Note to self: Don't stand in front of moving bulldozers.
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"I try to make a habit of bouncing my eyes up to the face of a beautiful woman, and often repeat “not mine” in my head or even verbally. She’s not mine. God has her set aside. She’s not mine. She’s His little girl, and she needs me to fight for her by keeping my eyes where they should be."
Compassion should be reserved for people who aren't fucking idiots. She stood in front of a bulldozer. What did she think was gonna happen? ***SPLAT***
theres a big difference between a soldier being called to duty, and some chick with a microphone screaming at a bull dozer.
I sure they both believed in their own concepts of right and wrong just as fervently... they both died for something they believed in. One is not necessarily more honourable than the other.
The solider was a dumb grunt who was ordered into that situation and was dumb enough to obey.
The woman was brave enough to go by herself and of her own volition.
I realise this is not hugs&kisses.com, but lets not go degrading peace activists by comparing them to soliders.
I was actually trying to be a bit diplomatic.... just for the sake of the argument.
But what you say is true. I have more admiration for those who act according to their conscience and on their own volition than those who put on a uniform to fight wars for the greedy and power hungry.
That's fucking too sad. But there is no need to blame whole jewish community over this. The driver of that bulldozer or whatever the fuck it is should be put on jail. Its not like someone ordered him to kill the girl.
Originally posted by Joe Sixpack
I have more admiration for those who act according to their conscience and on their own volition than those who put on a uniform to fight wars for the greedy and power hungry.
Couldnt agree with you more. Unfortunately I've learned that those that act according to their consience get fucked by those that don't.
That's a bunch of ungreatful Jews for you. How much of MY tax $ do they get every year? We save their asses from Saddam and whoever else hates them. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't they have therir own army? Don't they have nukes? Let them defend themselves. What do the Jews do for us except get terrorists mad at us for sticking up for them?
Originally posted by GatorB That's a bunch of ungreatful Jews for you. How much of MY tax $ do they get every year? We save their asses from Saddam and whoever else hates them. Correct me if I am wrong, but don't they have therir own army? Don't they have nukes? Let them defend themselves. What do the Jews do for us except get terrorists mad at us for sticking up for them?
buhahahaha
have you any clue Anti-Semite?
our relationship with Israel is hardly one-way. we need them as much as they need us. you do realize the Mossad has Arab-speaking agents who have penetrated virtually every Arab country in the Middle East. What the fuck do we have? We only got Arab speakers after 9/11.
Try refraining from speaking on a subject you know nothing about. BTW....here's a little reading for you:
Aid to Israel
Does the U.S. get its money?s worth?
Israel and Egypt are the two largest recipients of U.S. aid. For its "participation" in the Gulf War, Egypt was forgiven its indebtedness of $9 billion. Israel pays its bills. It receives $2.8 billion every year. Of that amount, $2.0 billion is for military aid and $0.8 billion for economic aid. It?s fair to ask whether this is a good deal for the American taxpayer.
What are the Facts?
The only democratic country in the Middle East. Israel is the only genuinely democratic state in the Middle East. It is committed to freedom and equality, and the rule of law. It embodies the fundamental values that are in tune with those of America and that America has traditionally supported. Israel?s military and political importance in the Middle East and its strategic position stabilize the entire area, including the oil fields of the Persian Gulf. During the Cold War, it was America?s indispensable rampart against the inroads and expansionist ambitions of the Soviet Union. It is now a western bulwark against the aggressive intents of Iran, Iraq, and other bellicose nations that threaten the interests of the United States. It is a most reliable partner in the promotion of Western strategic interests and in the stabilization of the Middle East. Over 20% of its budget goes for defense, compared to 7% in the U.S. and less than 1% in Japan. Israel has one of the best armies in the world. Its navy and air force are the major deterrent forces in the eastern Mediterranean.
Israel effectively secures NATO?s southeastern flank, without having a single American soldier stationed in its territory. Still, the superb military installations, the air and sea lift capabilities, the equipment and food storage capacity, and the trained manpower to maintain and repair sophisticated U.S. equipment are instantly at hand in Israel. It is the only country in the area that makes itself available to the United States, in any contingency.
Only fraction of aid stays in Israel. There is no other country in the Middle East except Israel that can be considered to have a stable government or populace friendly to the United States. There is much danger that any military aid to Arab countries, and military equipment given or sold to them, will suffer the same fate as the untold billions of dollars and priceless military secrets that were lost to our enemies in the debacle of Iran. Is Saudi Arabia more stable? Egypt? Jordan? Kuwait? Judge for yourself!
Only a fraction of the aid given stays in Israel. By far the largest share remains with American defense contractors. Peter McPherson, former administrator of the Agency for International Development, estimated that every billion dollars of aid to Israel creates 60,000 to 70,000 jobs in the United States.
Compared to the $2.0 billion yearly military aid to Israel, the U.S. contributes more than $130 billion(!) every year to the defense of Europe and more than $30 billion to the defense of Japan, Korea, and the Far East. Over 300,000 U.S. troops are stationed with NATO and over 30,000 U.S. troops in the Far East. In contrast, not one single U.S. soldier needs to be stationed and put at risk in Israel. U.S. military analysts estimate that the U.S. would have to spend the equivalent of $150 billion a year in the Middle East to maintain a force equivalent to Israel?s.
There are many other benefits that the U.S. military derives from Israel. Israel is the only country that has gained battlefield experience with U.S. weapons. This experience is immediately conveyed to the U.S. Enormous quantities of captured Soviet weapons and defense systems were turned over to the U.S. military for analysis. Israel, in the light of its experience, continually modifies U.S. weapons systems. For instance, Israeli scientists have made over 200 improvements in the F-15 alone and similar improvements, mostly in avionics, in later-generation planes. It would be more in line with reality if military aid to Israel were classified as part of the defense budget, rather than as "aid". Israel is truly America?s unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Middle East. Former President Reagan put it well: "The fall of Iran has increased Israel?s value as perhaps the only remaining strategic asset in the region on which the United States can fully rely." American aid to Israel is a two-way street. Aid to Israel is America?s greatest defense bargain.
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Thanks Joe. I unloaded nine 30-round magazines into every motherfucker I saw moving on the way to rescue the rangers. Man, woman or child, if they had a weapon they became a target. Six hours of fighting and trying to clear roadblocks while being fired upon. Sometimes I feel bad about it but then someone like you shows a pic of this, and takes all my remorse away.
Thanks Joe. I unloaded nine 30-round magazines into every motherfucker I saw moving on the way to rescue the rangers. Man, woman or child, if they had a weapon they became a target. Six hours of fighting and trying to clear roadblocks while being fired upon. Sometimes I feel bad about it but then someone like you shows a pic of this, and takes all my remorse away.
our relationship with Israel is hardly one-way. we need them as much as they need us. you do realize the Mossad has Arab-speaking agents who have penetrated virtually every Arab country in the Middle East. What the fuck do we have? We only got Arab speakers after 9/11.
Try refraining from speaking on a subject you know nothing about. BTW....here's a little reading for you:
A) I could give a rats ass about that long peice of crap you posted.
B) Fuck off Jew lover
C) I know nothing? Join Memnsa maybe I'll see you at a fucking meeting.
D) quit being so self-righteous and full of yourself.
E) Obvoiusly I hit a raw nerve on your jew loving ass!
F) Take a fucking joke nimrod. what a loser you are.
"ooooohhh look at me I'm Mr Serious. I read the newspaper. I'm mr. know-it-all."
Have a beer, get laid and watch some ESPN once and awhile.
well that pretty much puts down the lie that he couldn't see her.
Not really. The blade is lowered, so he should have seen her standing there at that point, but if he began to move forward and raised the blade he cannot see what is immediately in front of him (I know this because I have operated a dozer before) and could have assumed that she had moved out of the way. In addition from inside the enclosed cab his chances of hearing anyone yelling at him would be slim to none. I have serious doubts that the dozer operator intentionally ran over her, but I of course don't know this to be fact.
When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!
A) I could give a rats ass about that long peice of crap you posted.
B) Fuck off Jew lover
C) I know nothing? Join Memnsa maybe I'll see you at a fucking meeting.
D) quit being so self-righteous and full of yourself.
E) Obvoiusly I hit a raw nerve on your jew loving ass!
F) Take a fucking joke nimrod. what a loser you are.
"ooooohhh look at me I'm Mr Serious. I read the newspaper. I'm mr. know-it-all."
Have a beer, get laid and watch some ESPN once and awhile.
Wow, I really apologize. I just realized I was being completely unfair. It's not your fault that you're retarded and you like to suck cock. I should have known by your post. Memnsa? Is that the retarded version of Mensa?
BTW.....didn't you read the FAQ that says you're not allowed to express an opinion until you've reached 100 posts. Ah, sorry, I forgot, "engrish" isn't your first language.
Why don't you go back to fisting your boyfriend faggot!
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"Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions."
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actually no there is not. they both died doing something they believed in (both being honorable beliefs) and should be respected. no difference.
i was simply referring to there is a difference between her being ran over and people dragging a soldier around town that way.
did the israelis jump out and start dragging the girl through town and beating her?
That was the simple distinction between the two. sorry im too fucking high to want to fight about it on the board ,Too high to really want to explain myself and too high to give a fuck, which is why i chose to stay out of it.
but you can keep going if you want, it'll be funny.
Not really. The blade is lowered, so he should have seen her standing there at that point, but if he began to move forward and raised the blade he cannot see what is immediately in front of him (I know this because I have operated a dozer before) and could have assumed that she had moved out of the way. In addition from inside the enclosed cab his chances of hearing anyone yelling at him would be slim to none. I have serious doubts that the dozer operator intentionally ran over her, but I of course don't know this to be fact.
why would he raise the blade if he's trying to shift the soil in front of him? the reports said that he ran over her blade lowered, and reversed over her blade lowered - if the blade was raised she could have slipped under it and out of harms way. I too have operated heavy machinery like bulldozers and back-hoes, although not in a professional sense (my father was a plumber and owned heavy equipment). I find it a little hard to believe it wasn't done intentionally (knowing it would be impossible to prove otherwise), although not impossible of course. If you bulldoze houses with people inside them, I don't see why you wouldn't swat down a protestor thats annoying you if you could get away with it. There were other protestors there that he would have been able to see motioning when she was in trouble.. eh.. anyways.. it is kinda useless conjecture getting this far into it as neither of us knows. For arguments sake however i'd teeter on the "intentional" side. The guy is a hardened army recruit in a tense situation, not your local back-hoe driver.
I think you may be the only one with a brain around here. Thanks.
thats what i was explaining - to be honest I think thats what Joe was trying to say in his round-a-bout offensive way.
I'm not standing up for his tactics, so don't confuse me,
but:
person "A" posts a link to a pic of a dead woman standing up for what she believes in and getting killed and ridiculing her.
person "B" in response posts a pic of a dead soldier standing up for what he believed and being killed quoting the ridicule, to me says "see how it changes when the ridicule is changed to a different target - they both deserve respect".. of course the way joe does it resembles a sledgehammer..
A) I could give a rats ass about that long peice of crap you posted.
Okay, so let me give you the Cliff Notes version:
Only a fraction of the aid given stays in Israel. By far the largest share remains with American defense contractors. For every billion dollars of aid to Israel creates 60,000 to 70,000 jobs in the United States.
Compared to the $2.0 billion yearly military aid to Israel, the U.S. contributes more than $130 billion(!) every year to the defense of Europe and more than $30 billion to the defense of Japan, Korea, and the Far East.
Over 300,000 U.S. troops are stationed with NATO and over 30,000 U.S. troops in the Far East. In contrast, not one single U.S. soldier needs to be stationed and put at risk in Israel. U.S. military analysts estimate that the U.S. would have to spend the equivalent of $150 billion a year in the Middle East to maintain a force equivalent to Israel?s.
Israel is the only country that has gained battlefield experience with U.S. weapons. Israel, in the light of its experience, continually modifies U.S. weapons systems. For instance, Israeli scientists have made over 200 improvements in the F-15 alone and similar improvements, mostly in avionics, in later-generation planes.
Have a beer, get laid and watch some ESPN once and awhile.
Hmmm....let's see....tonight I had a couple of beers, had sex and caught up on March Madness......
sorrry....
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"Love is the answer - but while you're waiting for the answer sex raises some pretty good questions."
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i was simply referring to there is a difference between her being ran over and people dragging a soldier around town that way.
did the israelis jump out and start dragging the girl through town and beating her?
That was the simple distinction between the two. sorry im too fucking high to want to fight about it on the board ,Too high to really want to explain myself and too high to give a fuck, which is why i chose to stay out of it.
but you can keep going if you want, it'll be funny.
I'll be the first to admit i suffer from foot in mouth disease once in a while. That's cool. I admit there is a difference in the manner the murders were carried out. Regardless - a murder is a murder.
Btw: saying you're high doesn't make me like you anymore - i haven't been able to get any for a few days
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