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Trump and banning porn

11-08-2016, 10:26 PM

With Trump prez do you really think he's going to ban porn ?

Any US based folks moving or selling their US based stuff?

Edit: I shouldn't say "ban" although that is preferable to the association he signed the pledge. Is this enough for some US based folks to gtfo?
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11-08-2016, 11:05 PM

Trump can't ban porn. He can only limit it in the US as far as production is concerned.

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11-08-2016, 11:29 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Trump can't ban porn. He can only limit it in the US as far as production is concerned.

He wouldn't be able to ban sites that promote and sell porn? I know its a 1st amendment issue but could easily be slipped into other bills as pork. That's essentially how gambling sites were banned in the US with great success. With control of what will be all three branches I would say it's more possible now than ever and certainly is on the radar of conservative constituents.
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11-08-2016, 11:32 PM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Trump can't ban porn. He can only limit it in the US as far as production is concerned.

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11-08-2016, 11:32 PM

I dont think that's even an issue. There are so many issues much more important they will tackle first.

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11-08-2016, 11:34 PM

anyone that sells porn should be thanking god the feminist dogs were just called off. you hilary backers had no clue what demon you were summoning.
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11-08-2016, 11:37 PM

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anyone that sells porn should be thanking god the feminist dogs were just called off. you hilary backers had no clue what demon you were summoning.

I agree with this. This industry has been asleep at the wheel in regards to the rise of feminism.. particularly Third-wave feminism.. in this country. It's a bigger threat than any "public conservative/private masturbator" ever thought about being to Porn.
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11-08-2016, 11:38 PM

Let's hope he stays loyal to his pussy grabbing roots and won't pull no stunt on those ol' porners!

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11-08-2016, 11:43 PM

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I dont think that's even an issue. There are so many issues much more important they will tackle first.

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11-08-2016, 11:45 PM

Aight... I'm staying stateside for now then.
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11-09-2016, 03:05 AM

I doubt he is going to touch porn...

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11-09-2016, 03:06 AM

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I doubt he is going to touch porn...

His calls for a ban on porn was just paying lip service to the christian conservatives IMO. Like has been said, A ban on porn is out of his hands anyway.
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11-09-2016, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by Coup

His calls for a ban on porn was just paying lip service to the christian conservatives IMO. Like has been said, A ban on porn is out of his hands anyway.

yep, & if giuliani is attorney general, all they gonna do is send democrats to jail. too busy to worry about porn.
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11-09-2016, 03:22 AM

Originally posted by CarlosTheGaucho

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11-09-2016, 03:34 AM

Trump doesn't care... but have you met Pence, conservative Supreme Court, and the fully conservative congress?

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11-09-2016, 03:42 AM

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Trump doesn't care... but have you met Pence, conservative Supreme Court, and the fully conservative congress?

Yup let's all just hope nothing happens to trump cause pence as a prez would be very bad..

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11-09-2016, 03:55 AM

I would plan on it. Especially if he makes Rudy AG. Rudy hates adult and he got rid all of it in time square. The way they get porn is on the protection of children. You open a porn shop, any body cant just walk in. You have to be over 18. Like they did in time square it will become too expensive to do business and throw in a few in jail for obscenity.
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11-09-2016, 04:14 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Trump can't ban porn. He can only limit it in the US as far as production is concerned.

trump wouldn't try to ban porn anyway...

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11-09-2016, 04:22 AM

When it comes to porn, and for that matter free speech, Trump is a hypocrite and Pence is a Christian Fundamentalist, right wing nut that will have the emperor's ear.

So, what do you think will happen? Watch his pick for AG that will be a harbinger of what is to come.
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11-09-2016, 04:28 AM

There's never any political will to persue this agenda. Sure they all talk big and tough about being anti-porn, even both Bush sr. and Bush jr. were anti-porn but did nothing.

Just the same if they did ban porn it would drive the value of porn up! It wasn't that long ago that people were paying $50 for just one movie.

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11-09-2016, 05:40 AM

Originally posted by Coup

I agree with this. This industry has been asleep at the wheel in regards to the rise of feminism.. particularly Third-wave feminism.. in this country. It's a bigger threat than any "public conservative/private masturbator" ever thought about being to Porn.

I disagree. Since we have been pitching our site as 100% female produced we have gotten a great deal of support from some pretty hardcore feminists who see a women's freedom to do porn in a responsible way as empowerment. As you may or may not know we have a 100% public co-brand with a women's empowerment non-profit. The successful and more powerful examples of persecution of the sex industry has always come from religious angles.

I don't think Trump cares, however he is not in this alone. He will have to wheel and deal to get the bigger policies in place, he will sell us out quickly by simply enforcing the laws on the books. Remember the FBI is basically his now. This won't take much of his time and will win him friends fast on the right.

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11-09-2016, 05:42 AM

Originally posted by notinmybackyard

There's never any political will to persue this agenda. Sure they all talk big and tough about being anti-porn, even both Bush sr. and Bush jr. were anti-porn but did nothing.

Just the same if they did ban porn it would drive the value of porn up! It wasn't that long ago that people were paying $50 for just one movie.

Porn was dead center of W's radar until around 8am on Tuesday September 11th. He then had bigger fish to fry. Obama's disbanding of the 2257 investigation branch has kept us relatively un-harassed.

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11-09-2016, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

When it comes to porn, and for that matter free speech, Trump is a hypocrite and Pence is a Christian Fundamentalist, right wing nut that will have the emperor's ear.

So, what do you think will happen? Watch his pick for AG that will be a harbinger of what is to come.

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11-09-2016, 05:46 AM

Originally posted by tony286

I would plan on it. Especially if he makes Rudy AG. Rudy hates adult and he got rid all of it in time square. The way they get porn is on the protection of children. You open a porn shop, any body cant just walk in. You have to be over 18. Like they did in time square it will become too expensive to do business and throw in a few in jail for obscenity.
Trump doesnt give a shit but he owes the christian right big time. Porn is the low hanging fruit for him to give them. Especially now its all republican. Now people will learn why all the old big porners were democrats because they lived thru years of republican terror.

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11-09-2016, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by Coup

His calls for a ban on porn was just paying lip service to the christian conservatives IMO. Like has been said, A ban on porn is out of his hands anyway.

You are right. Even if he wanted that he wouldn't be able to touch it. Just like his stance with immigrants. it got guys like you to jump on board but what happens when he finds out that isn't something that is possible? You can't just have mass deportations or ban one religion.

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11-09-2016, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by PR_Glen

You are right. Even if he wanted that he wouldn't be able to touch it. Just like his stance with immigrants. it got guys like you to jump on board but what happens when he finds out that isn't something that is possible? You can't just have mass deportations or ban one religion.

All he has to do is re-establish the FBIs 2257 units. Order the FBI to enforce the vauge obscenity laws. It is not remotely difficult.

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11-09-2016, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by Paul Markham

Trump can't ban porn. He can only limit it in the US as far as production is concerned.

Well no shit...just like Bush's 2257 didn't ban porn but made it much more a PITA

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11-09-2016, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Coup

This industry has been asleep at the wheel in regards to the rise of feminism.. particularly Third-wave feminism.. in this country. It's a bigger threat than any "public conservative/private masturbator" ever thought about being to Porn.

I'm really curious about the above statement

if you mean in terms of the industry changing vis a vis the role of women/performers as more active agents within all aspects of the industry, with the redistribution of power that signifies I could see where you might be coming from

don't think that wasn't your point though (this is a genuine question btw)

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11-09-2016, 11:11 AM

Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam

When it comes to porn, and for that matter free speech, Trump is a hypocrite and Pence is a Christian Fundamentalist, right wing nut that will have the emperor's ear.

So, what do you think will happen? Watch his pick for AG that will be a harbinger of what is to come.

VP's have no say. Pence will learn quickly it's the DT show. There will be too many bridges to gap with the nation to attack something this trival. Possibly in a second term. Right now the nation is angry, afraid, twinks and towels are crying, jive brothers are calling all whites racist.. shit like that needs to be addressed first. If he does, hopefully he goes after the proliferation of porn and implements an age verification system or something reasonable and not too draconian. Obscenity and 2257
Has very little affect on actually stopping or curbing it. Going after tubes would be a smart angle.
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11-09-2016, 09:55 PM

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VP's have no say. Pence will learn quickly it's the DT show. There will be too many bridges to gap with the nation to attack something this trival. Possibly in a second term. Right now the nation is angry, afraid, twinks and towels are crying, jive brothers are calling all whites racist.. shit like that needs to be addressed first. If he does, hopefully he goes after the proliferation of porn and implements an age verification system or something reasonable and not too draconian. Obscenity and 2257
Has very little affect on actually stopping or curbing it. Going after tubes would be a smart angle.

VPs have whatever say the president says they have on issues like this. Remember Trump wanted Kasich to take over all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was the "CEO/Cheerleader" of the country. He could easily throw Pence a bone here. We are always a tasty, high profile bone whom everyone will miss and yet no one will defend.

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11-09-2016, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Yanks_Todd

VPs have whatever say the president says they have on issues like this. Remember Trump wanted Kasich to take over all foreign and domestic policy while Trump was the "CEO/Cheerleader" of the country. He could easily throw Pence a bone here. We are always a tasty, high profile bone whom everyone will miss and yet no one will defend.

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11-09-2016, 11:17 PM

I think he has no interest in banning porn.
As I see it, making America great again means for him porn, drugs and guns.
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11-10-2016, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by AndraKiru

I think he has no interest in banning porn.
As I see it, making America great again means for him porn, drugs and guns.
White trash things.

I guess you missed that anti porn pledge he took and what he has said specifically about banning internet porn, also his VP Pence is a religious nutter..

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11-10-2016, 07:39 AM

Considering the future first lady has done a number of nude photoshoots I doubt it's going to be an issue.
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11-10-2016, 10:25 AM

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Aight... I'm staying stateside for now then.

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11-10-2016, 10:35 AM

It doesn't seem anyone has posted here, or read what Trump signed:

If elected President of the United State of America, I promise to:

1) Uphold the rule of law by aggressively enforce existing federal laws to prevent the
sexual exploitation of children online, including the federal obscenity laws, child
pornography laws, sexual predation laws and the sex trafficking laws by:
a. appointing an Attorney General who will make the prosecution of such laws a
top priority in my administration and,

b. Providing the intelligence community and law enforcement with the resources
and tools needed to investigate and prosecute Internet crimes involving the
sexual exploitation of children.
2) Aggressively enforce the Children?s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) requiring schools
and public libraries using government eRate monies to filter child pornography and pornography
by requiring effective oversight by the Federal Communications Commission;
3) Protect and defend the innocence of America?s children by advancing public policies
that prevent the sexual exploitation of children in a manner that is consistent with the
government?s compelling interest in protecting its most vulnerable citizens, within the limits set forth by the First Amendment.12
4) Give serious consideration to appointing a Presidential Commission to examine the
harmful public health impact of Internet pornography on youth, families and the American
culture and the prevention of the sexual exploitation of children in the digital age.

5) Establish public-private partnerships with Corporate America to step up voluntary efforts to reduce the threat of the Internet-enabled sexual exploitation of children by the implementation of updated corporate policies and viable technology tools and solutions.

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11-10-2016, 10:38 AM

Originally posted by Bladewire

It doesn't seem anyone has posted here, or read what Trump signed:

If elected President of the United State of America, I promise to:

1) Uphold the rule of law by aggressively enforce existing federal laws to prevent the
sexual exploitation of children online, including the federal obscenity laws, child
pornography laws, sexual predation laws and the sex trafficking laws by:
a. appointing an Attorney General who will make the prosecution of such laws a
top priority in my administration and,

b. Providing the intelligence community and law enforcement with the resources
and tools needed to investigate and prosecute Internet crimes involving the
sexual exploitation of children.
2) Aggressively enforce the Children’s Internet Protection Act (CIPA) requiring schools
and public libraries using government eRate monies to filter child pornography and pornography
by requiring effective oversight by the Federal Communications Commission;
3) Protect and defend the innocence of America’s children by advancing public policies
that prevent the sexual exploitation of children in a manner that is consistent with the
government’s compelling interest in protecting its most vulnerable citizens, within the limits set forth by the First Amendment.12
4) Give serious consideration to appointing a Presidential Commission to examine the
harmful public health impact of Internet pornography on youth, families and the American
culture and the prevention of the sexual exploitation of children in the digital age.

5) Establish public-private partnerships with Corporate America to step up voluntary efforts to reduce the threat of the Internet-enabled sexual exploitation of children by the implementation of updated corporate policies and viable technology tools and solutions.

They don't read it because they want to pretend it's not true..

Just like when there is no wall or Muslim ban and all his other promises turn to be null.. they will ignore it and say they didn't want that wall, jobs or to deport illegals anyway..

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11-10-2016, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by crockett

They don't read it because they want to pretend it's not true..

Just like when there is no wall or Muslim ban and all his other promises turn to be null.. they will ignore it and say they didn't want that wall, jobs or to deport illegals anyway..

How quickly they forget the past.

Remember all the rhetoric Trump gave about keeping people safe?

All the people that supported Bush and said he didn't care about porn, more important things to worry about. Same as all the people that said didn't have a chance to win because he was so stupid.

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11-10-2016, 10:57 AM

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11-10-2016, 11:01 AM

if he's smart, hell figure a way to profit off of it

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11-10-2016, 11:19 AM

Several major countries requiring a paywall would revive the industry IMO.

Sites like Tumblr and Twitter alone are incredibly damaging.
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11-10-2016, 11:27 AM

Originally posted by Gallag97

if he's smart, hell figure a way to profit off of it

So you have no issue with a elected official creating policy so he can profit from it?

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11-10-2016, 12:16 PM

Going after porn just doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by arock10

but have you met Pence, conservative Supreme Court, and the fully conservative congress?

That really is a stressful thought.

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11-10-2016, 01:50 PM

He makes to much from PPV porn in his hotels. He won't cut off viable income streams for himself.
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11-10-2016, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by sicone

He makes to much from PPV porn in his hotels. He won't cut off viable income streams for himself.

He specifically only mentioned "internet porn"

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11-10-2016, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by JesseQuinn

I'm really curious about the above statement

if you mean in terms of the industry changing vis a vis the role of women/performers as more active agents within all aspects of the industry, with the redistribution of power that signifies I could see where you might be coming from

don't think that wasn't your point though (this is a genuine question btw)

No, I just feel that feminism has shifted from a goal of female equality to a goal of female domination. It's as if feminist are now all about their own sexuality and out to demonize male sexuality. If I'm right, feminism will be a danger to porn by virtue of shaming men away from it.

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Get a load of how worked up they are getting about things that appeal to male sexuality in fucking video games. This is where feminism seems to be headed and I don't think it's going to be any friend to porn in the future.
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11-10-2016, 02:16 PM

Originally posted by sicone

He makes to much from PPV porn in his hotels. He won't cut off viable income streams for himself.

Cable TV and PPV is exempt if;

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(h)
(1) The provisions of this section and section 2257 shall not apply to matter, or any image therein, containing one or more visual depictions of simulated sexually explicit conduct, or actual sexually explicit conduct as described in clause (v) of section 2256(2)(A), if such matter—
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(i) is intended for commercial distribution;
(ii) is created as a part of a commercial enterprise by a person who certifies to the Attorney General that such person regularly and in the normal course of business collects and maintains individually identifiable information regarding all performers, including minor performers, employed by that person, pursuant to Federal and State tax, labor, and other laws, labor agreements, or otherwise pursuant to industry standards, where such information includes the name, address, and date of birth of the performer; and
(iii) is not produced, marketed or made available by the person described in clause (ii) to another in circumstances such than [1] an ordinary person would conclude that the matter contains a visual depiction that is child pornography as defined in section 2256(8); or

Cable operators and their distributing customers ( a hotel as a sub seller) are exempted from recordkeeping so long as the get waiver and meet the certification requirements outlined above.

The last 2257 lawsuit never got to the US Supreme Court. Should Trump appoint 2 new Justices his first term --1 is a definite a 2nd appointment is a real possibility -- a new DOJ and AG could work 2257 from a new angle and get this back in court again 'de novo' and take the whole law (probably rewritten some) through the courts. 2257 is a way to harass (by making it difficult to be in lawful compliance) not ban porn.
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11-10-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by DukeSkywalker

VP's have no say. Pence will learn quickly it's the DT show. There will be too many bridges to gap with the nation to attack something this trival. Possibly in a second term. Right now the nation is angry, afraid, twinks and towels are crying, jive brothers are calling all whites racist.. shit like that needs to be addressed first. If he does, hopefully he goes after the proliferation of porn and implements an age verification system or something reasonable and not too draconian. Obscenity and 2257
Has very little affect on actually stopping or curbing it. Going after tubes would be a smart angle.

You have not paid much attention to what Trump has said. Trump plans to make Pence the most powerful VP in history by having deal with all these types of policy issues.

How do you guys vote for someone you have no idea what they have publicly stated? Wishful thinking?

In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.
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11-10-2016, 02:44 PM

Originally posted by JesseQuinn

I'm really curious about the above statement

if you mean in terms of the industry changing vis a vis the role of women/performers as more active agents within all aspects of the industry, with the redistribution of power that signifies I could see where you might be coming from

don't think that wasn't your point though (this is a genuine question btw)

Grab a copy of this book: https://www.amazon.com/Porn-Panic-Se...dp/1785353748/

Obviously the UK isn't the USA, but I think you'll still find it extremely relevant, and get some answers to the question (and related ones) you posed Does a fantastic job of highlighting the left's shift to becoming more and more anti-porn, and more and more pro-censorship. Extremely interesting read
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