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crockett 10-25-2015 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20615833)
No crockett, you are only parroting OPINIONS given from the Democrat side...which of course completely are ignoring the video I just posted of Pres. Clinton, his Secretary of State, and others saying in 1998 that Hussein was making WMD's and had to be stopped.

How can you sit there and type that when you can simply watch them SAYING it before Bush was ever President.

As for using "google to educate yourself"...be my guest Einstein. Show me where it has ever been "Proven" by anyone.

It has not. It is simply an attempt by the scumbag politicians to re-write history so they can keep getting elected to Congress and the Senate even though they were part of the whole fiasco themselves and voted for it.

I suppose there just isn't any way to ever keep you from interjecting your political bias no matter what. Even when you can plainly watch and hear Pres. Clinton saying it.
Bush used the same intel.
He was only in office for a year when the illegal and stupid and un-American thing he did (invade another country that had not attacked us).

All the people in place at the CIA and other spy agencies providing the intel were the same ones who were giving Pres. Clinton the same exact information.

But go ahead crockett, "educate" me. Show me ONE link that isn't an OPINION piece and shows what you are trying to claim to be FACT.

You can't. But I'll check back and see if you can. lol

By the way...in hindsight, I think Bush and everyone involved should be hauled before an international court and thrown in prison for that.
BUT, it won't happen because Hillary would go to jail, Reid would go to jail, Pelosi would go to jail, etc.
They ALL agreed and voted on it.

It was the entire Federal govt.
But of course, you won't see that. You love the big govt. and they can do no wrong.
Bullshit.. I guess you also forgot about the CIA agent Cheney's office outed when he tried to tell the truth about Bush administration faked intel..

You clearly don't pay much attention to anything that goes against what you already think you know..

MaDalton 10-25-2015 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20615970)
News article from 2008 on the weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq::::

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l-weapons.html
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The United States had gone to war declaring it must destroy an active weapons of mass destruction program. Instead, American troops gradually found and ultimately suffered from the remnants of long-abandoned programs, built in close collaboration with the West.
Thanks for posting the proof that they never found what they claimed Saddam had and why they went to war against him.

directfiesta 10-25-2015 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20615970)
News article from 2008 on the weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq::::

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...l-weapons.html
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

PS ; found ww2 bombs in backyard of french country house ....

Robbie 10-25-2015 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20615955)
Fact is: the intel used to justify the Iraq war was botched (Curveball) and everyone - including Bush and Blair - knew it. They wanted their war, they did it anyways, they lied about the reasons.

Opposed to Afghanistan some countries (the "old" Europe) didnt want to play along this time and got ridiculed for that back then.

We can now discuss forth and back who said what when - but what I wrote above was the direct justification for attacking Iraq - well knowing that Hussein was not part of Al Queida and without any proof for any WMDs.
So does that mean the Clinton knew it too? And Gore? And Reid, and Pelosi? They were all reading the same intel.

Or are you saying that Bush was somehow smarter than everybody else and knew better than Clinton and the rest? And he is such an evil genius that he was able to trick the entire U.S. Senate and Congress and President Clinton...all before he even took office?

What you're saying is nonsense.

You're getting off the track by being partisan in politics.

YES, Bush should be in jail for going into Iraq. So should Cheney. So should every member of Bush's cabinet that had anything to do with it (Rumsfeld, etc.)
And oh yeah...EVERY member of Congress and the Senate that voted for it and funded it.

Oops...you see THAT is why they will NEVER "grill" Bush.

Everything else you are arguing is irrelevant.

You're just talking in circles. They can't and won't ever prosecute anyone for those illegal wars. Because they ALL had a hand in it. And they ALL made money for their crony's back home in the military industrial complex.

Why do you think that when Pres. Obama took office and had a full Demcrat Senate control and full Democrat Congress control...he didn't do a damn thing?

Well, now you know in case you weren't paying attention (obviously) back in the 1990's and early 2000's.
Fortunately you can just watch that video and now you know.

Robbie 10-25-2015 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by crockett (Post 20616034)
Bullshit.. I guess you also forgot about the CIA agent Cheney's office outed when he tried to tell the truth about Bush administration faked intel..

You clearly don't pay much attention to anything that goes against what you already think you know..
Read the post I just wrote to Ma Dalton.

And I don't have any idea what you are talking about. I am the one in this conversation who keeps saying it was an illegal war and they should all be in prison.

You're the one who keeps grasping at straws.

Such a blind person you are. How in the fuck does a CIA agent try to "tell the truth about the Bush admin faking intelligence" when the intelligence came from the Clinton administration and was already being used BEFORE Bush was President.

Watch the video crockett. Then explain to me how Bush "faked" the intelligence from 1998 that was used.

Robbie 10-25-2015 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20616090)
Thanks for posting the proof that they never found what they claimed Saddam had and why they went to war against him.
You are absolutely correct about that. And even if he DID have "WMD's", the United States isn't "God" and has no right whatsoever to invade another sovereign nation just because they don't obey us like dogs.

Rochard 10-25-2015 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20615061)
Did you watch the video I posted?

It's a montage of President Bill Clinton and members of his cabinet in 1998 declaring that Iraq had to be stopped because of "Weapons Of Mass Destruction"

That was being presented to Congress and the public by Bill Clinton BEFORE Bush was President.

See what I'm saying? The U.S. govt. already had Iraq in the crosshairs long before Bush was there.
The "evidence" (there was none by the way...it was all based on intelligence reports from the CIA and the intelligence from other countries as well) was viewed by President Clinton, his cabinet and Democrat & Republican Congress and Senate.

Watch that short video Paul. It's self-explanatory.
You are missing something here Robbie.... At the end of the Clinton administration the US and Iraq were already in a shooting war, with Iraq shooting at US planes enforcing the no fly zones and the US bombing any military site that fired on them. This kind of fighting was happening on a daily basis.

We had a valid and legal reason to invade Iraq, even without WMDs.

Paul Markham 10-26-2015 01:23 AM
Bush's Distortions Misled Congress in Its War Vote - latimes

Bush-era documents show official misled Congress about NSA spying

Senate Intelligence Committee: Bush and Cheney Misled us on Iraq | Alternet

Report Says CIA Misled Congress, White House On Interrogation Program : The Two-Way : NPR

CIA misled Congress about brutal, ineffective terrorist interrogations, Senate report finds | The Japan Times

The problem is relying on documents from people who have to have dangers to warrant their budgets. AND people who will only believe what they want to believe of is in their interest to believe.

No one was looking at the evidence with an open mind, their view was to find problems. And excuses for war.

Some benefitted immensely from the war and were linked to or were decision makers. One person didn't have the intellectual capacity to look at the evidence. And he was the man with his finger on the button.

The No-Fly Zone was another misled idealistic attempt to put a "western Style" leader into power on a barbaric country. The shooting at planes was ineffective and the response to these missiles was. A bully needs only someone bigger than him to keep him in control.

The CIA and NSA are never going to say there's little problems for us to deal with, they will blow problems out of all proportion. To safe guard their budgets.

It only took the corrupt and fools to listen to end in war. In Syria the West needs to understand Assad is the option, or someone like him. We were staying out because we knew the alternative was lots of small factions killing each other to become the next Assad.

Now we are going in because ISIS is worse than him, but still want him out.

AdultB2B 10-26-2015 02:15 AM
4.7 million dollars and counting and no "smoking gun".

What lengths the pubs won't go to try to discredit Hillary, who will be our next President, like it or not.

I can't say she's my first choice, but get over it guys, the group you're running out there is laughable. AGAIN!

dyna mo 10-26-2015 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20616090)
Thanks for posting the proof that they never found what they claimed Saddam had and why they went to war against him.
you're welcome. and the point was to show that there were chemical weapons there, regardless of if the intel got it exactly right. i can understand the complexity.

dyna mo 10-26-2015 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by directfiesta (Post 20616092)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

PS ; found ww2 bombs in backyard of french country house ....
The point was to show that, while flawed, the Intel was based on the fact that Iraq had chemical weapons. Its a subtle point and hard to grasp, I get that.

MaDalton 10-26-2015 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20616585)
you're welcome. and the point was to show that there were chemical weapons there, regardless of if the intel got it exactly right. i can understand the complexity.
no, they didn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

Robbie 10-26-2015 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20616643)
And it shouldn't have mattered anyway.

Everyone knows that when they started screaming about "WMD'S" during the Clinton administration they were talking about NUCLEAR weapons.
Pres. Clinton and Secretary Albright both plainly said that Hussein could be months away from having nukes.

Bush used that same thing.

They tried to change it to "chemical weapons" when they got there and found out that all the hundreds of billions of dollars we waste on spying on everyone...gave nothing but the WRONG intel. :(

And bottom line...it doesn't matter if they had nukes or didn't have nukes.
The United States doesn't have any authority to invade another country.

dyna mo 10-26-2015 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by MaDalton (Post 20616643)
you think [i think] that the Iraq war was predicated on 1 informant? and not a plethora of intel from multiple sources? really? please.

gnawledge 10-26-2015 10:29 AM
Washington DC is full of corrupt criminals. They were not prosecuting her, it was a hearing that was just a horse and pony show. Everyone talks shit about the Republicans but look at your fearless leader now! This country is in shambles with a race war, and a fucked up immigration setup. Enjoy your Muslim president that you voted for. And enjoy the anal kool aid.


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