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just a punk · 12-09-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul&John

As Mutt wrote: Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc.. which are (excluding eastern Germany) still suffering from the consequences of that regime.. (a lot shittier living standards then anywhere in western EU)

Do you mean those countries that were receiving Soviet natural resources (gas and oil) almost for free? I do understand that Soviets did restrict their freedoms, but did they rip off the economics of those countries? How many trains with gold were sent from Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc to the Soviet Union? Please explain.

Mutt · 12-09-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Do you mean those countries that were receiving Soviet natural resources (gas and oil) almost for free? I do understand that Soviets did restrict their freedoms, but did they rip off the economics of those countries? How many trains with gold were sent from Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc to the Soviet Union? Please explain.

Because the Soviet Union didn't allow those countries to rebuild their war ravaged countries and economies on their own, they couldn't receive receive the money Western Europe got from the US via the Marshall Plan. They were 2nd class citizens in the Soviet empire, the Soviets took control of everything including their natural resources and sent them back the shittiest Soviet made products. They didn't get the Japanese electronics that your family got. They had to build the Berlin Wall because everybody in East Berlin was escaping to West Berlin where food, goods and money was flowing in from the West.

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

Because the Soviet Union didn't allow those countries to rebuild their war ravaged countries and economies on their own, they couldn't receive receive the money Western Europe got from the US via the Marshall Plan. They were 2nd class citizens in the Soviet empire, the Soviets took control of everything including their natural resources and sent them back the shittiest Soviet made products. They didn't get the Japanese electronics that your family got. They had to build the Berlin Wall because everybody in East Berlin was escaping to West Berlin where food, goods and money was flowing in from the West.

Everything you have written above is not true. My family had no Japanese electronics (please re-read my posts carefully). My mother has traveled to Poland and Czechoslovakia to buy products from Western Europe and Asia (shoes, clothes and even books(!!!) etc). Those guys lived a way better than Soviet Union citizens. Don't even try to argue about that with me. A trip to one of those countries was a pink dream for everybody here. As I said above, the Soviet Union was not a classic empire. It hasn't sucked resources from its "colonies". It has gave them its own resources for free. That's why all Soviet Union citizens had a dream to get a trip to Poland, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc and buy the things you could never find here.

P.S. Man, your knowledge about Soviet Union is a real weird...

P.P.S. My uncle has spent 3 years working in Mozambique (a country in Africa) to buy Japanese electronics in Berezka. It was absolutely impossible to buy them in a regular Soviet shop, even if you were a millionaire. That's one more reason why I hate commies.

SekobA · 12-09-2015, 12:32 PM

I watched the news today few rockets were launched from the submarine as they say the same rockets can be used as nuke attack but it wont be.

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 12:39 PM

Here is how it was working. In the Soviet Union import products were available in Berezka shops only. Those were selling them for a foreign currency which was forbidden in the USSR. The official rate of 1 dollar was less than 1 ruble, but there was no legal way to do such an exchange. Course there was a black market (Russians have never been a law-abiding nation) where you could buy 1 dollar for about 4 rubles. So if you wanted to buy a Japanese electronics in Berezka, you had to overpay its price in 5-6 times.

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SekobA

I watched the news today few rockets were launched from the submarine as they say the same rockets can be used as nuke attack but it wont be.

All cruise missiles which were launched from small ships in Caspian Sea and from strategic bombers TU-160 can be equipped with thermonuclear warheads up to 200 kilotons (about 14 Hiroshimas) each.

Mutt · 12-09-2015, 12:47 PM

I'll let people from those countries whose parents have told them what life was like in a satellite Eastern Bloc country.

You're the weird one, you claim over and over you are anti-Communist and anti-Putin but you spend most of your time defending the Soviet Union and Putin's Russia.

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

I'll let people from those countries whose parents have told them what life was like in a satellite Eastern Bloc country.

And they all will confirm that citizens of Soviet Union were visiting their countries to buy the goods, not vice versa. That's not a kind of secret. Google is your friend

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Originally Posted by Mutt

You're the weird one, you claim over and over you are anti-Communist and anti-Putin but you spend most of your time defending the Soviet Union and Putin's Russia.

I'm not defending or blaming anybody or anything. I'm telling you the facts. We are living in the informational world, so everybody can check everything I say. What can I do if the English version of Wikipedia states that every 2nd Soviet family had a personal dacha (keep in mind that village people had no need in dachas and that lazy ones had no dachas too)? Does it mean that Wikipedia defends the Soviet Union? Maybe it's just an online which publish the facts only, but not defends or blames some particular political regime?

The same applies to Putin. I don't remember a single post where I have defended him or his politics personally. Do you? Russia is not Soviet Union and Russia is not Putin. Take it as is.

GAH · 12-09-2015, 01:55 PM

I'm actually beginning to admire Putin for his actions and words lately, I think what he says is never a threat, more a promise. The chances of ISIS being defeated once and for all has never been greater since Russia joined in. In some ways, the downing of the Russian plane is similar to Pearl Harbour, in getting Russia involved in the fight. If ISIS could do something similar to a Chinese plane it would hurry things along nicely, the fire power they have, then the man power to put boots on the ground would be in place and put an end to this horror for good. I could not care less what happens to President Assad and I hope Syria is never mentioned again on the news soon. It's always the Middle East, they have been the bane of the world since energy became god.

spads · 12-09-2015, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Do you mean those countries that were receiving Soviet natural resources (gas and oil) almost for free? I do understand that Soviets did restrict their freedoms, but did they rip off the economics of those countries? How many trains with gold were sent from Hungary, Czechoslovakia, Eastern Germany etc to the Soviet Union? Please explain.

Are you serious? All of the valuable minerals in Czech Republic were basically stolen by the Soviet Union. If you steal all of our resources and then give some of them back, is that still considered free?

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by spads

Are you serious? All of the valuable minerals in Czech Republic were basically stolen by the Soviet Union.

Which ones? You, free loaders have sucked out our oil almost for free. Google is your friend. How much did you pay for Soviet technologies? E.g. for Russian weapons? Did you pay a single ruble, crone (or whatever shit you had there) for a license to make and sell AK assault riffles? Why the USA have always paid for it, but you don't? You guys gout everything for free just because you were "friends". If I was a Soviet leader I would have 100 foes rather than a single "friend" like you.

Paul&John · 12-09-2015, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

You're the weird one, you claim over and over you are anti-Communist and anti-Putin but you spend most of your time defending the Soviet Union and Putin's Russia.

I couldn't have said it better myself

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Bloc

At the same time, at the war's end, the Soviet Union adopted a "plunder policy" of physically transporting and relocating east European industrial assets to the Soviet Union.[136] Eastern Bloc states were required to provide coal, industrial equipment, technology, rolling stock and other resources to reconstruct the Soviet Union.[137] Between 1945 and 1953, the Soviets received a net transfer of resources from the rest of the Eastern Bloc under this policy of roughly $14 billion, an amount comparable to the net transfer from the United States to western Europe in the Marshall Plan.[137][138] "Reparations" included the dismantling of railways in Poland and Romanian reparations to the Soviets between 1944 and 1948 valued at $1.8 billion concurrent with the domination of SovRoms.[135]

In addition, the Soviets re-organised enterprises as joint-stock companies in which the Soviets possessed the controlling interest.[138][139] Using that control vehicle, several enterprises were required to sell products at below world prices to the Soviets, such as uranium mines in Czechoslovakia and East Germany, coal mines in Poland, and oil wells in Romania.[140]

...

So thanks to USSR the whole eastern bloc went bankrupt morally, economically etc, and its still at least 20 years behind western EU

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 03:29 PM

Only an idiot would compare a price of raw (non-enriched) Uranium and coal to a natural gas and oil. I would repeat it again: only an idiot. Google for "Druzhba" pipeline.

Barry-xlovecam · 12-09-2015, 03:41 PM

But Russia exports too ...

Exporting terrorists from Chechnya and Dagestan to the Islamic Terrorist State and the factional Syrian Rebels then bombing them

If there is any truth in this:
Russia Is Sending Jihadis to Join ISIS - The Daily Beast

Talk about an Evil Plan ...

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Exporting terrorists from Chechnya and Dagestan to the Islamic Terrorist State and the factional Syrian Rebels then bombing them

Is that some secret? Putin has said that about 2000 of Russian citizens from Caucasus are fighting for ISIS and he has used that "fact" as an official excuse for the military intervention operation in Syria.

P.S. As far as I know, the Chechen Spetsnaz which is controlled by Putin is fighting against ISIS as an Assad's alley. I know that Western propaganda pains a different picture but Chechens are the most dedicated to Putin nation. It's the place where he has the biggest % of support. For example, his lowest support rate is in Moscow.

Barry-xlovecam · 12-09-2015, 04:09 PM

Obviously, you didn’t read the article -- it clams that the local agents? of the FSB in those republics arranged their journey. Get rid of them (the separatists or terrorists) then bomb the shit out of them.

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

Obviously, you didn’t read the article -- it clams that the local agents? of the FSB in those republics arranged their journey. Get rid of them then bomb the shit out of them.

Why should I read it? I know the things from inside (if you forgot, I live in Russia). As Kadyrov said, those Chechens are waiting for Putin's order to go into Syria or Afghanistan and fight ISIS. Allahu Akbar?

Barry-xlovecam · 12-09-2015, 04:23 PM

I'll dumb it down -- it's a long article:

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Yet a recent investigation conducted by Novaya Gazeta, one of the few independent newspapers left in Russia, complicates this cozy tale of counterterrorist cooperation. Based on extensive fieldwork in one village in the North Caucasus, reporter Elena Milashina has concluded that the ?Russian special services have controlled? the flow of jihadists into Syria, where they have lately joined up not only with ISIS but other radical Islamist factions. In other words, Russian officials are adding to the ranks of terrorists which the Russian government has deemed a collective threat to the security and longevity of its dictatorial ally on the Mediterranean, Bashar al-Assad.

Western propaganda -- maybe ....

just a punk · 12-09-2015, 04:33 PM

I didn't get it. What is the news there? A "news" that Russian citizens (mostly Chechens) are fighting for Assad? This is not a secret. On the other hand, some are fighting for ISIS and that's not a secret too. The difference is that ones on ISIS side are outlaws here (if you want I will explain it in details), while those who fight for Assad are doing it almost officially.

Barry-xlovecam · 12-09-2015, 04:40 PM

You have the name of that Russian newspaper and the reporter's name.

Translate that paragraph into Russian and get back with me.

ZiggiZiggiCrew · 12-09-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

You have the name of that Russian newspaper and the reporter's name.

Translate that paragraph into Russian and get back with me.

First her pic in google search

as you say "Western propaganda - maybe..."

About newspaper Novaya Gazeta...plz to use google translate and read more about
https://traditio.wiki/Новая_газета

spads · 12-10-2015, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO

Which ones? You, free loaders have sucked out our oil almost for free. Google is your friend. How much did you pay for Soviet technologies? E.g. for Russian weapons? Did you pay a single ruble, crone (or whatever shit you had there) for a license to make and sell AK assault riffles? Why the USA have always paid for it, but you don't? You guys gout everything for free just because you were "friends". If I was a Soviet leader I would have 100 foes rather than a single "friend" like you.

Yeah such great friends. When we tried to topple the Soviet puppets the first time you guys sent tanks. The same thing happened with Poland and Hungary as well. Thanks friend...

just a punk · 12-10-2015, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by spads

Yeah such great friends. When we tried to topple the Soviet puppets the first time you guys sent tanks. The same thing happened with Poland and Hungary as well. Thanks friend...

I didn't send a single tank to you, idiot. I wasn't even born then.

just a punk · 12-10-2015, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mutt

What I'm saying is that if you're telling me the average working Joe in the Soviet Union could have an apartment AND a dacha in the country PLUS a MONTH at a Black Sea resort and he had 100% job security - there are many people who were living in capitalist countries like the US and Canada who would have traded much of their 'freedom' for that life.

I forgot to mention one more way to spend a weekend in Soviet Union. It's was called turbaza - an outdoor family camp. Those very not luxurious (I'd say they were spartan), but their main advantage was nature. For example, a company where my father was working for had a turbaza near the river. Everything was free there: free house, free breakfast, lunch and dinner. Also if you want to take a boat, you just take it for as many hours as you want - everything was owned by the company.

It was like this:

Barry-xlovecam · 12-10-2015, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ZiggiZiggiCrew

First her pic in google search

as you say "Western propaganda - maybe..."

About newspaper Novaya Gazeta...plz to use google translate and read more about
https://traditio.wiki/Новая_газета

If that picture is propaganda any picture with Putin is propaganda also -- same erroneous logic. Discredit the source? That's just too easy ... Did you read her original article in Russian that the article I quoted referred to? No.

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Novaya Gazeta (Russian: Новая газета, translated as New Gazette) is a Russian newspaper well known in its country for its critical and investigative coverage of Russian political and social affairs.[2] Six Novaya Gazeta journalists, including Yury Shchekochikhin, Anna Politkovskaya and Anastasia Baburova, have been murdered since 2001, in connection with their investigations[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novaya_Gazeta

Google says?

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Новая газета (Россия: Новая газета, переводится как Нью-Gazette) является русская газета хорошо известна в своей стране за ее критический и следственной охвата русских политических и социальных дел [2] Шесть Новой газеты журналистов, в том числе Юрия Щекочихина, Анны Политковской и. Анастасия Бабурова были убиты с 2001 года, в связи с их исследований [3]

I guess journalism is a dangerous business in Russia if you don't work for RT (bla bla bla)

j3rkules · 12-10-2015, 06:40 AM

Go on Putin. Evaporate them.

just a punk · 12-10-2015, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

I guess journalism is a dangerous business in Russia if you don't work for RT (bla bla bla)

Not that much dangerous than in the USA. The problem is that mos of "journalists" here are cheap whores. They won't prefer to take money from Putin for propaganda and bullshit instead of doing the real work. That's why a "journalist" and a "whore" are synonyms in Russia (I'm not kidding now). These are the most paid Russian cock-suscking whores:

Look at their faces. They all are fags that polish Putin's ass with their tongues 24/7.

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Here is how it was working. In the Soviet Union import products were available in Berezka shops only. Those were selling them for a foreign currency which was forbidden in the USSR. The official rate of 1 dollar was less than 1 ruble, but there was no legal way to do such an exchange. Course there was a black market (Russians have never been a law-abiding nation) where you could buy 1 dollar for about 4 rubles. So if you wanted to buy a Japanese electronics in Berezka, you had to overpay its price in 5-6 times. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

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Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	I'll let people from those countries whose parents have told them what life was like in a satellite Eastern Bloc country. You're the weird one, you claim over and over you are anti-Communist and anti-Putin but you spend most of your time defending the Soviet Union and Putin's Russia. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	Only an idiot would compare a price of raw (non-enriched) Uranium and coal to a natural gas and oil. I would repeat it again: only an idiot. Google for "Druzhba" pipeline. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

12-09-2015, 04:33 PM	#69
just a punk So fuckin' bored Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 32,381	I didn't get it. What is the news there? A "news" that Russian citizens (mostly Chechens) are fighting for Assad? This is not a secret. On the other hand, some are fighting for ISIS and that's not a secret too. The difference is that ones on ISIS side are outlaws here (if you want I will explain it in details), while those who fight for Assad are doing it almost officially. __________________ Obey the Cowgod

12-09-2015, 01:55 PM	#59
GAH Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 88	I'm actually beginning to admire Putin for his actions and words lately, I think what he says is never a threat, more a promise. The chances of ISIS being defeated once and for all has never been greater since Russia joined in. In some ways, the downing of the Russian plane is similar to Pearl Harbour, in getting Russia involved in the fight. If ISIS could do something similar to a Chinese plane it would hurry things along nicely, the fire power they have, then the man power to put boots on the ground would be in place and put an end to this horror for good. I could not care less what happens to President Assad and I hope Syria is never mentioned again on the news soon. It's always the Middle East, they have been the bane of the world since energy became god.

12-09-2015, 03:41 PM	#64
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	But Russia exports too ... Exporting terrorists from Chechnya and Dagestan to the Islamic Terrorist State and the factional Syrian Rebels then bombing them If there is any truth in this: Russia Is Sending Jihadis to Join ISIS - The Daily Beast Talk about an Evil Plan ...

12-09-2015, 04:09 PM	#66
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	Obviously, you didn’t read the article -- it clams that the local agents? of the FSB in those republics arranged their journey. Get rid of them (the separatists or terrorists) then bomb the shit out of them.

12-09-2015, 04:40 PM	#70
Barry-xlovecam It's 42 Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Global Posts: 18,083	You have the name of that Russian newspaper and the reporter's name. Translate that paragraph into Russian and get back with me.

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