GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum

GoFuckYourself.com - Adult Webmaster Forum (https://gfy.com/index.php)
-   Fucking Around & Business Discussion (https://gfy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=26)
-   -   Detroit collapsing into third world status as water supply becomes too toxic to drink (https://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1183480)

Paul Markham 01-26-2016 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20710400)
What does deregulation or those questions have to do with it?



I'm all for an investigation. But fingerpointing the governor now only distracts from fixing the problem asap.

Because proper regulations mean the problems don't occur as often or as bad and when they do the perpetrators get hammered.

Here's the real problem. Lessons are never learned and measures are rarely put into place to make sure it doesn't happen again. What has been done to the department that regulates oil rigs, FDA, environment departments who monitor water safety, etc? After these crises?

Paul Markham 01-26-2016 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sperbonzo (Post 20710659)
The Flint Water Crisis Is the Result of a Stimulus Project Gone WrongShikha Dalmia

Liberals are wrongly blaming Flint's lead poisoning crisis on austerity measures imposed on the city by a fiscallyconservative Republican Governor Rick Snyder, as I wrotehalast week. (Snyder had appointed an emergency manager in 2011 to help the city balance its books and avoid bankruptcy.) However, I didn't quite realize just how wrong they were. As it turns out, the debacle is the result of Snyder's efforts to stimulate the local economyâ??the exact opposite of the liberal line.

The whole mess occurred because Flint decided against renewing its 30-year contract with the Detroit Water and Sewage Department (DWSD) and switched instead to Karengondi Water Authority (KWA). KWA was planning to build its own hugely expensive pipeline, parallel to DWSD's, to harness water from Lake Huron and service the Genesee County area where Flint is located. This left the city in the lurch for a few years when its contract with DWSD ended but the new facility had not yet gone online, prompting it to reopen a local mothballed facility that relied on the toxic Flint River as its source (more on the rank stupidity of this decision later).

The rationale for the original decision to switch Flint's water providers was that, in the long run, KWA would generate substantial savings for the cash-strapped city. Not only was this false but Snyder had very good reasons at that time to believe that this was false.

Documentshathat have just resurfaced show that the then DWSD Director Susan McCormick presented two alternatives to Emergency Manager Ed Kurtz that slashed rates for Flint by nearly 50 percent, something that made Detroit far more competitive compared to the KWA deal. "The cliff notes version," shehasaidhain an internal e-mail to her staff, is that the "proposal offers a today rate of water for Flint/Genesee of $10.46 as compared to $20.00 paid currently per Mcfâ??48% less that could be realized nearly immediately and even more when compared to the increases coming with KWA." In fact, when compared over the 30-year horizon, the DWSD proposal saves $800 million or 20% over the KWA proposal, she pointed out.

That works out to over $26 million in annual savings for a city in precarious financial shape.

So why didn't Flint jump at the offer?

If McCormick had been corrupt and untrustworthy like herpredecessor, who was indicted in the scandal involving former Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick (for, among other things, illegally steering contracts to friends and cronies), it would have been one thing. But McCormick has a stellar reputation as an administrator and was brought on board after a federal court ordered a reorganization of the DWSD to clean up its operations and ensure that it was complying with federal water regulations. (Despite opposition from the city's powerful unions, shehamadehaa nearly 80 percent reduction in staff while improving operations, all of which ended 35 years of court oversight of the department!) In fact, she even offered the city representation on the board and a say in "facility operations and capital investment" in order to guard against unwarranted future rate hikes, removing an issue that has long been a bone of contention between Detroit and its municipal clients.

What's more, lest one dismiss McCormick as a biased party with a fiduciary interest in pressing DWSD's case against its competitor's, ahastudy commissionedhaby Snyder's own treasurer from Tucker, Young, Jackson & Tull, a prestigious engineering consulting firm, confirmed that the KWA's plan to supply Flint didn't make any financial sense. It estimated that KWA was lowballing the project by at leastha$85 million. "Cost overruns and delays in completion will both negatively impact Flint's final costs," the reporthaconcluded.

The Genesee County Drain commissioner at the time went on a jihad tohaimpugnhathe study, accusing it of relying on inaccurate data, but the question is, why did Snyderhaâ?? aka one-tough-nerd who prides himself on his business acumen and wonkery â?? fall for it?

Snyder's office did not return my call, but sources close to the situation at the time tell me that it was essentially because Genesee County and Flint authorities saw the new water treatment as a public infrastructure project to create jobs in an area that has never recovered after Michigan's auto industry fled to sunnier business climes elsewhere. And neither Snyder nor his Emergency Manager Ed Kurtz nor the state treasurer Andy Dillon had the heart to say "no," especially since to hand Flint to DWSD would have made the whole project less viable.ha What's more, they felt that just as Detroit was receiving an infrastructure boost post-bankruptcy (with the state-backed$650 millionhaice-hockey-arena-cum-entertainment center that I wrote about here) it was only fair that Flint get one too.

All of this shows two things:

One, the Flint water crisis is the result of a Keynesian stimulus project gone wrong.

Two, emergency managers are not always a panacea for fiscally mismanaged cities. The assumption behind handing them control of city finances is that they are grown-ups who, unlike politicians, are immune from special interest pressure and therefore more capable of making tough cuts. In reality, they can have their own political grand plans that don't always overlap with the city's fiscal interest.

But to add insult to Flint's injury, while the rest of the Genesee County continued to be served by DWSA before the new system became operational, Flint was switched to its old, moribund facility. That's not because Detroit refused to cut off Flint, as the governor's office and local authorities have suggested. It's because Kurtz and the then Flint mayor, Dayne Walling, sources say, believed that this facility was an underutilized asset that ought to be put to good use to save money.

This was a penny wise and pound foolish decision given that Flint had neither the in-house scientific expertise to assess what would be required to adequately treat the water nor thehaeconomic expertise to judge whether this made any financial sense. They expected to get all their scientific guidance from the DEQ, but the agency was clearly in over its head (and is, not unfairly, taking the fall).

Snyder has called Flint his Hurricane Katrina. In reality, it is far worse because at least Katrina represented a botched response to a natural disaster. The Flint disaster, however, is wholly man-made.

This shows the problem was a lack of real monitoring and control for years. The underlined part highlights the reasons.

sperbonzo 01-26-2016 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 20710706)
How much of that is your own words? I am going to assume it wasn't you who tried to contact Synder's office for comment. Citing your sources is not just for college essays.

By the way, Kilpatrick (democrat) got what he fucking deserved and didn't do the city of Detroit any favors, however handing out contracts for political favors happens all the time on both sides of the fence. Dayne Walling was another shit stain democrat that had no interest in the people he was elected to represent.

I have never denied that Snyder was trying to save money, but he gambled on it with people's lives.

Sorry. I usually do. Here it is

http://reason.com/blog/2016/01/25/the-flint-water-crisis-is-the-result-of?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campa ign=Feed%3A+reason%2FHitandRun+%28Reason+Online+-+Hit+%26+Run+Blog%29




.

dyna mo 01-26-2016 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 20710821)
This shows the problem was a lack of real monitoring and control for years. The underlined part highlights the reasons.

it's not regulations. it's deteriorating infrastructure.

dyna mo 01-26-2016 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astronaut x (Post 20710706)
How much of that is your own words? I am going to assume it wasn't you who tried to contact Synder's office for comment. Citing your sources is not just for college essays.

By the way, Kilpatrick (democrat) got what he fucking deserved and didn't do the city of Detroit any favors, however handing out contracts for political favors happens all the time on both sides of the fence. Dayne Walling was another shit stain democrat that had no interest in the people he was elected to represent.

I have never denied that Snyder was trying to save money, but he gambled on it with people's lives.

this is 6th grade level shit assnugget exlax

http://writingtester.com/tester/grade_level.php



ahahahahahahaha.

exfuckingactly.


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:52 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
©2000-, AI Media Network Inc123