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GoCastaway · 03-24-2020, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lockept93

I saw a whitelabel that block the registration buttons from models (The button is still visible but not clickable, on main chaturbate it is).
How to do that?

Thats not possible anymore after CB removed the custom css from the whitelabels.

I have some old whitelabels with custom css blocking a lot, but on the new ones its not

funkypigeon · 03-24-2020, 03:05 AM

anyone using AWE white label?

xxx6live · 03-24-2020, 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by funkypigeon

anyone using AWE white label?

Yes... but it needs different traffic than the free stuff chaturbaters are looking for.
.

ianmoone332000 · 03-24-2020, 08:37 AM

Is anyone doing well with cams.com though?. I like the look of the site ( not many leaks ) and going up to 35% when you get over 400 referrals is nice. Chaturbate is just gonna keep on allowing girls to steal our work so i need to start building somewhere else

heiko0o · 03-24-2020, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Is anyone doing well with cams.com though?. I like the look of the site ( not many leaks ) and going up to 35% when you get over 400 referrals is nice. Chaturbate is just gonna keep on allowing girls to steal our work so i need to start building somewhere else

Wondering as well. Bongacams and CamSoda can also be taken into consideration. I remember that the Bongacams website was crap back in 2016 and there were only sitters on the main page, but looking back at it in 2020 it actually looks quite promising, same as CamSoda

CourtneyR_FFN · 03-24-2020, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Is anyone doing well with cams.com though?. I like the look of the site ( not many leaks ) and going up to 35% when you get over 400 referrals is nice. Chaturbate is just gonna keep on allowing girls to steal our work so i need to start building somewhere else

Quote:

Originally Posted by heiko0o

Wondering as well. Bongacams and CamSoda can also be taken into consideration. I remember that the Bongacams website was crap back in 2016 and there were only sitters on the main page, but looking back at it in 2020 it actually looks quite promising, same as CamSoda

Hit me up if yall want to test out cams.com!

lockept93 · 03-24-2020, 09:14 AM

I wanted to test cams.com, but they force u to fill out tax formulars if you want register. Without you can't join. I will stick with chaturbate - or look up for other alternatives.

That's sad that cams.com makes it so complicated to promote them...

funkypigeon · 03-24-2020, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by xxx6live

Yes... but it needs different traffic than the free stuff chaturbaters are looking for.
.

what do you mean?

digitalfantasies · 03-24-2020, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by funkypigeon

what do you mean?

Most chaturbaters are not people looking to pay for webcam sex in the first place, chaturbate is setup to make people looking for free stuff convert in to paying customers.
Free traffic doesn't convert on premium private shows.

But premium private shows is much more profitable if you know how to get the right traffic.

My epc is miles better with non free sites than chaturbates free stuff. But very difficult to get high amounts of traffic.

lockept93 · 03-24-2020, 09:38 AM

Anyone got experience with stripchat? Looks pretty nice and easy.

funkypigeon · 03-24-2020, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Most chaturbaters are not people looking to pay for webcam sex in the first place, chaturbate is setup to make people looking for free stuff convert in to paying customers.
Free traffic doesn't convert on premium private shows.

But premium private shows is much more profitable if you know how to get the right traffic.

My epc is miles better with non free sites than chaturbates free stuff. But very difficult to get high amounts of traffic.

Thanks for the info! I get registrations with my AWE white label that has some backlinks from my main site but haven't seen any spenders. I'm not sure whether I should just create a white label chaturbate...

CourtneyR_FFN · 03-24-2020, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by lockept93

I wanted to test cams.com, but they force u to fill out tax formulars if you want register. Without you can't join. I will stick with chaturbate - or look up for other alternatives.

That's sad that cams.com makes it so complicated to promote them...

You don't have to fill out the tax forms to register, you do need them to get paid.

lockept93 · 03-24-2020, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CourtneyR_FFN

You don't have to fill out the tax forms to register, you do need them to get paid.

Where is the difference? But, I need to fill out a big paper form to register, I tried 1 day ago and also write with steve from here to ask if there is any way to skip it.

I cannot register without having a website and without filling up a tax formular.

Chaturbate and others don't force me to this - they just give me option to do my taxes organized. Thats the differents - And I don't like to be forced to any US Citizen laws, if I'm not a US citizen. I have tons of traffic I want send them and I don't feel like a partner, I feel like a costumer that need to put down the pants. That's why I don't want to work with cams.com.

Any affiliate program that don't let some affiliates easy register and start is thinking in the wrong way imo.

Same was with Crackvenue - They want to talk with me and ask me 1000 questions (whats my website, how I want promote bla bla) before making me free to promote...wtf.

90% of affiliate programs out there let u register and start, everything thats important is the traffic. Why some of these want to be something "speacial"?

TouchMyPp · 03-24-2020, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Is anyone doing well with cams.com though?. I like the look of the site ( not many leaks ) and going up to 35% when you get over 400 referrals is nice. Chaturbate is just gonna keep on allowing girls to steal our work so i need to start building somewhere else

I been reading this a lot “Model’s steal our work” how would that work if a model still our work? Are you talking about our referral and if so how can one do that? I don’t understand. If something is based off cookies and if you are the original person to put someone on how can a model steal it?

GoCastaway · 03-24-2020, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockept93

Where is the difference? But, I need to fill out a big paper form to register, I tried 1 day ago and also write with steve from here to ask if there is any way to skip it.

I cannot register without having a website and without filling up a tax formular.

Chaturbate and others don't force me to this - they just give me option to do my taxes organized. Thats the differents - And I don't like to be forced to any US Citizen laws, if I'm not a US citizen. I have tons of traffic I want send them and I don't feel like a partner, I feel like a costumer that need to put down the pants. That's why I don't want to work with cams.com.

Any affiliate program that don't let some affiliates easy register and start is thinking in the wrong way imo.

Same was with Crackvenue - They want to talk with me and ask me 1000 questions (whats my website, how I want promote bla bla) before making me free to promote...wtf.

90% of affiliate programs out there let u register and start, everything thats important is the traffic. Why some of these want to be something "speacial"?

And out of that, i see not much cammers.... 4 or 500 thats not much. I also want to get paid by Paxum or so, not cheque

TouchMyPp · 03-24-2020, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TouchMyPp

I been reading this a lot “Model’s steal our work” how would that work if a model still our work? Are you talking about our referral and if so how can one do that? I don’t understand. If something is based off cookies and if you are the original person to put someone on how can a model steal it?

I actually do good with models. Sometimes I can run a campaign with a model, have them follower her at such and such at my white label with her username. I receive the referral bonus and my model receives the long term premium customers. I’m was a cam model myself, and when I started making more money in the marketing aspect I switched up I want to know what other models are doing to cause some of ya to cry

GoCastaway · 03-24-2020, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TouchMyPp

I been reading this a lot “Model’s steal our work” how would that work if a model still our work? Are you talking about our referral and if so how can one do that? I don’t understand. If something is based off cookies and if you are the original person to put someone on how can a model steal it?

Looks like you dont read much here, take a look back...

lockept93 · 03-24-2020, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by GoCastaway

And out of that, i see not much cammers.... 4 or 500 thats not much. I also want to get paid by Paxum or so, not cheque

Yes thats an other point. I even didn't know that cheques still exists

Felt like something from the 80s.

2020 - If you don't offer payout via paypal and co. and also via bitcoin, you should jump into your time machine.

xxx6live · 03-24-2020, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by funkypigeon

Thanks for the info! I get registrations with my AWE white label that has some backlinks from my main site but haven't seen any spenders. I'm not sure whether I should just create a white label chaturbate...

It's difficult. Only you can test with your own traffic. But personally I would use the energy to get more traffic, not to make another WL. I earned zero on my CB whitelabel but your traffic might be different. Some here earns a lot with CB.

itx · 03-24-2020, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Most chaturbaters are not people looking to pay for webcam sex in the first place, chaturbate is setup to make people looking for free stuff convert in to paying customers.
Free traffic doesn't convert on premium private shows.

But premium private shows is much more profitable if you know how to get the right traffic.

My epc is miles better with non free sites than chaturbates free stuff. But very difficult to get high amounts of traffic.

Nice stats, your traffic is high quality, congrats!

ianmoone332000 · 03-24-2020, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchMyPp

I been reading this a lot “Model’s steal our work” how would that work if a model still our work? Are you talking about our referral and if so how can one do that? I don’t understand. If something is based off cookies and if you are the original person to put someone on how can a model steal it?

Even though it is not allowed, some girls write in their bio " To help support me please clear cookies and create a new account via this link ( the models referral link ). Every time you buy tokens i get 20% and it really supports me ". So basically people you have sent over to chaturbate are being stolen directly from you

ianmoone332000 · 03-24-2020, 12:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Most chaturbaters are not people looking to pay for webcam sex in the first place, chaturbate is setup to make people looking for free stuff convert in to paying customers.
Free traffic doesn't convert on premium private shows.

But premium private shows is much more profitable if you know how to get the right traffic.

My epc is miles better with non free sites than chaturbates free stuff. But very difficult to get high amounts of traffic.

Can i ask what that is your promoting?

pornuploader · 03-24-2020, 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lockept93

I wanted to test cams.com, but they force u to fill out tax formulars if you want register. Without you can't join. I will stick with chaturbate - or look up for other alternatives.

That's sad that cams.com makes it so complicated to promote them...

Same here, I wanted to give a try cams.com last year but after seeing that tax papers, i gave it up.

zhenyoung · 03-24-2020, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Can i ask what that is your promoting?

Can you share what that is your promoting?

Tumblr · 03-24-2020, 01:28 PM

How's Chaturbate ?
Do they do payout through P a y p a l

digitalfantasies · 03-24-2020, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Can i ask what that is your promoting?

Yes, it's camspower.com

bns666 · 03-24-2020, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Most chaturbaters are not people looking to pay for webcam sex in the first place, chaturbate is setup to make people looking for free stuff convert in to paying customers.
Free traffic doesn't convert on premium private shows.

But premium private shows is much more profitable if you know how to get the right traffic.

My epc is miles better with non free sites than chaturbates free stuff. But very difficult to get high amounts of traffic.

wow nice

ianmoone332000 · 03-24-2020, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

Yes, it's camspower.com

Thanks Digital. Cant find any info on their payout methods. Do they use Paxum?

GoCastaway · 03-24-2020, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Thanks Digital. Cant find any info on their payout methods. Do they use Paxum?

Also took a look on camspower, but the site is not 100% HTTPS, it's a so called "mixed" site, so be carefull

digitalfantasies · 03-24-2020, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Thanks Digital. Cant find any info on their payout methods. Do they use Paxum?

For me the only option available is wire, they do pay their models with paxum, I asked if I could get paid by paxum and they would get back to me but never did, but paxum closed my account so never bothered to ask again

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Originally Posted by GoCastaway

Also took a look on camspower, but the site is not 100% HTTPS, it's a so called "mixed" site, so be carefull

strange I get no mixed content warning

Edit: never mind, when I log out and go to camspower I do get mixed content warning. When logged in to affiliate area it's secure.

Mr. Deltoid · 03-24-2020, 06:45 PM

Does anyone know if some studios are now closed in Colombia and parts of East Europe? I'm noticing absences from quite a few Latin American performers in particular.

Tumblr · 03-24-2020, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by digitalfantasies

For me the only option available is wire, they do pay their models with paxum, I asked if I could get paid by paxum and they would get back to me but never did, but paxum closed my account so never bothered to ask again

strange I get no mixed content warning

Edit: never mind, when I log out and go to camspower I do get mixed content warning. When logged in to affiliate area it's secure.

Why did Paxum close your account ?

digitalfantasies · 03-24-2020, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tumblr

Why did Paxum close your account ?

They say because I was in breach of terms of service, but they refused to tell me what exactly.

I believe it was because I was talking shit about their service on twitter/facebook etc

TouchMyPp · 03-24-2020, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Even though it is not allowed, some girls write in their bio " To help support me please clear cookies and create a new account via this link ( the models referral link ). Every time you buy tokens i get 20% and it really supports me ". So basically people you have sent over to chaturbate are being stolen directly from you

I have a white label. So if a person I refer makes an account under my referral white label, then they delete their cookies wouldn’t I still make the revshare because they are already my referral by registration? Or are these models making people create new accounts, deleting cookies etc. if that’s the case that does suck but then again a person would not typically go to that extent unless they are head over heals for the model and will do anything they ask.

TouchMyPp · 03-24-2020, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchMyPp

I have a white label. So if a person I refer makes an account under my referral white label, then they delete their cookies wouldn’t I still make the revshare because they are already my referral by registration? Or are these models making people create new accounts, deleting cookies etc. if that’s the case that does suck but then again a person would not typically go to that extent unless they are head over heals for the model and will do anything they ask.

I just read your post thoroughly sorry. Yes chaturbate shouldn't allowed multiple accounts for users. I think the odds of someone creating a new account is slim but it still sucks if it happens. I will bring this up to chattbate and see what they say they can do about that.

heiko0o · 03-24-2020, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TouchMyPp

I have a white label. So if a person I refer makes an account under my referral white label, then they delete their cookies wouldn’t I still make the revshare because they are already my referral by registration? Or are these models making people create new accounts, deleting cookies etc. if that’s the case that does suck but then again a person would not typically go to that extent unless they are head over heals for the model and will do anything they ask.

Would be interested to know this as well. I believe that if they include a hyperlink to the original Chaturbate website (which a lot of cammodels do) then they get credited. Not sure how it is with whitelabels.

I wish there would be a way in the CSS to make all the outgoing links go back to the register-form of my whitelabel

GoCastaway · 03-25-2020, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by heiko0o

I wish there would be a way in the CSS to make all the outgoing links go back to the register-form of my whitelabel

Maybe someone can figure that out how to do...

This css is blocking a lot of links/images:

a[rel="nofollow"] {
visibility

dden;
}
img[rel="nofollow"] {
visibility

dden;
}

a[rel="nofollow"], a[rel="nofollow"] img {
visibility

dden;
}

drexl · 03-25-2020, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

i need to start building somewhere else

Dude, see link in my signature!

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Originally Posted by heiko0o

Would be interested to know this as well. I believe that if they include a hyperlink to the original Chaturbate website (which a lot of cammodels do) then they get credited. Not sure how it is with whitelabels.

Firstly, cookies are domain based so the "first cookie rule" does not work cross domains or rather it is the first cookie of the last domain that prevails.

Secondly even if you are already bound to customers, some broadcasters fish them back by displaying banners "change your username to show support" type of thing. Essentially reassigning your customers to them.
They use custom bios to achieve this, cb is riddled with these. Broadcasters can display affiliate links anywhere on the page, I even saw one replacing the main site logo with one of those.

Quote:

Originally Posted by heiko0o

I wish there would be a way in the CSS to make all the outgoing links go back to the register-form of my whitelabel

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Originally Posted by GoCastaway

Maybe someone can figure that out how to do...

Even if you could do that you would also need to change the campaign id otherwise the customer would register on your whitelabel but be assigned to the broadcasters.

This is not possible with CSS. The only way to deal with that is to have cb enforce official bio templates and to have customers bound for life (by using a unique customer identifier).

Speigelau · 03-25-2020, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by lockept93

Where is the difference? But, I need to fill out a big paper form to register, I tried 1 day ago and also write with steve from here to ask if there is any way to skip it.

I cannot register without having a website and without filling up a tax formular.

Chaturbate and others don't force me to this - they just give me option to do my taxes organized. Thats the differents - And I don't like to be forced to any US Citizen laws, if I'm not a US citizen. I have tons of traffic I want send them and I don't feel like a partner, I feel like a costumer that need to put down the pants. That's why I don't want to work with cams.com.

Any affiliate program that don't let some affiliates easy register and start is thinking in the wrong way imo.

Same was with Crackvenue - They want to talk with me and ask me 1000 questions (whats my website, how I want promote bla bla) before making me free to promote...wtf.

90% of affiliate programs out there let u register and start, everything thats important is the traffic. Why some of these want to be something "speacial"?

Any affiliate who is serious about their business should have no problem completing the necessary tax info upon signup. Cams.com has been around over 15 years and they know what they are doing. They want to verify you are who you say you are before you stand behind their product. There's always carders looking to signup as a pps affiliate and they are looking for programs who want as little info as possible so they can make a quick buck scamming them.

You've already admitted you use incentivized methods to force registration which is generally a terms of service violation on most programs and now you won't sign up as an affiliate to a program who wants your tax info and another who inquires about your traffic methods. Makes one wonder what you are up to.

Brian mike · 03-25-2020, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Speigelau

Any affiliate who is serious about their business should have no problem completing the necessary tax info upon signup. Cams.com has been around over 15 years and they know what they are doing. They want to verify you are who you say you are before you stand behind their product. There's always carders looking to signup as a pps affiliate and they are looking for programs who want as little info as possible so they can make a quick buck scamming them.

You've already admitted you use incentivized methods to force registration which is generally a terms of service violation on most programs and now you won't sign up as an affiliate to a program who wants your tax info and another who inquires about your traffic methods. Makes one wonder what you are up to.

heiko0o · 03-25-2020, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

This is not possible with CSS. The only way to deal with that is to have cb enforce official bio templates and to have customers bound for life (by using a unique customer identifier).

Okay, lets be real here. Who thinks that Chaturbate is gonna enforce something like this or atleast strictens there rules for models and Bio/Signature Abuse in the near future?

ianmoone332000 · 03-25-2020, 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by heiko0o

Okay, lets be real here. Who thinks that Chaturbate is gonna enforce something like this or atleast strictens there rules for models and Bio/Signature Abuse in the near future?

Nope. Its gonna get worse cause they never nipped it in the bud

ianmoone332000 · 03-25-2020, 04:38 AM

https://chaturbate.com/yesikasaenz/

How do you like your leaks in the morning?

drexl · 03-25-2020, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by heiko0o

Okay, lets be real here. Who thinks that Chaturbate is gonna enforce something like this or atleast strictens there rules for models and Bio/Signature Abuse in the near future?

Every company reviews their business model and website UI design now and again.

It is possible that at some point chaturbate designs a customizable template for broadcasters. This would make everyone happy. This would also benefit chaturbate themselves and not change their current business model.

They must have the financial means to do this.

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

Nope. Its gonna get worse cause they never nipped it in the bud

And yet you keep your signature pointing at them

Come on click on the link in my sig so I can refer you to an alternative cam program

ianmoone332000 · 03-25-2020, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Every company reviews their business model and website UI design now and again.

It is possible that at some point chaturbate designs a customizable template for broadcasters. This would make everyone happy. This would also benefit chaturbate themselves and not change their current business model.

They must have the financial means to do this.

And yet you keep your signature pointing at them

Come on click on the link in my sig so I can refer you to an alternative cam program

And im still sending them traffic as its my main income source. Im saying that i plan on building elsewhere as Chaturbate are screwing us over. Stop acting like you control this thread and being a know it all its tiresome now

drexl · 03-25-2020, 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

And im still sending them traffic as its my main income source. Im saying that i plan on building elsewhere as Chaturbate are screwing us over. Stop acting like you control this thread and being a know it all its tiresome now

Obviously you took it bad. Sorry about that, it is not my intention.

GoCastaway · 03-25-2020, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ianmoone332000

https://chaturbate.com/yesikasaenz/

How do you like your leaks in the morning?

OMG... How crazy can they make it? Even a PS4 controller as mouse cursor

AngryRacoon · 03-25-2020, 06:58 AM

I'm thinking of sending traffic from Google ads towards Chaturbate, and i'm wondering how many leads should i send as a test and when i can expect some revenue to being generated?

ianmoone332000 · 03-25-2020, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by drexl

Obviously you took it bad. Sorry about that, it is not my intention.

Ah i apologise then i thought you were having a go at me

ianmoone332000 · 03-25-2020, 08:44 AM

https://chaturbate.com/misss_vikki/

Shes been able to remove the chaturbate logo and replace with her own haha

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