PAY SITE Owners - Need your suggestions

Question 1: ANY video can be downloaded and thus pirated. So it really doesn't matter if you stream or allow downloads. The only metric I care about is which way helps with rebills (more $). With my specific business model I personally find letting Members download the videos = stronger rebills. That's just me. (We also have feeds that stream-only so really it's a mix of the two.) But it ties into...

Do folks in this thread tend to use the Proxigence ProxyPass solution and find it works for them?

Ding, ding ding... it isn't just you. We tried doing just streaming for several years (waaaay back) and it hurt the rebills (and trial conversions) of sites that did not have downloads. We also tried doing downloads for first few weeks of release and still, members did not agree. We then allowed streams and buried the downloads below. Members were happier and reviews got better. We also tracked what they were clicking on throughout these phases and we found that it was a very small segment that was actually downloading anything. It was just the illusion that they couldn't "own" the videos they paid for also the review sites were negatively impacting opinion.

...and buried the downloads below. Members were happier and reviews got better. We also tracked what they were clicking on throughout these phases and we found that it was a very small segment that was actually downloading anything. It was just the illusion that they couldn't "own" the videos they paid for also the review sites were negatively impacting opinion.

it would be awesome if there was a system where, when a user downloaded paysite videos, his username was inserted into the video as a watermark in random frames. would take some pretty fast transcoding, unless it was a format that allowed to insert a watermark on a single frame rather than try to render it to the entire video. The user might never know, but every time a video ended up on the internet you'd know who to ban.

it would be awesome if there was a system where, when a user downloaded paysite videos, his username was inserted into the video as a watermark in random frames. would take some pretty fast transcoding, unless it was a format that allowed to insert a watermark on a single frame rather than try to render it to the entire video. The user might never know, but every time a video ended up on the internet you'd know who to ban.

Not sure..........

You've been holding that in for 2 years?

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I have ran paysites for countless years, worked at ModelCentro, a platform for paysites so we see alot of user comments/complaints. I have also tested both ways. And people want downloads and will not stay signed up if they dont get them. They pay enough to get the content to download, simple as that, you can only stream so high of quality as well.

This is the rule, you never cater to the smaller percent. You never cater to the people ripping you off.

The percent of buyers out there is miniscule, youre dreaming if you think you can change that to be a ton more, you need to treat buyers well. You do not want to take downloads off the table because some people who wouldn't be signing up are torrenting your stuff. Especially when downloading is the norm. You give less, you get less. How you deal with free content is by giving more and working twice as hard. Not pulling back and giving less and investing less. Thats how you spiral much quicker

To answer your question. Dont bother dealing with piracy, send dmcas where you can, if youre paying for people to do it for you, its probably not worth it. Focus on your product. Your lack of sales is probably due to your content and the way you do things. Not because of piracy. If youre so big that youre being pirated a ton, its probably because youre huge. You aren't going to be downloaded by everybody if youre small. Like most of the industry, you accept that when youre that big, people will be looking to get your stuff cheaper. but by then, you will be big

Remove the infringers from google, send the occasional dmca if you want. Dont waste too much time. If theyre on that site, theyre not buyers. Removing from google helps the most

I wasted alot of time doing it and it took me a long time to realize my time was wasted and was better spent on bettering my products

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Not sure about downloads but there are companies (samples below) that offer forensic watermarking - which can't be removed. So, in case the video is pirated, the watermark can be extracted and the uploader identified, though the solution is quite costly.

https://pallycon.com/forensic-watermarking/
https://www.contentarmor.net/solutio...g-premium-vod/

I bet the sole fact that a user can be identified and disclosed with all consequences for him, is probably enough to deter them from pirating the scenes.

There are video platforms that offer encryption, watermarking and other tools but those watermarks are probably just video overlays that can be eliminated by experienced thieves.

Example:

https://www.muvi.com/video-on-demand-vod.html
https://help.muvi.com/help/player/ad...to-videos.html





Downloads (if offered) are probably not watermarked, though this service is still interesting.

Nice dead thread bump, I have done this with my developer since before this thread was first opened, in 2015 (Developed in 2012 originally) - I have a dedicated server (600-800$/month) that only renders videos after a user has requested it, and inserts a watermark that they will never be able to see or know about. Long story short - it's no longer worth it. I have kept my mouth shut about using these kinds of techniques and always have pirates identified every time they signup.

By the way - the moment you ban some account that is sharing the content, they will signup again immediately with another carded account and a new ip. Good luck.

this is existing.
a few weeks ago there was even a thread about it here - just can´t find it anymore.

I've had some good reviews from customers about https://autograph.xvid.com/