Even if I were an idiot fag that's not as big an entrepreneur as musk, that doesn't negate the facts I've pointed out that Tesla has huge issues long term.

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                                                                                                                                                        • kane
                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                          • 20684
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          What we might be forgetting is that Tesla is still a very new car company. They are going to go through some growing pains. Personally, I think electric cars are the future and I think the prices of them will continue to drop as the quality of them continues to increase. Tesla will have to make adjustments to stay with the growing market and like any other company they will need to continue to improve their product. Will they? Who knows. For all we know they will sell off the car division and become an aerospace company or simply a battery and technology company.

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                                                                                                                                                            • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                              • 68184
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by kane
                                                                                                                                                              What we might be forgetting is that Tesla is still a very new car company. They are going to go through some growing pains. Personally, I think electric cars are the future and I think the prices of them will continue to drop as the quality of them continues to increase. Tesla will have to make adjustments to stay with the growing market and like any other company they will need to continue to improve their product. Will they? Who knows. For all we know they will sell off the car division and become an aerospace company or simply a battery and technology company.
                                                                                                                                                              not only are they a new [car] company, they're attempting to disrupt the entire car industry and consequently, others. those are lofty goals and i applaud them for them, and hope they succeed.

                                                                                                                                                              but the hurdles are immense. heck, looking into lithium, it's price has doubled in the last 6 months and goldman sachs has put it in play as an emerging market to drive the price up for profit taking.

                                                                                                                                                              Spiking Lithium Prices Could Dent Tesla's Profits - Breitbart

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                                                                                                                                                                • romeo22
                                                                                                                                                                  你自己去他媽的
                                                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2008
                                                                                                                                                                  • 23350
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  There is a huge interest for buying Tesla's car.They can be modify the car later and make it better

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                                                                                                                                                                    • fistinface
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                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2012
                                                                                                                                                                      • 173
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Phew... I'm so glad you're here to give your opinion on this matter to us.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • 2MuchMark
                                                                                                                                                                          Mark of 2Much.net
                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                                          • 50977
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          as much as i want them to succeed, there are too many obstacles in the way
                                                                                                                                                                          You know they've been in business for 8 years now, right?

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          1. horrible reliability
                                                                                                                                                                          Prove it.


                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          2. unproven driveline
                                                                                                                                                                          You've never driven a Tesla.

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          3. warranty issues
                                                                                                                                                                          Such as?

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          4. overwhelmed charging network
                                                                                                                                                                          A few customers waiting doesn't mean "overwhelmed", and waiting at a few stations doesn't mean overwhelmed network. Lol!

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          5. one dimensional gigafactory
                                                                                                                                                                          The batteries, like the tech in the cars, are open source. hardly one dimensional.

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                          6. can't meet production goals/delays
                                                                                                                                                                          The waiting to get a Model S is only a few weeks. The wait time for a custom-made GM is 2 months.

                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by dyna mo

                                                                                                                                                                          7. competition
                                                                                                                                                                          Like who? All other EV's (including my Chevy Volt) get much less battery range and aren't nearly as fast. The upcoming Chevy Bolt is still a year away. The BMW i8 is sexy on the outside dumb as a post on the inside. ("Fake" motor noise through the speakers, LOL!) The Mitsubishi EV is ok but no where near any other EV. Tesla is win, win, win all around.

                                                                                                                                                                          And then there is this:

                                                                                                                                                                          Tesla Model 3 'approaching' 400,000 pre-orders as GM boss throws shade | ZDNet

                                                                                                                                                                          Epic Fail, Sir Mo, Epic fail.


                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Mickey_
                                                                                                                                                                          In the red corner:
                                                                                                                                                                          Elon Musk

                                                                                                                                                                          In the blue corner:
                                                                                                                                                                          Porn webmaster posting on a site called GoFuckYourself.com

                                                                                                                                                                          Place your bets and let's get ready to rrrrrrrumble!
                                                                                                                                                                          Yep.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • davidclickpapa
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                                                                                                                                                                              • May 2015
                                                                                                                                                                              • 983
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Mickey_
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                                                                                                                                                                                • pimpmaster9000
                                                                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2011
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 26732
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                  Nevertheless. You're deluded if you think China's gonna ship their lithium here instead of their own battery factories.

                                                                                                                                                                                  The name calling cracks my shit up.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Even if I were an idiot fag that's not as big an entrepreneur as musk, that doesn't negate the facts I've pointed out that Tesla has huge issues long term.
                                                                                                                                                                                  bolivia and chile have hella reserves too, and the actual % of lithium in the battery is at 3% even if prices skyrocket its not exactly going to break the bank for musk...

                                                                                                                                                                                  want to know the real danger for musk? mercedes is entering the electric car arena in a serious way...merc has 100 years experience going for them and hella brand...
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                                                                                                                                                                                    • PaulBaker
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2015
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 28
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                      as much as i want them to succeed, there are too many obstacles in the way
                                                                                                                                                                                      Bet your Grandpappy said the same about Henry Ford too.

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • slapass
                                                                                                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 14625
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't think you have driven one. No one is buying it for the reliability.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • seeandsee
                                                                                                                                                                                              Check SIG!
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Mar 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 50945
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Tesla will win!
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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                                                                  It's 42
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 18083
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  I am voting for hydrogen fuel cells or some other new technology for long haul transportation fuel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Electric cars will be practical for intra-urban transport. Most travel is commuting and local -- Tesla3 is a reasonably priced value -- you can see this by the pre-sells to date

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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 68184
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by fistinface
                                                                                                                                                                                                      Phew... I'm so glad you're here to give your opinion on this matter to us.
                                                                                                                                                                                                      You're welcome.

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