Europeans: What is your take on the migration crisis ??

Quite a ridiculous thing to say - but you're entitled to your opinion I guess ...

The father of the drowned boy has returned to the city in Syria that were trying to flee.

Drowned toddler Aylan Kurdi laid to rest in Syrian city he fled

That city is Kobani - one of the cities that was attacked by ISIS.


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One thing I will say, when you see what the babies and kids have to deal with at such a young age, it makes me feel like telling any kid I see in a McDonald's or toy store throwing a tantrum because they aren't getting what they want to shut the fuck up.

The 3 year old kid next door to my house is a spoiled little cunt. His parents are to blame obviously. They actually brag about how much they spend on him at Birthdays and Christmas... Idiots.

[QUOTE=k0nr4d;20570499]Here's a video of the poor women and children (that definately are NOT an invasion force) throwing away food and water given to them by your authorities... The water can't even stand on the train platform with them. They are throwing the shit away onto the train tracks. They came uninvited to your country and are littering.



Konrad, this video represents 5% of the story that happened to them here in Hungary so far. Those [mostly hungarians] who see and know the whole story Do Understand why hey are doing here.

It is very tough to have an objective opinion about this as I am hungarian [and we seem to be in focus now as ~main entry point to EU or whatever] and I am emotionally disturbed by what is happening here.

I am very upset to hear you agree with our prime minister. What our gov does and How It REacts and Does Things is pretty much fucked up and very disturbing, really. The fence, the posters all around the country against migrants, and every little thing about them: it's terrible! The only good things I see is the Migration Aid and civil communities doing, the people of Budapest and Bicske who take families into their homes so they can have a bath and take a sleep not-on-the-floor, etc.

I know this is history happening here, and that this migration can't be stopped and that there will be consequences for the european people. I say this is something that cannot be altered, migration is happening and will happen forever. We have to do the best, with the best intentions, assuming good from these people, not the worst.

I really hope that this will be a 'temporary thing' and most of these refugees will go home in a few years, when the dust is a bit more settled.. Also hoping that these people will assimilate - I know the standard expectations...

Someone mentioned USA has nothing to do w this, as the last drone attacks were more than a year ago: this is not one simple thing making these people leave their ruined homelands, those attacks [however I am not aware of the full story [of the last decades of Syria are relevant at least]] but that was a part of the happenings most likely.

Europe faces a huge challenge, and to me it seems based on the reaction of the people of hungary/eastern-european countries: this is a choice/conflict between the Core Countries/culture of the E and the balkanic countries. I hope that the western civilization wins.

Let's just stay Good People, and make no way for the hate speech and bad expectations and agression.

Kid next door to me was rowing with his mum. At one point I heard him say, if you don't allow me to watch telly, I'll call social services.

My mum would have kicked my arse and delivered me to social services all in the same movement.

I would have got "the slipper" off the arse if I came away with a statement like that when I was younger...

What is the ridiculous part? It is desert. It won't sustain large amounts of any living thing. The water they use is fossil ground water and is bound to end. The farm land suffers from salinization, that actually destroyed one of the earliest human settlements around that area (and in human history altogether).


"So how did Fertile Crescent peoples lose that big lead? The short answer is ecological suicide: They inadvertently destroyed the environmental resources on which their society depended. Just as the region's rise wasn't due to any special virtue of its people, its fall wasn't due to any special blindness on their part. Instead, they had the misfortune to be living in an extremely fragile environment, which, because of its low rainfall, was particularly susceptible to deforestation.

When you clear a forest in a high-rainfall tropical area, new trees grow up to a height of 15 feet within a year; in a dry area like the Fertile Crescent, regeneration is much slower. And when you add to the equation grazing by sheep and goats, new trees stand little chance. Deforestation led to soil erosion, and irrigation agriculture led to salinization, both by releasing salt buried deep in the ground and by adding salt through irrigation water. After centuries of degradation, areas of Iraq that formerly supported productive irrigation agriculture are today salt pans where nothing grows."


"Iraq's decline holds a broader significance. Many other countries today face similar crippling environmental problems, including the deforestation, overgrazing, erosion and salinization that brought down the Fertile Crescent. Other countries already crippled or nearly so by such problems include Haiti, Somalia, Rwanda, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nepal, the Philippines and Indonesia."

The Erosion of Civilization - latimes

Ha ha, I use to get "the slipper" too ... And the broom, mop ... Pretty much anything lying close to hand.

The world over, water has to come from somewhere. In the middle east (at least in almost all GCC countries) we have the sea and huge desalination plants. We also import a fuck load of "mineral water". Unlike the UK that imposes a hose ban every so often, and California that is suffering a drought, the Middle Eat does ok for being a desert.

I say "we" but I no longer live there ... Too lazy to change it ....

Only time I see a camel in Bahrain or Dubai is when I actively go out looking for one. You know ... on lonely nights ....but usually we just shag dirty English or pinoy birds ...

I don't know if this has any bearing on your opinion, but refugees will not go home. They are looking for a new home. They may even think, this very minute, that they will go home if things ever get better. But things will never get better, their new home will be significantly better than the old home. They will build a life in their new home. Their kids will have friends. They will have friends.

You can take them in. You can try to keep them out. But know that they are not going back to wherever they came from. In fact, there will only be more as their families grow and they send for friends and families from their homeland.

And what you described is not very sustainable. Importing everything is not very sustainable nor environmental friendly option and nor is practicing any larger scale agriculture around there. Nor desalinization is sustainable (shit loads of waste salt). Before they had mainly camels for a reason and the population wasn't that big for the same reasons. They should have more camels, as that is pretty much the only sustainable thing around there.

Being sustainable, it is not about lingering just now.. it is about being sustainable. The situation in California is neither sustainable and will blow on Yankee face on one day, probably not so far in the future.

This also is not immigration. This is an invasion pure and simple.

I don't think you or your children need to worry about a migration issue from the Middle East due to water ...

From what I heard from two Syrians (early immigrants) working for Germany immigration agencies, at least half of refugees are just other arabs pretending to be from Syria and trying to get in under the pretext they are Syrians

Than... I am happy for them. And I welcome them. I believe in this whole situation can have a good outcome.