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  • baddog
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2001
    • 107089

    #1

    Business US Business owners: VAT question

    Have a long time European customer that is requesting we not forget to add the VAT to his invoice. Have any of you dealt with this? How?

    TIA
  • plaster
    So Fucking Banned
    • Apr 2015
    • 2295

    #2
    The 2015 eu vat law says you must pay his country the vat.

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    • baddog
      So Fucking Banned
      • Apr 2001
      • 107089

      #3
      Originally posted by plaster
      The 2015 eu vat law says you must pay his country the vat.
      So am I supposed to add a tax and mail it to his version of the IRS?

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      • blackmonsters
        Making PHP work
        • Nov 2002
        • 20979

        #4
        Never dealt with that myself but I would ask the client what is the VAT in his country
        and then "back out" that percentage and show it on the invoice.
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        • baddog
          So Fucking Banned
          • Apr 2001
          • 107089

          #5
          And does the VAT change according to the country he lives in?

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          • plaster
            So Fucking Banned
            • Apr 2015
            • 2295

            #6
            Originally posted by baddog
            And does the VAT change according to the country he lives in?
            Jurisdiction Rate (Standard) Rate (Reduced) Abbr. Name
            Austria 20% 12% or 10% MwSt. / USt. German: Mehrwertsteuer / Umsatzsteuer
            Belgium 21% 12% or 6%
            BTW
            TVA
            MWSt
            Dutch: Belasting over de toegevoegde waarde
            French: Taxe sur la Valeur Ajoutée
            German: Mehrwertsteuer
            Bulgaria 20% 9%[36] ДДС Bulgarian: Данък върху добавената стойност (Danăk vărhu dobavenata stojnost)
            Cyprus 19%[37] 9% or 5%[36] ΦΠΑ Greek: Φόρος Προστιθέμενης Αξίας (Fóros Prastithémenes Axías)
            Czech Republic 21% 15% or 10% DPH Czech: Daň z přidané hodnoty
            Croatia 25% 10% PDV Croatian: Porez na dodanu vrijednost
            Denmark 25% none moms Danish: Meromsætningsafgift
            Estonia 20% 9% km Estonian: käibemaks
            Finland 24%[38] 14% or 10%[39][40]
            ALV
            Moms
            Finnish: Arvonlisävero
            Swedish: Mervärdesskatt
            France[41] 20% 10%, 5.5% or 2.1% TVA French: Taxe sur la valeur ajoutée
            Germany 19% 7% MwSt. / USt. German: Mehrwertsteuer / Umsatzsteuer
            Greece 23%[42] 13% or 6%[43] ΦΠΑ Greek: Φόρος Προστιθέμενης Αξίας (Fóros Prostithémenis Axías)
            Hungary 27% 18% or 5%[36] ÁFA Hungarian: általános forgalmi adó
            Ireland 23%[44] 13.5%, 9%, 5%, 4.8% or 0%
            VAT
            CBL
            Value Added Tax
            Irish: Cáin Bhreisluacha
            Italy 22%[45] 10% or 4% IVA Italian: Imposta sul Valore Aggiunto
            Latvia 21%[46] 12% PVN Latvian: Pievienotās vērtības nodoklis
            Lithuania 21% 9% or 5% PVM Lithuanian: Pridėtinės vertės mokestis
            Luxembourg 17% [2] 14%, 8%, or 3% TVA French: Taxe sur la Valeur Ajoutée
            Malta 18% 7%, 5% or 0%[36] VAT Maltese: Taxxa fuq il-Valur Miżjud
            Netherlands 21%[47] 6% BTW Dutch: Belasting toegevoegde waarde
            Poland 23% 8%, 5%[36] PTU / VAT Polish: Podatek od towarów i usług
            Portugal 23%[48] 13% or 6%[48] IVA Portuguese: Imposto sobre o Valor Acrescentado
            Azores 18%[48] 9% or 4%[49] IVA Portuguese: Imposto sobre o Valor Acrescentado
            Madeira 22%[48] 12% or 5%[48] IVA Portuguese: Imposto sobre o Valor Acrescentado
            Romania 24% 9% or 5%[36] TVA Romanian: Taxa pe valoarea adăugată
            Slovakia 20% 10% DPH Slovak: Daň z pridanej hodnoty
            Slovenia 22% 9.5% DDV Slovene: Davek na dodano vrednost
            Spain 21%[50] 10% or 4%[50] IVA Spanish: Impuesto sobre el valor añadido
            Canary Islands 7% (is outside the European Union VAT area) 0% or 2% IGIC Spanish: Impuesto General Indirecto Canario
            Sweden 25% 12% or 6% Moms Swedish: Mervärdesskatt
            United Kingdom
            Isle of Man

            20% 5%[51] and 0%[52]
            VAT
            TAW
            English: Value Added Tax
            Welsh: Treth ar Werth

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            • baddog
              So Fucking Banned
              • Apr 2001
              • 107089

              #7
              Thanks, I have a feeling this is going to be a PITA

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              • BigFurry
                Confirmed User
                • Nov 2003
                • 1574

                #8
                You can't just randomly add VAT to an invoice, you can only charge VAT if you're VAT registered.

                This seems like a pretty good summary and a good starting point for US businesses regarding VAT:
                http://export.gov/europeanunion/buil..._eu_089244.pdf

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                • celandina
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 11728

                  #9
                  If you are EU business selling to outside EU no VAT is charged.
                  If you are US ( or anywhre otside of EU jurisdiction) business selling to EU no VAT is charged.
                  If you are EU and sellingbto EU must charge VAT.

                  The rest is dealt with the varrious custom rules...

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                  • BigFurry
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 1574

                    #10
                    Originally posted by celandina
                    If you are EU business selling to outside EU no VAT is charged.
                    If you are US ( or anywhre otside of EU jurisdiction) business selling to EU no VAT is charged.
                    If you are EU and sellingbto EU must charge VAT.

                    The rest is dealt with the varrious custom rules...
                    It's not that simple anymore. Read the document linked above.

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                    • blackmonsters
                      Making PHP work
                      • Nov 2002
                      • 20979

                      #11
                      Originally posted by celandina
                      If you are EU business selling to outside EU no VAT is charged.
                      If you are US ( or anywhre otside of EU jurisdiction) business selling to EU no VAT is charged.
                      If you are EU and sellingbto EU must charge VAT.

                      The rest is dealt with the varrious custom rules...
                      Yeah, I wouldn't pay a tax to a another country when my business is not physically there and
                      don't think I'd even have the right to collect it from the buyer.

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                      • Ferus
                        Bye - Left to do stuff
                        • Feb 2013
                        • 4108

                        #12
                        Dosent he mean he wants you to specify the VAT on the invoice ("0" if you dont charge)?

                        The rules are different depenging on what service/product you are selling and his home-country

                        In general:
                        - IF you are selling to the EU, and you dont add VAT, he will have to pay the VAT in his country.
                        - If you are adding VAT, you need to specify it on the invoice, since he only have to pay the difference between your VAT and the VAT in his country.

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                        • baddog
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Apr 2001
                          • 107089

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Ferus
                          Dosent he mean he wants you to specify the VAT on the invoice ("0" if you dont charge)?

                          The rules are different depenging on what service/product you are selling and his home-country

                          In general:
                          - IF you are selling to the EU, and you dont add VAT, he will have to pay the VAT in his country.
                          - If you are adding VAT, you need to specify it on the invoice, since he only have to pay the difference between your VAT and the VAT in his country.
                          The more I read the more confused I get. Some of what I read implies the EU resident isn't taxed but my company is

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                          • iSpyCams
                            Amateur Gynecologist
                            • May 2009
                            • 4436

                            #14
                            This going to have to be handled on a payment processor or gateway level in order to not confuse the hell out of webmasters. I personally have no idea how to tackle it.
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                            • Barry-xlovecam
                              It's 42
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 18083

                              #15
                              http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs..._ec_annexi.pdf

                              this is for b2c purposes

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                              • baddog
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Apr 2001
                                • 107089

                                #16
                                Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                Mine is b2b. If the client has to pay if I don't I guess that clears that up, but I have my doubts it is that easy. I don't feel like paying taxes to a bunch of other countries

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                                • Barry-xlovecam
                                  It's 42
                                  • Jun 2010
                                  • 18083

                                  #17
                                  b2b is generally exempt -- services in the production of goods for sale are part of the COGS (*cost of goods sold)
                                  The VAT is included in the b2c sales value (price) generally.

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                                  • MaDalton
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                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 39861

                                    #18
                                    As far as I know no VAT applies if your client is B2B and VAT registered in the EU and you are based in the US.

                                    At least it's like that the other way round for me.
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                                    • baddog
                                      So Fucking Banned
                                      • Apr 2001
                                      • 107089

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                                      As far as I know no VAT applies if your client is B2B and VAT registered in the EU and you are based in the US.

                                      At least it's like that the other way round for me.
                                      I am going to go this route, thanks

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                                      • BigFurry
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Nov 2003
                                        • 1574

                                        #20
                                        Yes, http://export.gov/europeanunion/buil..._eu_089244.pdf has the same info:

                                        Page 5:
                                        III. VAT rules on the supply of services to EU customers

                                        When it comes to B2B transactions, in many cases, the business customer will account for VAT using the reverse charge procedure thus making it not necessary for a U.S. based supplier to register for a VAT number in the EU.

                                        However, under certain circumstances - depending on the relevant legislation of each Member State -, registration for VAT purposes is necessary. This may occur when the buyer is a non-business customer not registered for VAT purposes. For example, radio and television broadcasting services are governed by specific EU rules requiring non-EU suppliers to register in the Member State where they are providing the service to non-business customers.

                                        Consequently, where a U.S. producer needs to pay VAT and at what rate depends not only on the type of service that is provided, but also what the status of the customer that is receiving the service. This is either a taxable person (which is a business customer acting in an economic capacity) or a non-taxable person (the final consumer who is not carrying out any further activity).

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                                        • baddog
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 107089

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BigFurry
                                          Yes, http://export.gov/europeanunion/buil..._eu_089244.pdf has the same info:

                                          Page 5:
                                          III. VAT rules on the supply of services to EU customers

                                          When it comes to B2B transactions, in many cases, the business customer will account for VAT using the reverse charge procedure thus making it not necessary for a U.S. based supplier to register for a VAT number in the EU.

                                          However, under certain circumstances - depending on the relevant legislation of each Member State -, registration for VAT purposes is necessary. This may occur when the buyer is a non-business customer not registered for VAT purposes. For example, radio and television broadcasting services are governed by specific EU rules requiring non-EU suppliers to register in the Member State where they are providing the service to non-business customers.

                                          Consequently, where a U.S. producer needs to pay VAT and at what rate depends not only on the type of service that is provided, but also what the status of the customer that is receiving the service. This is either a taxable person (which is a business customer acting in an economic capacity) or a non-taxable person (the final consumer who is not carrying out any further activity).
                                          So, if my customer doesn't register as a business I am supposed to be responsible for paying the tax? If so, Americans will register as a business to reduce taxes. Is it the opposite in the EU?

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                                          • nm_
                                            Confirmed User
                                            • May 2011
                                            • 328

                                            #22
                                            Lol this makes no sense. Why would you pay taxes to a country you don't live or run your business out of?? Even if this is a new law in eu, how will this ever be enforced in the US.......

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                                            • Barry-xlovecam
                                              It's 42
                                              • Jun 2010
                                              • 18083

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by nm_
                                              Lol this makes no sense. Why would you pay taxes to a country you don't live or run your business out of?? Even if this is a new law in eu, how will this ever be enforced in the US.......
                                              You got it wrong -- being the tax collector for another country.

                                              search: 'nexus for collection of sales and use taxes'

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