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Business NATS + Merch Acc worth it?

11-16-2015, 06:31 AM

A client is asking whether it would benefit them by moving away from CCBill / Epoch to NATS and there own merchant accounts.

Right now things are simple, a server and 3rd party billing who pay the affiliates and that about it and are grossing approx 25k - 30k per month on new sales and rebills combined.

How much benefit would it be for them to go down the nats / merc acc route?
Cost wise, would it be worth it once you factor in the extra nats and gateway fees, additional servers and more importantly, getting some reliable company to set everything up and learning nats and gateways.
Then there is manually paying affiliates and looking after merchant account.

What do you think, worth it or a whole lot of work, time and extra $$ for a small time consuming return?
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11-16-2015, 06:34 AM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

Right now things are simple

Things are simple but they are losing out on about 50% of revenue.

definitely worth it
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11-16-2015, 06:36 AM

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Things are simple buy they are losing out on about 50% of revenue.

definitely worth it

50%? More like 10-15% I would say.
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11-16-2015, 06:49 AM

Originally posted by Muad'Dib

Things are simple but they are losing out on about 50% of revenue.

definitely worth it

50%? I find that hard to believe.

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50%? More like 10-15% I would say.
We're talking paysites right?

Correct.
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11-16-2015, 11:22 AM

It's worth it. The extra money saved by processing at practically half your accustomed rates is a lot of money no matter if you have low or high volume. As for customer support, our clients find that after doing their own customer support for a short time, they wonder why they never did it before because it's a snap.

In any case, Payze have a very specific way of integrating your merchant account into NATS. Not just simply "add new biller", everyone is integrated that way. I mean we take the MID and literally place it inside your NATS installation. This is a unique feature that only we offer. Our clients never need to leave their NATS admin to perform any billing functions. (reporting, refunds, cancels, new site set-ups, price changes, etc.)

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11-16-2015, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

50%? I find that hard to believe.

Correct.

Then really it comes down to volume, how much control you want and how much hassle you are willing to go through. If you have the volume then the extra % makes sense. If not, then how much is an additional % worth to you? That's the real question.

Also, if you are "low on tech skills" then I wouldn't even bother. LOL

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11-16-2015, 11:57 AM

Tough call, though will go against the grain and say no on that volume. Especially if everything is in place and running fine. But you would have to weigh your individual needs against the pros and cons ... and there's a TON of pros and cons to a decision like that.

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11-16-2015, 12:24 PM

I made that switch and there's definitely good and bad, for me the biggest plus is being able to control the scrub and the # of retries on rebills.

If you have a good idea of what a fraud join looks like you might be leaving money on the table by using a 3rd party's cookie cutter filters. And I did see a very large increase in recurring billing just switching from 3rd party "one try and forget it" rebills to Netbilling's default 4 attempts on soft declines, which can also be customized. I mean seriously rebills nearly doubled.

I also enjoyed getting paid every day with under a week hold, rather than waiting a couple of weeks for my cash to flow to me.

There is definitely a lot to learn though, and it's entirely possible you won't save any money. It's also possible to make some big and expensive mistakes - with great power comes great responsibility.

It's no small task to set up and administer every day, I was ecstatic at first to see all the additional activity but years later I feel that 3rd party billers do earn their money in terms of the additional headaches private merchants have to deal with. I guess you just have to decide if you have the time and energy to get into the learning curve and and roll your own, or pay retail for shrink wrapped solutions.

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11-16-2015, 01:39 PM

If you want to grow bigger I'd recommend the move. You need to put in some extra hours and $ though.

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11-16-2015, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

A client is asking whether it would benefit them by moving away from CCBill / Epoch to NATS and there own merchant accounts.

Right now things are simple, a server and 3rd party billing who pay the affiliates and that about it and are grossing approx 25k - 30k per month on new sales and rebills combined.

How much benefit would it be for them to go down the nats / merc acc route?
Cost wise, would it be worth it once you factor in the extra nats and gateway fees, additional servers and more importantly, getting some reliable company to set everything up and learning nats and gateways.
Then there is manually paying affiliates and looking after merchant account.

What do you think, worth it or a whole lot of work, time and extra $$ for a small time consuming return?

Hi,

Your client will absolutely see the benefits once they learn our system and see the control and flexibility that they will have using their own merchant account with our system. We are happy to do a full walkthrough and demo for you and your client and we can setup the merchant accounts as well. NETbilling offers several features gat others do no and we can handle all customer support via online and email as well 24/7 in our call center.

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11-16-2015, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by pompousjohn

I made that switch and there's definitely good and bad, for me the biggest plus is being able to control the scrub and the # of retries on rebills.

If you have a good idea of what a fraud join looks like you might be leaving money on the table by using a 3rd party's cookie cutter filters. And I did see a very large increase in recurring billing just switching from 3rd party "one try and forget it" rebills to Netbilling's default 4 attempts on soft declines, which can also be customized. I mean seriously rebills nearly doubled.

I also enjoyed getting paid every day with under a week hold, rather than waiting a couple of weeks for my cash to flow to me.

There is definitely a lot to learn though, and it's entirely possible you won't save any money. It's also possible to make some big and expensive mistakes - with great power comes great responsibility.

It's no small task to set up and administer every day, I was ecstatic at first to see all the additional activity but years later I feel that 3rd party billers do earn their money in terms of the additional headaches private merchants have to deal with. I guess you just have to decide if you have the time and energy to get into the learning curve and and roll your own, or pay retail for shrink wrapped solutions.

Thanks for the plug John and we appreciate your business. Looking forward to seeing you in January.

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11-16-2015, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

A client is asking whether it would benefit them by moving away from CCBill / Epoch to NATS and there own merchant accounts.

Right now things are simple, a server and 3rd party billing who pay the affiliates and that about it and are grossing approx 25k - 30k per month on new sales and rebills combined.

How much benefit would it be for them to go down the nats / merc acc route?
Cost wise, would it be worth it once you factor in the extra nats and gateway fees, additional servers and more importantly, getting some reliable company to set everything up and learning nats and gateways.
Then there is manually paying affiliates and looking after merchant account.

What do you think, worth it or a whole lot of work, time and extra $$ for a small time consuming return?

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11-17-2015, 07:23 AM

Is nats that much of a ballache to set up then?
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11-17-2015, 07:32 AM

yeah using thise nats and mec acc is realy realy profitable......

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11-17-2015, 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

Is nats that much of a ballache to set up then?

NATS was awesome a few years back when there were thousands of affiliates with great traffic and sending sales and had to be paid.

These days...not so sure of that. The cost for NATS vs. the money coming in from affiliates may not make that part of the equation cost effective.

If I were you, I'd leave the affiliate program with the third party billing. And then get a merchant account for your type in and seo sales.
I did that by having a different URL for type in and seo as opposed to the url used for affiliate traffic.

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11-17-2015, 08:08 AM

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11-17-2015, 08:12 AM

The big question they need to ask, is will it affect current affiliate links.

If so, the move could lose them affiliates.

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11-17-2015, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by Tubevideditor

Is nats that much of a ballache to set up then?

It's not that it's a pain, it just needs to be set up. The TMM folks don't assume anything about your setup, so there's no "default" setup that you can use and then tweak, like say for example wordpress, where you start with a working blog and modify the stuff you don't like.

Since it's pretty flexible it is also pretty unassuming and may seem un-intuitive. The wiki is an excellent resource and you can make support tickets to your heart's content. They won't do your setup for you but they will point you in the right direction and tell you what you did wrong - and you will most likely do stuff wrong the first time.

It is a little bit harder to set up with 3rd party billing, IMO because your pricing options and join forms will need to be set up in both nats and your biller. But with Netbilling or similar you can do almost 100% of the config just in nats, so less work.

Once it is set up, it is very solid and so it's easy for me to forget how to do stuff because I never need to revisit anything I set up once it's working.

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11-17-2015, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by DVTimes

The big question they need to ask, is will it affect current affiliate links.

If so, the move could lose them affiliates.

It is entirely possible to do it without affecting current affiliates, but it would need to be setup carefully to avoid creating traffic leaks or breaking another system's tracking.

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11-17-2015, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by Robbie

If I were you, I'd leave the affiliate program with the third party billing. And then get a merchant account for your type in and seo sales.
I did that by having a different URL for type in and seo as opposed to the url used for affiliate traffic.

I would be interested in some more info on this setup Robbie. You around on ICQ much?

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11-17-2015, 12:55 PM

Yeah, my icq is on now

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11-17-2015, 07:45 PM

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11-17-2015, 08:52 PM

Originally posted by The Porn Nerd

I would be interested in some more info on this setup Robbie. You around on ICQ much?

Robbie uses NETbilling as well so if you have any questions after chatting with Robbie, feel free to context with us.

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11-19-2015, 06:54 AM

Using an affiliate software, Nats or Sliiing is worth it with or without a merchant account, adding the merch account will just mean less $ being left on the table.

We use a mix of merchant accounts and 3rd party.

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12-18-2015, 07:35 AM

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12-18-2015, 08:02 AM

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12-18-2015, 08:56 AM

Originally posted by Robbie

NATS was awesome a few years back when there were thousands of affiliates with great traffic and sending sales and had to be paid.

These days...not so sure of that. The cost for NATS vs. the money coming in from affiliates may not make that part of the equation cost effective.

If I were you, I'd leave the affiliate program with the third party billing. And then get a merchant account for your type in and seo sales.
I did that by having a different URL for type in and seo as opposed to the url used for affiliate traffic.

We did the same but have Nats as well. Helps on a lot of levels. Yes they are a bit expensive but for the most part worth it if you take the time to use it.

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