Can Trump handle making war with Iran while trade war with China ?

[VRPdommy]

Can Trump handle making war with Iran while trade war with China ?

The real reasons of the recent tariff announcements with China were that they will buy oil from Iran. And made such announcement and Trump then stated nobody gets a exemption on this one.

If anyone thinks Iraq was a cakewalk or Isis, wait till we try putting the fire out with gasoline. Iran is not going to back down and we have put our allies in a very tough spot so we will be going it alone.

I still believe it all has more to do with the Saudi's than anything else. But I would not be opposed for a attempt to keep them boxed into their border. But I fear the worst here.
Been watching it coming for some time.
Escalation by escalation... war is in the air.

Where will these refugee's flee ? not many places for them to go.

[Bladewire]

The only reason he's starting conflict with Iran is to Gin up support for his re-election.

Trump tweeted when Obama was running for re-election that he would start a war with Iran to gain support, which Obama never did.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Bladewire

The only reason he's starting conflict with Iran is to Gin up support for his re-election.

Trump tweeted when Obama was running for re-election that he would start a war with Iran to gain support, which Obama never did.

I thought that went without saying. NK to hot for him to handle.
I don't think anyone realizes just how dangerous this play is.
There is a lot of stealth aircraft in the sky right now as viewed by the tankers that refuel them.

[pimpmaster9000]

if you let trump bankrupt you he will...he is a chapter 11 specialist...the father of modern bankruptcy...he can do it no problem...

[thommy]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

I thought that went without saying. NK to hot for him to handle.
I don't think anyone realizes just how dangerous this play is.
There is a lot of stealth aircraft in the sky right now as viewed by the tankers that refuel them.

iran is a lot more complicated to handle as kim.
and not even kim have any respect from trump. he prefers to talk to china and putin.

if you look at the iran history you can see that the next generation of this country will be the one what can change things there.
and THIS is the problem because peace in the world is the very last that usa needs.

the US is mainly living form weapon exports. there was not one day since WW2 when america was not in war with some country.
but actually these are not wars - these are exhibitions for weapons.

peace in the world is the bankruptcy of a country that have nothing to export than arms.

and one of the biggest buyers for US weapons is saudi arabia.
MOST terrorists in the world are saudies
the 9/11 attackers have been mostly saudies
saudies kill people even in other countries when they are critical.
trump is the best friend of the saudies.

count 1 + 1 together and you know that ALL this conflicts are made to sell arms and get the power in oil and gas.

this is ONE of the reasons why the west is working so hard on alternative energies because if this gas and oil is not interesting anymore it will be the end of a big weapon deals. the one way to deal with that is to accept the climate change and put the power of production and the know how of wise people into alternatives.
as trump already closed this door, the other way to deal with it is throwing oil in the fire and keep wars and terror going on.

nothing more obvious than that.

[Rochard]

The United States can whip Iran in a matter of months.

Take a good look at what we did in Iraq. Some will argue the "war with Iraq" lasted "years", but the truth is the Iraqi military and Iraqi government fell quickly. The very first strike against Iraq completely destroyed their communications systems, which ended their ability to communicate. A war with Iran would be very similar. Such countries cannot fight a war against a large modern country. Larger, modern countries can strike out at such countries without ever being seen.

An occupation, however, is a different story.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by VRPdommy

Can Trump handle making war with Iran while trade war with China ?

The real reasons of the recent tariff announcements with China were that they will buy oil from Iran. And made such announcement and Trump then stated nobody gets a exemption on this one.

If anyone thinks Iraq was a cakewalk or Isis, wait till we try putting the fire out with gasoline. Iran is not going to back down and we have put our allies in a very tough spot so we will be going it alone.

I still believe it all has more to do with the Saudi's than anything else. But I would not be opposed for a attempt to keep them boxed into their border. But I fear the worst here.
Been watching it coming for some time.
Escalation by escalation... war is in the air.

Where will these refugee's flee ? not many places for them to go.

Oh yeah. You can bet that if Trump's mouth gets him into a war that everyone else will sit this one out. Because no one likes Donald Trump, except for the Russian puppeteer with his hand up his ass.

[Bladewire]

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[thommy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The United States can whip Iran in a matter of months.

Take a good look at what we did in Iraq. Some will argue the "war with Iraq" lasted "years", but the truth is the Iraqi military and Iraqi government fell quickly. The very first strike against Iraq completely destroyed their communications systems, which ended their ability to communicate. A war with Iran would be very similar. Such countries cannot fight a war against a large modern country. Larger, modern countries can strike out at such countries without ever being seen.

An occupation, however, is a different story.

show me just one country in the middle east where things became better after a military intervention.

and yes - a conventional war they can not win and this is why this kind of policy leaves them with 2 alternatives:

1. become a nuclear power
2. fight back with terror

this problems are hand made by the US - and not only since trump.
he is just making it worse by extending this kind of stupidy to the whole planet.

a country that's been waging war for 80 years without interruption, leading dozens of countries into misery has already proven that it doesn't work.

750 billion defense budget didn't protect you from putin using the cheapest methods of modern communication to rush the whole western world to each other like fighting dogs and to tear themselves apart.
putin sits in his kremlin and laughs his ass off.

[pimpmaster9000]

Originally Posted by thommy

show me just one country in the middle east where things became better after a military intervention.

and yes - a conventional war they can not win and this is why this kind of policy leaves them with 2 alternatives:

1. become a nuclear power
2. fight back with terror

.

3. sweet sweet bacteria


massive advantages:

1) no delivery mechanism necessary
2) cheap to develop
3) you need just one guy on foreign soil with a single amp
4) it pisses the USA off
5) it pisses the USA off
6) it pisses the USA off
7) you make other countries protect you...survival is now their problem
8) you can invest in healthcare and education
9) nobody can ever sanction your country ever...especially not the USA...because: extinction

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

The United States can whip Iran in a matter of months.

Take a good look at what we did in Iraq. Some will argue the "war with Iraq" lasted "years", but the truth is the Iraqi military and Iraqi government fell quickly. The very first strike against Iraq completely destroyed their communications systems, which ended their ability to communicate. A war with Iran would be very similar. Such countries cannot fight a war against a large modern country. Larger, modern countries can strike out at such countries without ever being seen.

An occupation, however, is a different story.

Keep in mind we spent 6 months staging for that war.
We were prepared. They knew what they were going to do before they did it. Ask Cheney's slam dunk team where they only waited for the fake politics to play out.

This could start at any time trump thinks it is in his interest while not fully being prepared for it or the consequences afterwards.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by thommy

show me just one country in the middle east where things became better after a military intervention.

Like Iraq?

US troops pulled out in 2011, and since then Iraq has been standing on it's own and it's citizens are better off. There was a surge in violence in Iraq in 2012 after US troops left, but that settled down quickly. ISIS was in Iraq, but although you can argue that the US military intervention in Iraq left huge gaps in leadership in the areas outside of the major population centers the truth is the Iraqi government has never had firm control large areas of Iraq. The people of Iraq are much better off now; They surely don't live in fear of their own government.

Same with Afghanistan. Since 2002, over five million people who left Afghanistan have returned. The Taliban are no longer in power, no longer have a control over the population, and not spending their free time destroying religious symbols they don't like. US troops and NATO troops have largely left starting in 2012, and the local government is in control.

Military intervention is not an easy task, not to be taken lightly, and takes a long time. Destroying military power and removing a government from control is one thing, but the occupation phase can last a decade or longer. Comparing military intervention in the Middle East to what happened in Europe (and Japan) in the 1940s is very different. It's also important to note that the United States still has military forces in Europe and Japan to this very day, a direct result of military intervention in the 1940s.

[thommy]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Like Iraq?

US troops pulled out in 2011, and since then Iraq has been standing on it's own and it's citizens are better off. There was a surge in violence in Iraq in 2012 after US troops left, but that settled down quickly. ISIS was in Iraq, but although you can argue that the US military intervention in Iraq left huge gaps in leadership in the areas outside of the major population centers the truth is the Iraqi government has never had firm control large areas of Iraq. The people of Iraq are much better off now; They surely don't live in fear of their own government.

Same with Afghanistan. Since 2002, over five million people who left Afghanistan have returned. The Taliban are no longer in power, no longer have a control over the population, and not spending their free time destroying religious symbols they don't like. US troops and NATO troops have largely left starting in 2012, and the local government is in control.

Military intervention is not an easy task, not to be taken lightly, and takes a long time. Destroying military power and removing a government from control is one thing, but the occupation phase can last a decade or longer. Comparing military intervention in the Middle East to what happened in Europe (and Japan) in the 1940s is very different. It's also important to note that the United States still has military forces in Europe and Japan to this very day, a direct result of military intervention in the 1940s.

you really think irak have more freedom and piece than before ?

read this list and look when it started:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_...n_im_Irak#1976


you can not compare the second worldwar to all what have happend after.

complete different circumstances.

[VRPdommy]

Originally Posted by thommy

you really think irak have more freedom and piece than before ?

read this list and look when it started:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_...n_im_Irak#1976


you can not compare the second worldwar to all what have happend after.

complete different circumstances.

While I might agree with that, it's not entirely relevant at this stage.

The coming war is about states that rule with religion and the Saudi's see fading Sunni leadership in the area and expansion of the Shiite's and that also scares Israel.

So the Saudi's and Israelis have a friend in Trump and a biz relationship with him.

The American public is taking a back seat on this one. This is not in our interest.
If you wipe Iran militarily....
How you going to defend an prop-up Iran while the Russians would be inching in to the same space.

You will be turning the entire region into havoc We can't afford this.
It would play out for 20+ years and require more tax dollars that both Iraq and Afghanistan wars AND perhaps the Chinese will not lend us the money now. We certainly do not have it by any means after those tax cuts. We have yet to pay for those 2 wars.
It would monetarily suck the available cash dry in the world.

Isn't it time we try to live life for the better. Stop war mongering wherever it is.