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Old 03-21-2003, 11:56 AM   #1
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If Iraq has WMD, shouldn't they be using them right about now?

I'm not saying I think they do or don't have weapons of mass destruction, but if they did have them, then wouldn't they be using them right now?
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Old 03-21-2003, 11:57 AM   #2
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I totally agree.


I guess they did not have them after all ?
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I think Saddam is in some way incapacitated and his troops are left clueless.
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Old 03-21-2003, 11:58 AM   #4
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Its all how you look at it.

Saddam knows hes going to lose. But it would be a victory if the US was never justified in the war. If he started using WMD then the US would of been right all along.

However, if Saddam has weapons and doesnt use them but they find them later, lol its over.
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they don't even have planes in the air,....

Their anti-aerial defense sustem dates from 1974, with no radar on them ....

WMD????
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Its all how you look at it.

Saddam knows hes going to lose. But it would be a victory if the US was never justified in the war. If he started using WMD then the US would of been right all along.

However, if Saddam has weapons and doesnt use them but they find them later, lol its over.
So your scenario : the US is right one way or the other ....

Hehe ...
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I totally agree.


I guess they did not have them after all ?
They sure had a SCUD or two sitting around.
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I totally agree.


I guess they did not have them after all ?
If they start using them, then several of the countries that remained nuetral or sided against the US would be going in after them too. (Part of the reason "some" did not side with the US is because we did not have enough proof). If they start firing that crap off--that's proof.

... but on the flipside they denied having scuds. This entire situation is confusing.
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I think Saddam is in some way incapacitated and his troops are left clueless.
Think he'd have left a plan to take place automatically in case he was incapacitated
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If they start using them, then several of the countries that remained nuetral or sided against the US would be going in after them too. (Part of the reason "some" did not side with the US is because we did not have enough proof). If they start firing that crap off--that's proof.
I honestly don't think Saddam gives a rat's ass in hell who comes after him or who sides with who. He's proved time and time again that he's a crass heartless SOB.
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So your scenario : the US is right one way or the other ....

Hehe ...

And your is: the US is wrong one way or the other ....

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If they start using them, then several of the countries that remained nuetral or sided against the US would be going in after them too. (Part of the reason "some" did not side with the US is because we did not have enough proof). If they start firing that crap off--that's proof.

... but on the flipside they denied having scuds. This entire situation is confusing.

I agree...

if they were to launch a biological weapon.. all fence riding countries would also engage...
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I honestly don't think Saddam gives a rat's ass in hell who comes after him or who sides with who. He's proved time and time again that he's a crass heartless SOB.
Gotta admit he has a hella huge set of balls.

Either that or blatant stupidity to challenge the USA.

May the rest of the losers around the globe take note.
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With so little resistance I honestly think Saddam is either injured or some of his top commanders are dead..

I honestly think he knows this is the end so he is baiting troops in and when the time is right he takes out as many people as possible including himself.
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And your is: the US is wrong one way or the other ....

Hehe
No, I didn't write the scenario ( see who wrote what I quoted ).

If the US finds WMD and Chemical, then they will be exonarated of the role of vilain...

If not, they are the vilain....

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If the US finds WMD and Chemical, then they will be exonarated of the role of vilain...If not, they are the vilain[/IMG]
I'm sure that's what you'll be chirping no matter what happens, right dude?

Dude, I pray you get a clue.

No matter what happens or what they find, Saddam is out. Gone. Toast. That alone will have been worth everything to the world. Try pasting the title of villain where it belongs for once. Dude.
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No, I didn't write the scenario ( see who wrote what I quoted ).

If the US finds WMD and Chemical, then they will be exonarated of the role of vilain...

If not, they are the vilain....

Would you agree that if they do find WMD that the US was justified?
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:30 PM   #20
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If no WMDs are found (UN inspectors found none ) it was unnecessary.
If saddam was incapacitated it was unnecessary.
If a more exhaustive exploration of economic and diplomatic measures could have sucedded it was unecessary.

I think it was unnecessary.



""""I honestly don't think Saddam gives a rat's ass in hell who comes after him or who sides with who. He's proved time and
time again that he's a crass heartless SOB.":""

Agreed.

But apparently Bush didn't care either.And thats the problem
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Old 03-21-2003, 12:45 PM   #21
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He might have the WMD's hidden and ready to be blown up by remote, or already did it... and then sacrifices himself in hopes of an Islamic uprising like no other. Althought I hardly think he believes that virgin story for martyrs. lol (He *is* 65 and not long for the planet, with one proven nutcase son and one that is borderline)

OR he could hope to squeak thru and explain away the WMD's as 'looky what part of the World we are in,,, they ALL have them!" How many times has he skated thru before?!
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It's just like Nukes - We have them, but we can't use them. In this case, if Iraq uses them he'll be the villian. If he doesn't use them and we find them later, he'll still be the villian.

If Iraq has already launched scuds it pretty much proves he was full of shit.

All of this is pointless - There are a dozen or so reasons to go in and take him out. The US has been patrolling the no fly zones which is imposed by the UN, yet they continue to fire at us. If it was up to me the first time Iraq opened up on our planes I would have invaded them.

That's enough of a reason to take him out.
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Would you agree that if they do find WMD that the US was justified?
read post above: it is clear....
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do you guys really believe americans will not "find" WMD?
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In this case, if Iraq uses them he'll be the villian.
So since when has being the villain ever bothered Saddam?
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do you guys really believe americans will not "find" WMD?
Hum... Ambigious ...

Are you saying you are sure they have some ?

or

Are you saying the US will plant some ???

Personally, I think it is possible but as times go by, this possibility diminishes:

Come on, the regime is dead, they don't care for their population no more than for the invasion troops, so why wouldn't they use them....
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No, I didn't write the scenario ( see who wrote what I quoted ).

If the US finds WMD and Chemical, then they will be exonarated of the role of vilain...

If not, they are the vilain....

saddam should have followed the cease fire agreement
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saddam should have followed the cease fire agreement
Saddam should have gone in exile, like a lot of Dictator's or Head of States did in the past.

But this guy is something else ....

Still no reason ....
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Saddam should have taken as much money as he could get and bought an island in the Caribbean and filled it with hot girls and retire there. Thats what I would have done.

All I want is money, fuck the fame, I'm a simple man.
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do you guys really believe americans will not "find" WMD?
Of course they will "Find" WMD.
It's going to be a cake walk to find them. The inspectors couldn't find any but the US will.
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If Saddam uses WMD, then yeah, this is all justified.

If, after the war is over and the smoke clears, we suddenly "find" a bunch of WMD that the inspectors missed, I think that's a little fishy.

And for the record, I'm not a Saddam fan, the issue isn't whether or not we think Saddam is a good guy, the issue is whether or not the U.S. has to right to invade another country and install a new government without being attacked or provoked first.
This is setting a REALLY BAD precedent
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And for the record, I'm not a Saddam fan, the issue isn't whether or not we think Saddam is a good guy, the issue is whether or not the U.S. has to right to invade another country and install a new government without being attacked or provoked first.
This is setting a REALLY BAD precedent
For the record, I think nobody is a Saddam fan .... But it is hard here to get people to make the difference: if you are againt the war, you are for Saddam....

Probably comes from the new US thematic:

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fucking shit people, it's already confirmed he lied to the US and UN by using scuds in this conflict.


proof enough he was not willing to disarm peacefully.

do we really need to find WMD's? he's proven he's a liar, a sneaky bastard, and likes to kill his own people. listen to the iraqis that have come here.
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fucking shit people, it's already confirmed he lied to the US and UN by using scuds in this conflict.


proof enough he was not willing to disarm peacefully.

do we really need to find WMD's? he's proven he's a liar, a sneaky bastard, and likes to kill his own people. listen to the iraqis that have come here.
I just hope if there are weapons of mass destruction to be used by Saddam, they are found before his regime uses them. They don't care how many of their own countrymen they'd kill in the process.
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fucking shit people, it's already confirmed
Rumors, no proof.

Could be true , maybe not. Til the " smoke" settles, nobody will know.
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As soon as this "war" is over, we'll find more weapons in one day than the inspectors found in years.
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just a though .. if the US doesnt know where these so called " weapons or mass destruction " are .. is it really a good idea to go blasting shit up like mad .. what if they nail the bunker where these weapons are .. Im no ammunitions expert but my though is a bomb dropped on a shitload of bombs could cause a big fucking problem .

I dont think they even have any .
but we will never know .
Even if he doesnt . we'll be told they found them .
NO way the US will NOT find them .. they get some from somewhere to cover its ass if there arent any .

either way .. bombs away
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If we don't find WMD, we'll get "We told ya so".
If we do, we'll get "You planted them".
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For the record, I think nobody is a Saddam fan .... But it is hard here to get people to make the difference: if you are againt the war, you are for Saddam....

Probably comes from the new US thematic:

" If you are not with us, you are against us "

- George W. Bush.
Well I look at it this way.

If I were at a bar with my buddy (George W. Bush) and he was mouthing off to the big asshole (Saddam Hussein) on the other side of the bar about how he was going to kick his ass I'd tell him to cool it either publicly or privately.

However once the shit hit the fan, I'd shut the fuck up and make sure my boy's back was covered.

This is EXACTLY how I would hancle a real life situation with a good buddy of mine.

People during times of aggression look for weaknesses, and during the Vietnam war that weakness was our homefront, not our war front.

Anytime there is a lack of support on an issue, asshole's always seize the opportunity to exploit that, it also in their demented little minds validates them and whatever issues brought them to this point.

You can be against the war and still support the troops, but for now while the scuffle is on, just shut the fuck up and make sure our boys' backs are covered.
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For the record, I think nobody is a Saddam fan .... But it is hard here to get people to make the difference: if you are againt the war, you are for Saddam....


Speak for yourself. I'm a huge Saddam fan. If it wasn't for that suave, debonair dictator, I'd have nothing to talk about. Saddam is a genocidal whisky drinking, mistress banging, viagra popping all original
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:10 PM   #41
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fucking shit people, it's already confirmed he lied to the US and UN by using scuds in this conflict.
He also stated he would NOT light his oil wells on fire...oh well.
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:11 PM   #42
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For the record, I think nobody is a Saddam fan .... But it is hard here to get people to make the difference: if you are againt the war, you are for Saddam....

Probably comes from the new US thematic:

" If you are not with us, you are against us "

- George W. Bush.
So much for being able to have your own political opinions in the USA

If there aren't any we'll just plant them there I'm sure. Uncle Sam can't be proved wrong, he'll just make it look like he's right.

So they're supposed to be protecting us. They *may* have WMD's and they *may* sell them to terrorists. Isn't this just what's going on with North Korea? Oh right, we know they actually have them therefore we won't fuck with them and we'll just let them go about their business.

Why would we fuck with a country when we know they have WMD's?
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:13 PM   #43
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I'm not saying I think they do or don't have weapons of mass destruction, but if they did have them, then wouldn't they be using them right now?

Well, so far they have been firing missiles they allegedly do not have. That Al Abbas missile they fired has a range of 558 miles.


But, if Saddam does use WMDs or chemical agents, the entire world oppinion will shift. Saddam is a master of PR so I don't think he'll be that stupid. He's blinded by his ego and makes irrational decisions, but he's not stupid.
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So much for being able to have your own political opinions in the USA

If there aren't any we'll just plant them there I'm sure. Uncle Sam can't be proved wrong, he'll just make it look like he's right.

So they're supposed to be protecting us. They *may* have WMD's and they *may* sell them to terrorists. Isn't this just what's going on with North Korea? Oh right, we know they actually have them therefore we won't fuck with them and we'll just let them go about their business.

Why would we fuck with a country when we know they have WMD's?
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I agree 100%

Good point.

When the dust settles I'd tear him a new one though
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So much for being able to have your own political opinions in the USA
I'll just cut and paste this and post it here:

Well I look at it this way.

If I were at a bar with my buddy (George W. Bush) and he was mouthing off to the big asshole (Saddam Hussein) on the other side of the bar about how he was going to kick his ass I'd tell him to cool it either publicly or privately.

However once the shit hit the fan, I'd shut the fuck up and make sure my boy's back was covered.

This is EXACTLY how I would hancle a real life situation with a good buddy of mine.

People during times of aggression look for weaknesses, and during the Vietnam war that weakness was our homefront, not our war front.

Anytime there is a lack of support on an issue, asshole's always seize the opportunity to exploit that, it also in their demented little minds validates them and whatever issues brought them to this point.

You can be against the war and still support the troops, but for now while the scuffle is on, just shut the fuck up and make sure our boys' backs are covered.
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But, if Saddam does use WMDs or chemical agents, the entire world oppinion will shift.
I don't think so. Read the post above by cluck. I have a feeling that mentality is quite common.
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I agree 100%

Good point.

When the dust settles I'd tear him a new one though
LOL no kidding.

I remember a situation just like the one I described.
My best friend back in High School, Tim, we were at a party and Joe and Mike these two little shit heads he was always trying to impress were there.

They always slammed Tim every chance they got, and this happened real often.

Anyway they started on Tim and I figured my boy needed his back covered so I walk over there and I'm all up in their face and they say something and Tim starts laughing along with THEM!

So what did I do? I walked over to Tim and popped him one right in the jaw.

No fucking kidding...LOL

Tim and I are still friends going on 20 years
In fact he spoke at my mother's funeral 2 weeks ago.
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I'll just cut and paste this and post it here:

Well I look at it this way.

If I were at a bar with my buddy (George W. Bush) and he was mouthing off to the big asshole (Saddam Hussein) on the other side of the bar about how he was going to kick his ass I'd tell him to cool it either publicly or privately.

However once the shit hit the fan, I'd shut the fuck up and make sure my boy's back was covered.

This is EXACTLY how I would hancle a real life situation with a good buddy of mine.

People during times of aggression look for weaknesses, and during the Vietnam war that weakness was our homefront, not our war front.

Anytime there is a lack of support on an issue, asshole's always seize the opportunity to exploit that, it also in their demented little minds validates them and whatever issues brought them to this point.

You can be against the war and still support the troops, but for now while the scuffle is on, just shut the fuck up and make sure our boys' backs are covered.
See if my buddy got himself into a fight in the bar I wouldn't jump in(unless it was purely for fun). If you start a fight you should be able to finish it.

As far as the soldiers they're just doing their job. I don't want anything to happen to them. I hope they're successful in doing what they do, they're obviously some of the most honorable people around. When I protest war, I tell W not to put our boys in that position. They didn't deserve to be thrown in there, nor do most of them have an idea what's really going on behind the scenes. Takes a fuck of alotta balls to do the job of cleaning up what the government starts.
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Old 03-21-2003, 02:22 PM   #50
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See if my buddy got himself into a fight in the bar I wouldn't jump in(unless it was purely for fun). If you start a fight you should be able to finish it.
Naw man you missed my point entirely.

My boy would have to finish what he started, I'd just have his back...that means physically if someone else were to jump in, and just morally by him knowing I was there.

I sure as hell wouldn't be standing behind him when he's about to get his ass kicked saying shit like..."I'm just so against this bar fight." "You have no reason to be in this bar fight." Creating anymore confusion than there already is and almost ensuring his getting his ass kicked.

If you would handle it anyother way...then I doubt you have too many friends.
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