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  • Vendot
    Confirmed User
    • May 2002
    • 3376
    #46
    Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
    It's the dynamic tension between the two extremes that is the only answer.
    Thats rubbish. Much better to say "is the only answer that we know in the western world." It doesn't work that way at all in the Middle East or anywhere in Asia and the system works just fine.
    "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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      • Paul Markham
        Too old to care
        • Jun 2001
        • 52942
        #47
        Originally posted by SilentKnight
        Around here we heap a good percentage of blame on unions. They forced the wages to become so outrageously jacked the companies said 'fuck it...we can no longer compete' - and closed/moved shop.
        This only applied when there was no Third World exporting goods.

        I will agree that Unions are very anti-modernisation. At the moment, they want to keep the old Steel plants open by spending taxpayers money. The car industry had to be closed down, so a new one could be built to replace it.



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          • Paul Markham
            Too old to care
            • Jun 2001
            • 52942
            #48
            Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
            That's actually at the crux of the issue. Who gets the money, the owners or the workers? (The Owners always get more anyway, just how MUCH is the point.) And, in the end, the Government (theoretically "the People") is the only entity that can keep the balance. If the answer is "the owners" then we have what we have now. If the answer is "the workers" then we have Communism.

            It's the dynamic tension between the two extremes that is the only answer. Yet that takes diligence, fortitude and keeping corruption at a minimum. Good luck there. LOL
            It's about balance. The Owners have to earn more than the workers. The workers need to be in the country of sales and earning enough to drive an economy with a huge retail sector.

            Communism is everyone on a closer level and sharing the wealth. so the toilet porter earns nearly as much as the top people. Making the top job so unattractive few bother.



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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942
                #49
                [QUOTE=galleryseek;20820380]I never claimed anyone was responsible for any of that. You were making the claim that we need taxation because police, ambulance, fire and if it were privatized, some people wouldn't receive said services. And I said you're right, and what's wrong with that? If you care about people who didn't pay in advanced, help them out voluntarily.

                You said; Right, do you have something against personal responsibility? I pointed out that they have no power over the causes.


                Of course it's the government's fault. These US businesses don't have some sort of weird hate for the US. Generally speaking, successful business men are smart, and will do business where they can make the most profit. This doesn't make them bad people.
                Yes the Government should make sure companies who want to sell in the West, produce in the West of buy goods from the West in the same amount. Balanced trade. Works best for the people in the West, except the top businessmen. Who then send the profit to tax havens.

                Yes. I've got 99 problems but capitalism isn't one of them. The other 99 problems can be attributed to the state.
                would more customers in the West solve some of those problems?



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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942
                    #50
                    Originally posted by Vendot
                    Thats rubbish. Much better to say "is the only answer that we know in the western world." It doesn't work that way at all in the Middle East or anywhere in Asia and the system works just fine.
                    Their systems would make you very poor.



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                      • Vendot
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2002
                        • 3376
                        #51
                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                        Their systems would make you very poor.
                        According to who? I live in the Middle East and it's no mystery that they have very vibrant, fast growing economies here and throughout Asia.
                        "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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                          • Vendot
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2002
                            • 3376
                            #52
                            People really don't understand how the capitalist system works. On a smaller level, one man left the state of New Jersey (in the USA) and the whole state had to re-think its budget:

                            The entire state of New Jersey has to rethink its budget because one guy moved - Business Insider
                            "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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                              • SilentKnight
                                Megan Fox's fluffer
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 24818
                                #53
                                Originally posted by The Porn Nerd
                                That's actually at the crux of the issue. Who gets the money, the owners or the workers? (The Owners always get more anyway, just how MUCH is the point.) And, in the end, the Government (theoretically "the People") is the only entity that can keep the balance. If the answer is "the owners" then we have what we have now. If the answer is "the workers" then we have Communism.

                                It's the dynamic tension between the two extremes that is the only answer. Yet that takes diligence, fortitude and keeping corruption at a minimum. Good luck there. LOL
                                Well said.

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                                  • Vendot
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • May 2002
                                    • 3376
                                    #54
                                    Originally posted by SilentKnight
                                    Well said.
                                    It was very well said. I agree that the delivery was good and some idiots like you will fall for that.

                                    It's just a shame that content was bullshit.
                                    "In a Time of Universal Deceit, Telling the Truth is a Revolutionary Act." - George Orwell

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