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#101

11-21-2016, 03:08 AM

Originally posted by Matyko

I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp

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Important Update: it is NOT DDFCash.com/DDFNetwork.com who is sending out the (fake) DMCAs, it seems Jordan Pryce and her fuckbuddy are doing this crazy retarded show and causing trouble to lots of producers and companies.

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If I got your DDF Cash username correctly from your site, I really Don't see any uploaded invoice attached to your account.

You can send invoice directly to me at [email protected] or add me on Skype anteddf or ICQ 684699867 if you need assistance creating one.

Thank you for your cooperation!

And yes, we are getting this DMCA bulshit from affiliates promoting either Tigerr Benson or Jordan Pryce. We are taking some legal steps here but we can't do much because it's really random email and message.

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#102

11-21-2016, 03:13 AM

Originally posted by GLMBV

wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one..
If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

Agree. You can do legit business with DDF.

There are a lot of affiliate programs that are reluctant to give you their company name and business address. Hard to do your accounting like that...
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#103

11-23-2016, 02:28 AM

They also not responding my emails about Payment.
Btw, whole DDF has been sold last year to different person!
Denis De Francesco is not owner Anymore.

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#104

11-23-2016, 02:35 AM

Originally posted by axel77

They also not responding my emails about Payment.
Btw, whole DDF has been sold last year to different person!
Denis De Francesco is not owner Anymore.

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#105

11-23-2016, 08:48 AM

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#106

11-23-2016, 08:57 AM

Originally posted by Sly

I receive money multiple times a month from multiple European companies. They all generate the invoice automatically, email it to me, and pay the invoice without any involvement on my side. This can all be easily automated.

This is almost 2016 now and automatic driving vehicles are a real possibility, automated invoices is cake.

This is the simple answer.

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#107

11-25-2016, 04:47 PM

I'd like to point out that it's been a year and I haven't had one single other European program demand an affiliate-generated invoice in order to get paid. Apparently all the Euro-bros were just talking shit out of their mouths about that being the new universal requirement...

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#108

11-25-2016, 04:53 PM

why is this even an issue
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11-25-2016, 08:05 PM

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#110

11-26-2016, 12:08 AM

Did they send d money sir
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#111

02-11-2017, 10:28 PM

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

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#112

02-12-2017, 07:25 AM

Originally posted by Flaer

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

what a disgrace looks like puffycash is going down the same road, greedy eu criminals

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#113

02-12-2017, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Flaer

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

HOLY SHIT! That is fucked up

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#114

02-12-2017, 10:17 AM

Originally posted by Flaer

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

This is insane.

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#115

02-12-2017, 10:53 PM

All ddf support emails not works, form for invoices in admin panel also not works...
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02-13-2017, 12:05 AM

glad I stopped promoting them years ago.

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#117

09-09-2018, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Flaer

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Sorry for bumping this old thread but I was wondering if anyone got the same message this year by mail or whatever??

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#118

09-09-2018, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Sharon1974

Sorry for bumping this old thread but I was wondering if anyone got the same message this year by mail or whatever??

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#119

09-10-2018, 03:17 AM

No issues here, they pay quickly after uploading invoices.
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#120

09-10-2018, 05:30 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

No issues here, they pay quickly after uploading invoices.

Thanks, I know. But that was not my question :-) Did they send out a warning by the end of 2017 or early 2018 about stealing your money if you do not send them a invoice before a certain date?

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#121

09-10-2018, 10:47 AM

What email do we send invoices 2
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09-12-2018, 04:54 AM

Bump for info :-) Did they send out a warning by the end of 2017 or early 2018 about stealing your money if you do not send them a invoice before a certain date?

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#123

01-22-2019, 05:31 PM

notice in their NATS:
Upload your invoice for any Pending payouts for 2018 by February 28th so we can process and pay out all pending payments and close our accounting for 2018. This is absolutely Mandatory that all invoices are received and are filled out properly as after March 1st, any payouts still pending from 2018 cannot be paid out, and you will lose your hard earned money with us. This is why we are giving 2 Months notice to give you plenty of time to sort the invoices.

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#124

01-22-2019, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by StefanG

there's nothing wrong with treating this like a professional business, I am surprised for how long companies got away without this

The opposition to this proves most affiliates aren't professionals. Suggesting the payer issues an invoice to himself, shows how stupid some are.

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#125

01-23-2019, 08:30 AM

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#126

01-23-2019, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

The opposition to this proves most affiliates aren't professionals. Suggesting the payer issues an invoice to himself, shows how stupid some are.

It's not entirely stupid. It might not have been what they had in mind, but in Europe it's possible to create self-billing invoices.

AWE does this for example.

Although it's probably not possible to do in all countries - the UK website requires both parties to be VAT registered for instance, which wouldn't work well for a sponsor.

Some sources:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...icing-rules_en

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...May%202014.pdf
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#127

01-15-2020, 12:10 AM

DDFcash owns me payouts for the whole 2018 and 2019. A half year ago they told me they cannot pay me for the 2018 because I didn't send them the invoices (their emails were coming to spam folder). I replied to them that everything is possible and solvable (we can invoice them for services/affiliate services,etc). We are Czech Republic based company. Since that time, they DOESN'T REPLY to all of my emails at all. Please contact me if someone is reading this message. Thank you. Lukke
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#128

01-16-2020, 05:22 PM

Are they no longer owned by gammea?

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#129

01-16-2020, 08:26 PM

None of these recent posts have given me any cause to regret the things I said in 2015 in this thread:

Originally posted by Forkbeard

Why shouldn't I waste an hour breaking this down and explaining to DDF Cash exactly WHY that affiliate email and Paul's butthurt responses here make DDF look shady and dangerous for affiliates to do business with?

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When I got your email I didn't have "questions", I had a visceral reaction of "shit, there goes another program down the tubes."

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I have a few fundamental rules that I follow when deciding which affiliate programs I trust enough to send traffic to. The single most important criterion I use is: "Does this program sound like it wants to pay me? Are they making every effort to sound reassuring about the idea that I will get my money no matter what?"

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This does NOT sound like someone who is making "getting every affiliate paid on time every time without making them beg for it" a top priority.

1) The default rule for any program is that they must pay without demand. ... The program should pay me without demand when the minimum is reached. These are the irreducible basics of the affiliate/program relationships. If I have to notice that I've reached a payment minimum and make a payment demand, the company goes on my list as potentially shady and not to be trusted for future promotion.

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Have you really been running an affiliate program for all these years without understanding that it's your obligation to pay affiliates without making them demand payment first? I want to get paid out when I reach the minimum in NATS, that why I didn't set a higher minimum. It's shady programs that don't pay up until the affiliate writes and demands payment. If you're not a shady program, you don't want to look or sound like a shady program. This makes you look and sound like a shady program. And whether you are "looking to keep" anyone's payments or not, you damned well know and understand that there will be affiliates who never invoice you. You will pocket that money. You are not among the angels here.

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Nobody wants to drop you for "being compliant". If anybody drops you it's going to be because you sent a LOUD signal that paying your affiliates is not a top priority.

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It makes you look bad. It makes you look VERY bad. Because it makes you look less than committed to getting affiliates paid on time, every time, without demand. It makes you look like you really aren't concerned about doing that.

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If you want affiliates, they need to trust you to pay them. Appearances matter. The way you communicate your requirements? It it matters. The impression you give, the amount of zealousness you display, about making sure affiliates get paid? It all matters. And you have screwed this up, big time.

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#130

01-16-2020, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

None of these recent posts have given me any cause to regret the things I said in 2015 in this thread:
Five years later, not a word looks wrong to me!

There are way bigger issues with some other programs than requiring invoices. Not paying, late payments, traffic leaks, shaving, etc.

You might have had to issue invoices for DDF, but they paid them without missing a beat and no other problems.

They changed their system mid-2019 btw, you don't need to send them invoices for newly generated payments anymore, they are paid automatically.
(I think they might have switched to self-billing invoices like AWE.)
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01-17-2020, 07:43 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

You might have had to issue invoices for DDF, but they paid them without missing a beat and no other problems.

This thread is full of contrary reports, including the most recent bump from someone who is not only unpaid, but not getting responses to emails.

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#132

01-17-2020, 01:21 PM

Much ado about nothing.

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01-18-2020, 01:14 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

It's not entirely stupid. It might not have been what they had in mind, but in Europe it's possible to create self-billing invoices.

AWE does this for example.

Although it's probably not possible to do in all countries - the UK website requires both parties to be VAT registered for instance, which wouldn't work well for a sponsor.

Some sources:
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...May%202014.pdf

Not sure what I meant by self-billing. It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

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01-18-2020, 01:46 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

That's true in some cases but Forkbeard has a point too.

Some affiliates promote hundreds of programs, and it's hard to keep track of all. If I had to issue invoices for all affiliate programs and follow up if they're really paid, it would be a real pain in the ass. Luckily only a few programs require it.
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01-18-2020, 07:17 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

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01-18-2020, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

That's true in some cases but Forkbeard has a point too.

Some affiliates promote hundreds of programs, and it's hard to keep track of all. If I had to issue invoices for all affiliate programs and follow up if they're really paid, it would be a real pain in the ass. Luckily only a few programs require it.

This applies to now, not 10 years ago. Affiliates who promote 100s of programs aren't much use to those programs unless they send enough sales to warrant making an invoice once every 3 months or less.

DDF produces good content that costs money, so if affiliates want 50% they had better make sure they're sending enough sales to make it worth the affiliates time to issue invoices. If you think programs are falling over themselves because you send 1 or 2 sales a month, you're obsolete to them.

Tubes need 100s of programs to fill their site more than 100s of programs need them. Today programs need the big boys of the industry more than the little guys. It's not 2004.

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01-18-2020, 08:49 AM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

So no other program asks you to issue them with an invoice and you're wasting time about bitching that one program asked you to act like a real business. If I give you $5 will you buy yourself a new life, the one you have must suck. LOL

How many sales a month do you send them? 5 would be 15 every 3 months and worth a couple of $100. Less and why should they bother over you?

How many programs do you promote?

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01-18-2020, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using

Not true, it's fairly common at least for CPA networks.
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01-18-2020, 09:37 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

This applies to now, not 10 years ago. Affiliates who promote 100s of programs aren't much use to those programs unless they send enough sales to warrant making an invoice once every 3 months or less.

DDF produces good content that costs money, so if affiliates want 50% they had better make sure they're sending enough sales to make it worth the affiliates time to issue invoices. If you think programs are falling over themselves because you send 1 or 2 sales a month, you're obsolete to them.

Tubes need 100s of programs to fill their site more than 100s of programs need them. Today programs need the big boys of the industry more than the little guys. It's not 2004.

This is not true, affiliate joins/rebills have a very long tail. In a bigger program, after a few big affiliates sending a lot of sales, you have hundreds of affiliates who send 1-2 sales per month. And then thousands who do even less.

But they do want these affiliates, because when you add these small affiliates together they represent a large volume. And sales aren't the only thing that matter. Affiliates sending traffic at 1:10000 ratios are useful too, because they're providing huge publicity for almost free. (Bandwidth is super cheap.)

It's also impossible to tell who is or who will be a big affiliate. An affiliate sending 1 join per month to you might be sending 100 per month to another program. If you don't accept them or treat them badly, you'll never know what kind of business they could bring to you.

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company. The biggest programs in adult are still open to affiliates of all sizes.

(I'm talking about traditional paysites and camsites mainly, certainly there are private CPA network with different business models.)
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01-18-2020, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

Originally posted by fuzebox

Not true, it's fairly common at least for CPA networks.

There are some other paysite programs that have it too. Czech Cash, Virtual Real Cash, Stacked Cash, Puffy Cash, Vipissy Cash, Easy X Cash.

The truth is that in general European companies DO need invoices. Some big programs (AWE, AdultForce, possibly DDF too now) have solved it by creating self-billing invoices.
A lot of small programs might be doing this too in the background. Or they just don't give a shit, but they haven't got a tax audit yet. :P
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01-18-2020, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

So no other program asks you to issue them with an invoice and you're wasting time about bitching that one program asked you to act like a real business. If I give you $5 will you buy yourself a new life, the one you have must suck. LOL

How many sales a month do you send them? 5 would be 15 every 3 months and worth a couple of $100. Less and why should they bother over you?

How many programs do you promote?

Not relevant questions. Why do you give a fuck about me? This thread is about at company's business ethics and practices. You're just trying to change the subject.

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01-18-2020, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

There are some other paysite programs that have it too. Czech Cash, Virtual Real Cash, Stacked Cash, Puffy Cash, Vipissy Cash, Easy X Cash.

The truth is that in general European companies DO need invoices. Some big programs (AWE, AdultForce, possibly DDF too now) have solved it by creating self-billing invoices.

It's a big world. I was of course speaking forcefully about my own experience, which is broad but not universal. I'm never surprised to learn of a few additional data points outside my experience. But where are the threads from people saying "I didn't get my invoices in on time, so they took my money?"

The bottom line will never change. If you aren't treating paying out affiliate-earned moneys as an absolute obligation, your program is untrustworthy.

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01-19-2020, 02:09 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

This is not true, affiliate joins/rebills have a very long tail. In a bigger program, after a few big affiliates sending a lot of sales, you have hundreds of affiliates who send 1-2 sales per month. And then thousands who do even less.

But they do want these affiliates, because when you add these small affiliates together they represent a large volume. And sales aren't the only thing that matter. Affiliates sending traffic at 1:10000 ratios are useful too, because they're providing huge publicity for almost free. (Bandwidth is super cheap.)

It's also impossible to tell who is or who will be a big affiliate. An affiliate sending 1 join per month to you might be sending 100 per month to another program. If you don't accept them or treat them badly, you'll never know what kind of business they could bring to you.

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company. The biggest programs in adult are still open to affiliates of all sizes.

(I'm talking about traditional paysites and camsites mainly, certainly there are private CPA network with different business models.)

If that were true programs like DDF? would be falling over themselves to look after small guys. It's 2020 not 2004 things have changed.

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01-19-2020, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Forkbeard

Not relevant questions. Why do you give a fuck about me? This thread is about at company's business ethics and practices. You're just trying to change the subject.

If you can't issue an invoice once a month or once every three months. Drop the program and issue one yearly. For the rebills you still get.

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01-19-2020, 09:45 AM

You're just trolling now. This thread isn't about me.

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01-19-2020, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by BigFurry

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company.

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.
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01-19-2020, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by fuzebox

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.

Depend on system which is used - if everything is done manually, then yes it could be complete mess but with proper automation wonders can be done.
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01-19-2020, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by fuzebox

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.

Tell this to Amazon ;)

But sure, it can be. But it doesn't need to be, if it's largely automated.
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01-19-2020, 10:26 PM

Does someone have a working skype contact for ddf cash? I tried to contact ante on skype wg.ddf.ac to get paid, but did not get an answer.
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Lukke

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#150

01-19-2020, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Lukke

DDFcash owns me payouts for the whole 2018 and 2019. A half year ago they told me they cannot pay me for the 2018 because I didn't send them the invoices (their emails were coming to spam folder). I replied to them that everything is possible and solvable (we can invoice them for services/affiliate services,etc). We are Czech Republic based company. Since that time, they DOESN'T REPLY to all of my emails at all. Please contact me if someone is reading this message. Thank you. Lukke

Still NO reply to my emails, no reply to my messages, or even no reply in this thread... Still waiting to be paid for 2018 and 2019 as a Czech Republic based company.
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