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oppoten 09-11-2015 05:30 PM

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Robbie 09-11-2015 06:12 PM

Pentagon reviewing complaints of massaged intelligence - CNNPolitics.com

j3rkules 09-11-2015 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20577399)

This country is so brainwashed that we actually think that perpetual war is good. Screw our corrupt politicians, news media, and corporate lobbyists. They all suck.

just a punk 09-12-2015 12:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20577284)
I lived with a Russian immigrant girlfriend who got refugee status in c. 1990. The Soviet Union collapsed right after and she told me a very creditable story. Her brother and her divorced husband were political prisoners in Soviet land -- I don't buy Stalinist revisionary stories.

Many soldiers returned home addicted to Afghan opium and heroin similar to the USA's experiences in Vietnam and SE Asia. We had a severe recession but the Soviet economy collapsed and the USSR is no more -- it rotted from the inside and Reagan took all the credit.

I don't try to revise the Stalinism. I just pointed to the statistics which shows thatUSA today have more people in prisons than USSR has in Gulag during Stalin's era. Nothing personal, only statistics.

As about your girlfriend and her fairytales about Afghan veterans, so she is a stupid whore who knows nothing or she just used you and tried to cause a feeling of pity (I think she was both). I personally know many Afghan veterans, including members of my family. I can assure you: heroin addiction among them is a myth and Western propaganda in a classy Fox style. Course maybe there were some single cases but those were rare and extreme cases. The regime there was absolutely strict and there was no even a chance for anybody to get high with heroine. As a person who was in the Russian army I can assure you that even now the use of heroine is almost impossible there. I'm talking about regular soldiers (do not confuse them with contractors and mercenaries). In Soviet times and especially at war is was 10x times more impossible than now. If caught, you were be sent to a tribunal...

Barry-xlovecam 09-12-2015 05:09 AM

As about your girlfriend and her fairytales about Afghan veterans, so she is a stupid whore who knows nothing or she just u


fuck off you POS

j3rkules 09-12-2015 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20577618)
As about your girlfriend and her fairytales about Afghan veterans, so she is a stupid whore who knows nothing or she just u


fuck off you POS

:Oh crap

just a punk 09-12-2015 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20577618)
As about your girlfriend and her fairytales about Afghan veterans, so she is a stupid whore who knows nothing or she just u


fuck off you POS

:thumbsup

dyna mo 09-12-2015 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam (Post 20577618)
As about your girlfriend and her fairytales about Afghan veterans, so she is a stupid whore who knows nothing or she just u


fuck off you POS

my kind of post! spot on. :thumbsup

EonBlue 09-12-2015 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 20577345)
With the way the US govt. has now been revealed to be lying about ISIS...that info could be false as well.

I don't see any way that ISIS could just be taking that much of the country over without the help of the people who live there.

My guess is that we (the American public) are (as usual) not being given a real account of what is happening there. A lot like when we were told that we would be greeted as "liberators" when we invaded Iraq. :(

My brother-in-law has served over there a times now. And trust me...he tells me that they hate our guts in Iraq. And I don't doubt it.
I know we wouldn't be full of love for another country occupying the U.S.

Yes, the US has been lying about ISIS - by downplaying their success and threat.

But still, it's fairly common knowledge that fighters from many countries have been going to join ISIS. No need to rely on US intel for that.

And you shouldn't just assume that it is "the" people helping ISIS. It is more like "some" people - and it only takes a small percentage of the population. A small percentage of a population can impose it's will on a people when the majority is unwilling and/or unable to fight back.

ISIS succeeds because of their extreme barbarity and brutality. The common people are too afraid to fight back against them.

And yes I'm sure many people in Iraq hate the US' guts. But I bet just as many of them right now hate ISIS' guts.


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dyna mo 09-12-2015 08:51 AM

iraqis hate each other's guts. there's what, 3 different tribes there? iraq won't look the same in 10-20 years. it will most likely split into 3 different countries due to the difference of people there, from what i've read anyway.

EonBlue 09-12-2015 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20577763)
iraqis hate each other's guts. there's what, 3 different tribes there? iraq won't look the same in 10-20 years. it will most likely split into 3 different countries due to the difference of people there, from what i've read anyway.

Agreed. A good start would be for the Kurds to get their own state - they seem to be the only sane people in the region.


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dyna mo 09-12-2015 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 20577765)
Agreed. A good start would be for the Kurds to get their own state - they seem to be the only sane people in the region.


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right, if i recall correctly, it's shiites, sunnis and kurds there. i was also under the impression that at least one of those tribes does not hate US.

EonBlue 09-12-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dyna mo (Post 20577766)
right, if i recall correctly, it's shiites, sunnis and kurds there. i was also under the impression that at least one of those tribes does not hate US.

Yes, that's the Kurds. The Kurds are the ones standing up to ISIS and they are the ones that, for some strange reason, Obumbles refuses to help. They are also the ones that Saddam Hussein gassed with chemicals in 1998 killing up to 5000 people.

They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own state and are divided between parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey.


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dyna mo 09-12-2015 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 20577775)
Yes, that's the Kurds. The Kurds are the ones standing up to ISIS and they are the ones that, for some strange reason, Obumbles refuses to help. They are also the ones that Saddam Hussein gassed with chemicals in 1998 killing up to 5000 people.

They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own state and are divided between parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey.


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Sly 09-12-2015 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 20577775)
Yes, that's the Kurds. The Kurds are the ones standing up to ISIS and they are the ones that, for some strange reason, Obumbles refuses to help. They are also the ones that Saddam Hussein gassed with chemicals in 1998 killing up to 5000 people.

They are the largest ethnic group in the world without their own state and are divided between parts of Iraq, Syria, Iran and Turkey.


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The Kurds are laced with their own problems, which is why many are having difficulties backing them. Several groups within the Kurds are marked as terrorist organizations. They have been fighting with Turkey etc. for years.

The Middle East is like Europe was 700 years ago. The wars, the families, the fighting. Funny thing is the Middle East had that 700 years ago, here we are 700 years later, same damn thing.

This fairytale of creating peace in the Middle East is a joke. It may be able to happen someday, but not with help from the outside world. They need to do it themselves. Until then, we should protect our interests (everyone bitches about oil but the real deal is those shipping lanes.) Unfortunately protecting our interests always seems to lead to getting drawn in to another battle that never ends.

EonBlue 09-12-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20577783)
The Kurds are laced with their own problems, which is why many are having difficulties backing them. Several groups within the Kurds are marked as terrorist organizations. They have been fighting with Turkey etc. for years.

The Middle East is like Europe was 700 years ago. The wars, the families, the fighting. Funny thing is the Middle East had that 700 years ago, here we are 700 years later, same damn thing.

This fairytale of creating peace in the Middle East is a joke. It may be able to happen someday, but not with help from the outside world. They need to do it themselves. Until then, we should protect our interests (everyone bitches about oil but the real deal is those shipping lanes.) Unfortunately protecting our interests always seems to lead to getting drawn in to another battle that never ends.

Yes, some of them are marked as a "terrorist organization" by the US at the behest of "ally" Turkey because there is a large oppressed ethnic Kurdish population in Turkey. The Ottoman Empire absorbed what used to be the Kurd's homeland and they never got it back after the empire collapsed.

But with Islamists gaining more and more control in Turkey and the Turks enabling the flow of immigrants into Europe is Turkey really still a good ally to the west?


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Sly 09-12-2015 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EonBlue (Post 20577797)
Yes, some of them are marked as a "terrorist organization" by the US at the behest of "ally" Turkey because there is a large oppressed ethnic Kurdish population in Turkey. The Ottoman Empire absorbed what used to be the Kurd's homeland and they never got it back after the empire collapsed.

But with Islamists gaining more and more control in Turkey and the Turks enabling the flow of immigrants into Europe is Turkey really still a good ally to the west?


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"Good?" Probably not. "Best available?" Most likely.

Not exactly a lot of options over there.

pimpmaster9000 09-12-2015 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by halfpint (Post 20576978)
Its not a US hate thread and you cant blame the US for the huge cluster fuck in the middle east. It was a multi national force which was lead by The US, the UK, Australia and Poland with other western countries involved. We here in the west caused all this crap in the middle east not just the US

This is true. Its not only the USA that is to blame, but most of the middle east is controlled by the USA and an already bad situation was made worse by the USA.

Europe will learn not to be your ally, and it will pay with the shit storm of refugees.

America will pay indirectly, Euro will become a muslim zone, and then it will pay directly.

The USA will be the Israel of the world LOL

EonBlue 09-12-2015 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Sly (Post 20577798)
"Good?" Probably not. "Best available?" Most likely.

Not exactly a lot of options over there.

Ya for now. But if the Islamists take full control there then things are going to interesting pretty quick. Civil war in Turkey is a possibility.

In reality the "best availiable" allies are probably Israel and the Kurds but the US is currently giving both of them the cold shoulder.


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Robbie 09-12-2015 09:55 AM

We should take Israel and dig down about 200 feet around the entire country. Then airlift the entire "holy land" and bring it over here to Nevada and set it down in the desert.

Then the Israeli's could have their precious "holy land" and they would still be in the desert lol. We could treat it like a Native American reservation. Then the Palestinians could live happily ever after in that piece of shit desert in the Mid East and the United States could shut the door on that mad house.

slapass 09-13-2015 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberSEO (Post 20577018)
They never been. The mission was accomplished by Grom, Vympel and Alpha Group within a day. You should learn a lot about that war (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Storm-333) :2 cents:



Exactly! The 9/11 attack was an obvious result of the US Afghan politics. The CIA did a perfect job, no doubts about it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War So much for the success of Storm 333.


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