Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 21310840)

I finally invoiced them, and got no payment but an email about this invlice shit again, a week after I submitted mine.. It seems that they are also sending out DMCAs to content that does not belong to them at all. crappp :(

Originally Posted by Matyko (Post 21318268)

Important Update: it is NOT DDFCash.com/DDFNetwork.com who is sending out the (fake) DMCAs, it seems Jordan Pryce and her fuckbuddy are doing this crazy retarded show and causing trouble to lots of producers and companies.

Originally Posted by GLMBV (Post 21318322)

wow what a bunch of bull just for generating an invoice once a month, takes about 2 minutes to make one..
If we do a payment for anything we always require an invoice, if someone makes this much trouble about sending a basic invoice we know they have something dodgy to hide

Originally Posted by axel77 (Post 21324508)

They also not responding my emails about Payment.
Btw, whole DDF has been sold last year to different person!
Denis De Francesco is not owner Anymore.

Originally Posted by 3xmedia (Post 20634321)

links pulled.

Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20634513)

I receive money multiple times a month from multiple European companies. They all generate the invoice automatically, email it to me, and pay the invoice without any involvement on my side. This can all be easily automated.

This is almost 2016 now and automatic driving vehicles are a real possibility, automated invoices is cake.

Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
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pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Originally Posted by Flaer (Post 21537181)

nice warning in admin..
Last call for 2016 year payments
...
pending payments without invoice will be deleted.

Originally Posted by Sharon1974 (Post 22332787)

Sorry for bumping this old thread but I was wondering if anyone got the same message this year by mail or whatever??

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22333009)

No issues here, they pay quickly after uploading invoices.

Originally Posted by StefanG (Post 20634482)

there's nothing wrong with treating this like a professional business, I am surprised for how long companies got away without this

Originally Posted by blackmonsters (Post 21325480)

Please use this necessary video each time links are pulled.



:1orglaugh

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22402318)

The opposition to this proves most affiliates aren't professionals. Suggesting the payer issues an invoice to himself, shows how stupid some are.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 20637074)

Why shouldn't I waste an hour breaking this down and explaining to DDF Cash exactly WHY that affiliate email and Paul's butthurt responses here make DDF look shady and dangerous for affiliates to do business with?

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When I got your email I didn't have "questions", I had a visceral reaction of "shit, there goes another program down the tubes."

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I have a few fundamental rules that I follow when deciding which affiliate programs I trust enough to send traffic to. The single most important criterion I use is: "Does this program sound like it wants to pay me? Are they making every effort to sound reassuring about the idea that I will get my money no matter what?"

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This does NOT sound like someone who is making "getting every affiliate paid on time every time without making them beg for it" a top priority.

1) The default rule for any program is that they must pay without demand. ... The program should pay me without demand when the minimum is reached. These are the irreducible basics of the affiliate/program relationships. If I have to notice that I've reached a payment minimum and make a payment demand, the company goes on my list as potentially shady and not to be trusted for future promotion.

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Have you really been running an affiliate program for all these years without understanding that it's your obligation to pay affiliates without making them demand payment first? I want to get paid out when I reach the minimum in NATS, that why I didn't set a higher minimum. It's shady programs that don't pay up until the affiliate writes and demands payment. If you're not a shady program, you don't want to look or sound like a shady program. This makes you look and sound like a shady program. And whether you are "looking to keep" anyone's payments or not, you damned well know and understand that there will be affiliates who never invoice you. You will pocket that money. You are not among the angels here.

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Nobody wants to drop you for "being compliant". If anybody drops you it's going to be because you sent a LOUD signal that paying your affiliates is not a top priority.

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It makes you look bad. It makes you look VERY bad. Because it makes you look less than committed to getting affiliates paid on time, every time, without demand. It makes you look like you really aren't concerned about doing that.

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If you want affiliates, they need to trust you to pay them. Appearances matter. The way you communicate your requirements? It it matters. The impression you give, the amount of zealousness you display, about making sure affiliates get paid? It all matters. And you have screwed this up, big time.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 22595227)

None of these recent posts have given me any cause to regret the things I said in 2015 in this thread:
Five years later, not a word looks wrong to me!

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22595279)

You might have had to issue invoices for DDF, but they paid them without missing a beat and no other problems.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22402990)

It's not entirely stupid. It might not have been what they had in mind, but in Europe it's possible to create self-billing invoices.

AWE does this for example.

Although it's probably not possible to do in all countries - the UK website requires both parties to be VAT registered for instance, which wouldn't work well for a sponsor.

Some sources:
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_custom...icing-rules_en

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-self...g-arrangements

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/da...May%202014.pdf

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22595779)

It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22595779)

It's easy to issue an invoice and people who don't want to do it must have a reason. Is it too small, are they trying to hide something, are they a real business, etc. Pick a reason.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22595788)

That's true in some cases but Forkbeard has a point too.

Some affiliates promote hundreds of programs, and it's hard to keep track of all. If I had to issue invoices for all affiliate programs and follow up if they're really paid, it would be a real pain in the ass. Luckily only a few programs require it.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 22595881)

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 22595881)

this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22595931)

:2 cents:

This applies to now, not 10 years ago. Affiliates who promote 100s of programs aren't much use to those programs unless they send enough sales to warrant making an invoice once every 3 months or less.

DDF produces good content that costs money, so if affiliates want 50% they had better make sure they're sending enough sales to make it worth the affiliates time to issue invoices. If you think programs are falling over themselves because you send 1 or 2 sales a month, you're obsolete to them.

Tubes need 100s of programs to fill their site more than 100s of programs need them. Today programs need the big boys of the industry more than the little guys. It's not 2004.

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 22595881)

The reason is, and remains -- all these years after DDF invented this affiliate-driven invoicing requirement that no other Euro programs are using -- that "pay your affiliates on time without demand" is the irreducible minimum ethical and business standard for affiliate programs. Failure to meet this standard is either deliberately shady or it's the sign of a failing program that can't meet its financial obligations -- there is no third option.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22595951)

Not true, it's fairly common at least for CPA networks.

Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 22595935)

So no other program asks you to issue them with an invoice and you're wasting time about bitching that one program asked you to act like a real business. If I give you $5 will you buy yourself a new life, the one you have must suck. LOL

How many sales a month do you send them? 5 would be 15 every 3 months and worth a couple of $100. Less and why should they bother over you?

How many programs do you promote?

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22595966)

There are some other paysite programs that have it too. Czech Cash, Virtual Real Cash, Stacked Cash, Puffy Cash, Vipissy Cash, Easy X Cash.

The truth is that in general European companies DO need invoices. Some big programs (AWE, AdultForce, possibly DDF too now) have solved it by creating self-billing invoices.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22595965)

This is not true, affiliate joins/rebills have a very long tail. In a bigger program, after a few big affiliates sending a lot of sales, you have hundreds of affiliates who send 1-2 sales per month. And then thousands who do even less.

But they do want these affiliates, because when you add these small affiliates together they represent a large volume. And sales aren't the only thing that matter. Affiliates sending traffic at 1:10000 ratios are useful too, because they're providing huge publicity for almost free. (Bandwidth is super cheap.)

It's also impossible to tell who is or who will be a big affiliate. An affiliate sending 1 join per month to you might be sending 100 per month to another program. If you don't accept them or treat them badly, you'll never know what kind of business they could bring to you.

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company. The biggest programs in adult are still open to affiliates of all sizes.

(I'm talking about traditional paysites and camsites mainly, certainly there are private CPA network with different business models.)

Originally Posted by Forkbeard (Post 22595980)

Not relevant questions. Why do you give a fuck about me? This thread is about at company's business ethics and practices. You're just trying to change the subject.

Originally Posted by BigFurry (Post 22595965)

This is the power of self-serve affiliate platforms. You can have 30 or 2000 affiliates promoting you, and it's almost the same expense for the company.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22596323)

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.

Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 22596323)

This is not true. The support and accounting costs of having 2000 affiliates is often more than the revenue they bring in.

Originally Posted by Lukke (Post 22594221)

DDFcash owns me payouts for the whole 2018 and 2019. A half year ago they told me they cannot pay me for the 2018 because I didn't send them the invoices (their emails were coming to spam folder). I replied to them that everything is possible and solvable (we can invoice them for services/affiliate services,etc). We are Czech Republic based company. Since that time, they DOESN'T REPLY to all of my emails at all. Please contact me if someone is reading this message. Thank you. Lukke