7 December

[theking]

...a day that will live in infamy. I salute all the comrades of old as well as the new that are currently serving. God bless America!

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Thanks for serving TheKing

[Rochard]

It's been said that the man who planned the attack on Pear Harbor (Isoroku Yamamoto) said ""I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." If he did say this or something similar, it was very true. Japan completely underestimated the Untied States in all areas, including manpower, resolve, and material and manufacturing - We could physically build ships as fast they could sink them and we had nearly unlimited resources.

Germany did the same with Russia - Russia was huge and vast, and had unlimited manpower.

Attacking Pearl Harbor was the biggest military mistake of all time.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's been said that the man who planned the attack on Pear Harbor (Isoroku Yamamoto) said ""I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." If he did say this or something similar, it was very true. Japan completely underestimated the Untied States in all areas, including manpower, resolve, and material and manufacturing - We could physically build ships as fast they could sink them and we had nearly unlimited resources.

Germany did the same with Russia - Russia was huge and vast, and had unlimited manpower.

Attacking Pearl Harbor was the biggest military mistake of all time.

Do you have some sort of board-watch script, that alerts you anytime there is something remotely close to defence/arms related, so you can come and regurgitate your brainwashed talking points?

[SuckOnThis]

You're a day early.

[Matt-ADX]

Originally Posted by JohnnyClips

What happened on December 7th?

David Beckham scored his first Goal for United on the 7th 1994. Imagine that's what they talking about

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Do you have some sort of board-watch script, that alerts you anytime there is something remotely close to defence/arms related, so you can come and regurgitate your brainwashed talking points?

Are you just a dick with a board watch script that alerts you to when Rochard posts anything?

[Vendzilla]

While living in Pearl Harbor when I was in the Navy, we would go out to ford island for different kinds of training and you can still see the bullet holes left over from that attack. One of the main points that the Japanese used for navigation was the dive tower on the sub base, my barracks were right next to that.

Also, Sunday, 7 December 1941, the USS Tautog SS199 was at the Submarine Base when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Within minutes of the first Japanese bomb explosions on Ford Island, Tautog's gun crews went into action and, with the help of Narwhal (SS-167) and a destroyer, shot down a Japanese torpedo bomber as it came over Merry Point. The Tautog went on to sink more tonnage than any other submarine or any other ship in ww2. The submarine I was on was the USS Tautog, SSN 639.

In WW2, Submarines made up 2 % of the fleet and sank around 90% of the ships( By Tonnage)

[theking]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

While living in Pearl Harbor when I was in the Navy, we would go out to ford island for different kinds of training and you can still see the bullet holes left over from that attack. One of the main points that the Japanese used for navigation was the dive tower on the sub base, my barracks were right next to that.

Also, Sunday, 7 December 1941, the USS Tautog SS199 was at the Submarine Base when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Within minutes of the first Japanese bomb explosions on Ford Island, Tautog's gun crews went into action and, with the help of Narwhal (SS-167) and a destroyer, shot down a Japanese torpedo bomber as it came over Merry Point. The Tautog went on to sink more tonnage than any other submarine or any other ship in ww2. The submarine I was on was the USS Tautog, SSN 639.

In WW2, Submarines made up 2 % of the fleet and sank around 90% of the ships( By Tonnage)

Interesting read.

[Ferus]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Are you just a dick with a board watch script that alerts you to when Rochard posts anything?

ohhh, my favorite internet-tough guy! how are you my chubby rockstar ?
No, I dont have such script. My postcount would be higher if I had.

So to answer your question: "No - I'm just a dick without a script"

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Attacking Pearl Harbor was the biggest military mistake of all time.

One would think that illegally invading vietnam and iraq are quite high on the list of military mistakes as well, but please, never lose your naive romantic world view

[bronco67]

oh...that's why that piece of crap Pearl harbor movie was on today when I was flipping channels during lunch. Of course I watched some of it.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

While living in Pearl Harbor when I was in the Navy, we would go out to ford island for different kinds of training and you can still see the bullet holes left over from that attack. One of the main points that the Japanese used for navigation was the dive tower on the sub base, my barracks were right next to that.

Also, Sunday, 7 December 1941, the USS Tautog SS199 was at the Submarine Base when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Within minutes of the first Japanese bomb explosions on Ford Island, Tautog's gun crews went into action and, with the help of Narwhal (SS-167) and a destroyer, shot down a Japanese torpedo bomber as it came over Merry Point. The Tautog went on to sink more tonnage than any other submarine or any other ship in ww2. The submarine I was on was the USS Tautog, SSN 639.

In WW2, Submarines made up 2 % of the fleet and sank around 90% of the ships( By Tonnage)

Barber's Point 1988 to 1992.

[theking]

Originally Posted by Rochard

It's been said that the man who planned the attack on Pear Harbor (Isoroku Yamamoto) said ""I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." If he did say this or something similar, it was very true. Japan completely underestimated the Untied States in all areas, including manpower, resolve, and material and manufacturing - We could physically build ships as fast they could sink them and we had nearly unlimited resources.

Germany did the same with Russia - Russia was huge and vast, and had unlimited manpower.

Attacking Pearl Harbor was the biggest military mistake of all time.

He also supposedly said something along the lines of...he could raise hell for about six months and then the tide would turn and that was also the case. It is my understanding that the Japanese never intended to defeat the U.S. but instead intended to keep us at bay long enough for them to consolidate their hold on other Asian countries and then sue us for peace. What they did not expect at all was our demand for their "unconditional surrender"...which demand was ultimately agreed to but did prolong the war with them.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Barber's Point 1988 to 1992.

Nice, I was there from 79 to 82 in Pearl, home ported

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by Ferus

ohhh, my favorite internet-tough guy! how are you my chubby rockstar ?
No, I dont have such script. My postcount would be higher if I had.

So to answer your question: "No - I'm just a dick without a script"

Thanx for proving my point troll!

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by theking

Interesting read.

Living in pearl harbor, you can't help but learn it's history. It's a beautiful base

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nico-t

One would think that illegally invading vietnam and iraq are quite high on the list of military mistakes as well, but please, never lose your naive romantic world view

Japans attack resulted in the US dropping 2 nukes on them, I think they win, but please never lose your naive romantic world view!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Japans attack resulted in the US dropping 2 nukes on them, I think they win

So if you nuke citizens you win? And you think thats a good thing?

Brainwashed idiot.

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nico-t

So if you nuke citizens you win? And you think thats a good thing?

Brainwashed idiot.

Having problems with the English language idiot? I said "they" win, what a fucking moron!

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

Having problems with the English language idiot? I said "they" win, what a fucking moron!

the gnome in your avatar was a great pick to represent you: His head is hollow as well

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nico-t

the gnome in your avatar was a great pick to represent you: His head is hollow as well

You have absolutely no creativity do you? that was pretty lame.

[nico-t]

Originally Posted by Vendzilla

You have absolutely no creativity do you? that was pretty lame.

to be honest i laughed out loud when i typed that

[Vendzilla]

Originally Posted by nico-t

to be honest i laughed out loud when i typed that

Well that makes one of you

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Ferus

Do you have some sort of board-watch script, that alerts you anytime there is something remotely close to defence/arms related, so you can come and regurgitate your brainwashed talking points?

No.

I just watch the board. I love military stuff; I live for WWII stuff.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by theking

He also supposedly said something along the lines of...he could raise hell for about six months and then the tide would turn and that was also the case. It is my understanding that the Japanese never intended to defeat the U.S. but instead intended to keep us at bay long enough for them to consolidate their hold on other Asian countries and then sue us for peace. What they did not expect at all was our demand for their "unconditional surrender"...which demand was ultimately agreed to but did prolong the war with them.

That was exactly what their goal was. They didn't want to take on the United States directly, but instead destroy the US Pacific fleet so they could could continue their rampage through the Pacific for six months to a year.

The biggest blunder was they missed all of the US aircraft carriers - None of them were in port that morning. While the attack was a huge blow to the Pacific Fleet, with the three aircraft carriers still running around the US never really lost it's footing and was able to attack a short time later.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by nico-t

One would think that illegally invading vietnam and iraq are quite high on the list of military mistakes as well, but please, never lose your naive romantic world view

I don't believe our involvement in Vietnam or Iraq was illegal.

First off you can argue it's never illegal to wage war. There is no international law that says "you cannot wage war" or that it is illegal to do. When Saddam attacked and raped Kuwait, it wasn't illegal.

I don't believe our involvement in Vietnam was wrong. At the time, we feared communism. Communism was coming to get us, and we had to stop them in their tracks. If we failed to stop them, all of Asia would fall to communism. This was unacceptable at the time. Right now we are debating here on GFY what the United States / NATO / Western World should do about Muslim Extremeists - Not very much different than how we felt in the late 1960s.

As for Iraq, you are right - what happened in Iraq was illegal. Iraq violated a peace treaty. Most people forget what happened there - Iraq invaded Kuwait, we went into Kuwait and kicked their asses, and the Iraqis signed a peace treaty - which they violated.

I don't have a "naive romantic world view". I love military history.