Europeans: What is your take on the migration crisis ??

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  • j3rkules
    VIP
    • Jul 2013
    • 22111

    #556
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    The people in favour are mostly those middle class liberals living in areas that won't be over run with migrants who can't afford a house costing $500,000 and up, where the council won't be able to purchase houses to give to migrants. They will enjoy meting the migrants who run restaurants, delis and work in the those places.

    Or bosses employing low skilled workers, property owners renting, and the public sector who will have larger problems due to migration.

    Europe will swing massively Right Wing in the next elections.

    In reply to Mutt, that's how it works in the countries they're leaving and the reasons many are leaving. The EU has problems deporting convicted criminals after finishing their prison sentence.
    Hopefully, you are right.

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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942

      #557
      Originally posted by jerkules
      Hopefully, you are right.
      No doubt about it.

      This is what $900,000 buys you in North London. Enfield is at best a nice upper working class area, my uncle a lorry driver used to live there in a similar house.

      This is on the other side of London. Again upper working class.

      The pressure on Health services, education, transport, public services like road repairs, bin collections and paying for them. Has become a monster problem which is growing as the population grows.

      The UK cannot cope with the present growth of the British population, too many young and too many living longer, in fact for the first 16 years and last 16 maybe. People are mostly a drain on the rest. 32 years of an average life span of 80.

      The belief that the number of people increases wealth, is from the 60s. Since then it's been about a few who can produce a huge amount of wealth. Manual labour is exported or replaced with machines.

      So importing more will have a huge effect on the people already there and unlike some Third World Countries that have huge numbers of legitimate refugees. The British won't stand for their standard of living dropping and cultural surrounding changing, neither will most Europeans. They will look to the Right for answers, because the middle and left are telling them they have to take more more migrants and put up with it.



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      • klinton
        So Fucking Banned
        • Apr 2003
        • 8766

        #558
        more than US probably that is responsible for this mess
        Originally posted by Sly
        How many is Russia taking?

        They are best buds with Assad after all, seems only natural.

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        • Struggle4Bucks
          Sieg Hi!
          • May 2011
          • 3615

          #559
          Originally posted by dyna mo
          you are welcome, euros.
          Originally posted by Sly
          It's really just a massive American conspiracy.

          We faked 9/11 to gain support of the public to go on attack. We attack Afghanistan and loop that into Iraq. The fight in Iraq stirs a hornets nest. Radicals and ISIS are fueled. All hell breaks loose. Syria turns into a slaughterhouse. The people of Syria run into Europe. Radicals and soon to be radicals slip in. Saudi Arabia builds mosques in Germany, allowing for congregation and growth, fueling radicalism and mob mentality. The mob lashes out, begins a series of random attacks all across Europe. Our American bases are put to work, leading to more bases. We now have more American bases in Europe than Europe!

          Mission accomplished.
          Relax... no conspiracy here...

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          • dyna mo
            just a fucking jerk
            • Dec 2008
            • 68184

            #560
            The conspiracy comment was humor. The comment that USA military in Europe will be appreciated is fact.

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            • Struggle4Bucks
              Sieg Hi!
              • May 2011
              • 3615

              #561
              Originally posted by dyna mo
              The conspiracy comment was humor. The comment that USA military in Europe will be appreciated is fact.
              Nah... by that time US won't have a budget for that anymore...
              Europe can take care of themselves... It's assimilation or annihilation...
              No matter were all these dindus are coming from they will all go out through the same chimney....

              Happened before and will happen again... It will look something like this:




              But thanks anyway...
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              • EonBlue
                Apocalypse
                • May 2007
                • 3043

                #562
                This problem will soon manifest itself in the USA too when these people get their way:

                Socialists/marxists/communists, anarchists, anti-Americans rally in NYC for the dismantling and destruction of the USA




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                • dyna mo
                  just a fucking jerk
                  • Dec 2008
                  • 68184

                  #563
                  Originally posted by Struggle4Bucks
                  Nah... by that time US won't have a budget for that anymore...
                  Europe can take care of themselves... It's assimilation or annihilation...
                  No matter were all these dindus are coming from they will all go out through the same chimney....

                  Happened before and will happen again... It will look something like this:




                  But thanks anyway...
                  relying on music videos on youtube isn't reliable.

                  “Europe’s decision to abdicate on defense spending increasingly means it can’t take care of itself...”


                  "Increasingly, without United States assistance, military experts said, Europe’s armed forces have trouble carrying out basic operations as its dwindling financial and political commitment has derailed multiple initiatives intended to make the continent more self-reliant.

                  The United States finances nearly three-quarters of NATO’s military spending, up from 63 percent in 2001. And yet among the alliance’s 28 nations, experts note, only the United States, Britain and Greece are meeting NATO’s own spending guidelines of 2 percent of gross domestic product. Even Britain and France — the two leading European nations willing to project military might — are slipping further. France says that by 2014 it may cut deeper still — to just 1.3 percent of G.D.P., down from 1.9 percent this year. By comparison, the United States spent 4.8 percent of its G.D.P. on the military in 2011."

                  http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/wo...tiny.html?_r=0

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                  • Paul Markham
                    Too old to care
                    • Jun 2001
                    • 52942

                    #564
                    Germany to 'reintroduce border controls' with Austria as Munich struggles with refugee arrivals - Europe - World - The Independent



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                    • Paul&John
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                      • Aug 2005
                      • 8643

                      #565
                      haha just wanted to post this ( Flüchtlinge: Thomas de Maizière verkündet Grenzkontrollen - SPIEGEL ONLINE ).. didnt take long lol
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                      • Sly
                        Let's do some business!
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 31375

                        #566
                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                        relying on music videos on youtube isn't reliable.

                        ?Europe?s decision to abdicate on defense spending increasingly means it can?t take care of itself...?


                        "Increasingly, without United States assistance, military experts said, Europe?s armed forces have trouble carrying out basic operations as its dwindling financial and political commitment has derailed multiple initiatives intended to make the continent more self-reliant.

                        The United States finances nearly three-quarters of NATO?s military spending, up from 63 percent in 2001. And yet among the alliance?s 28 nations, experts note, only the United States, Britain and Greece are meeting NATO?s own spending guidelines of 2 percent of gross domestic product. Even Britain and France ? the two leading European nations willing to project military might ? are slipping further. France says that by 2014 it may cut deeper still ? to just 1.3 percent of G.D.P., down from 1.9 percent this year. By comparison, the United States spent 4.8 percent of its G.D.P. on the military in 2011."

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/23/wo...tiny.html?_r=0
                        Greece?!?!

                        I have said for a long time, and your article above further explored it, that our allies are more free to spend on social programs because we foot the bill on the military programs. People may like to think that they don't need military backing, but if that backing is gone, it's going to be a pretty scary outlook. Does not matter how peaceful your foreign policies are.

                        I read that article you posted yesterday about the guy running for PM in Britain. One of his keystones was nuclear disarmament. It's only lip service, but something like that would have an impact on our commitments as well.
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                        • Sly
                          Let's do some business!
                          • Sep 2004
                          • 31375

                          #567
                          And the logistics begins to take hold.

                          Reality is, it was most likely just a huge political play and they knew what they were doing the whole time. Either that, or they made a really stupid decision.
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                          • Scott McD
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Nov 2002
                            • 67798

                            #568
                            Originally posted by Sly
                            And the logistics begins to take hold.

                            Reality is, it was most likely just a huge political play and they knew what they were doing the whole time. Either that, or they made a really stupid decision.
                            To come out with the statement "there is no limit to the numbers we will allow" was always gonna be a disaster. So whether they meant it or not, it was beyond idiotic...


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                            • Sly
                              Let's do some business!
                              • Sep 2004
                              • 31375

                              #569
                              Originally posted by Scott McD
                              To come out with the statement "there is no limit to the numbers we will allow" was always gonna be a disaster. So whether they meant it or not, it was beyond idiotic...
                              I live in Austin Texas and we have a housing issue. Rents are growing like crazy. We have a few hundred people moving to the city every day. Several hundred daily is quite a bit, it's been a huge impact on the city here. New buildings are going up all over the place. Traffic is a nightmare. Homelessness is an issue. There is no parking.

                              It begs the question, what are thousands of migrants/refugees going to do to the local housing situations once they start getting stipends? Who is going to pay for all of the new buildings? Are the rents for the locals going to increase because of it? Are the prices of food and daily necessities going to increase? Taxes of course will increase because the new infrastructure will need to be paid for and public services will be more expensive due to more people that have higher needs.

                              These are all things that nobody is talking about. In two years when the bills start hitting hard and everyone is freaking out because they can't pay their rent, what then?
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                              • k0nr4d
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                                • Aug 2006
                                • 9231

                                #570
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