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  • brassmonkey
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    • Sep 2005
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    News Report: More than half of illegal immigrants on welfare

    More than half of the nation's immigrants receive some kind of government welfare, a figure that's far higher than the native-born population's, according to a report to be released Wednesday.

    About 51% of immigrant-led households receive at least one kind of welfare benefit, including Medicaid, food stamps, school lunches and housing assistance, compared to 30% for native-led households, according to the report from the Center for Immigration Studies, a group that advocates for lower levels of immigration.

    Those numbers increase for households with children, with 76% of immigrant-led households receiving welfare, compared to 52% for the native-born.

    The findings are sure to fuel debate on the presidential campaign trail as Republican candidates focus on changing the nation's immigration laws, from calls for mass deportations to ending birthright citizenship.

    Steven Camarota, director of research at the center and author of the report, said that's a much-needed conversation to make the country's immigration system more "selective."

    "This should not be understood as some kind of defect or moral failing on the part of immigrants," Camarota said about the findings. "Rather, what it represents is a system that allows a lot of less-educated immigrants to settle in the country, who then earn modest wages and are eligible for a very generous welfare system."

    Report: More than half of immigrants on welfare
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  • L-Pink
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    • Mar 2005
    • 39151

    #2
    We need to find out what China would charge to build a wall on our border.

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    • j3rkules
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      • Jul 2013
      • 22111

      #3
      Stop welfare they go home, fine those that hire them. ID cards stops it all, easy to get.

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      • CurrentlySober
        Too lazy to wipe my ass
        • Aug 2002
        • 38940

        #4
        Try in the UK... Its mental - People who have worked and paid in to the system all their lives get virtually nothing.

        Those that just 'arrive' and haven't paid in a penny, or contributed at all, and often cant even speak english get it all.

        Facts:

        The British Government provides the following financial assistance:-

        BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
        (bearing in mind they worked hard and paid their Income Tax and National
        Insurance contributions to the British Government all their working life)
        Weekly allowance: £106.00

        IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
        (No Income Tax and National Insurance contribution whatsoever)
        Weekly allowance: £250.00

        BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
        Weekly Spouse Allowance: £25.00

        ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
        Weekly Spouse Allowance: £225.00

        BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
        Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £0.00

        ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
        Additional Weekly Hardship Allowance: £100.00

        A British old age pensioner is no less hard up than an illegal immigrant/refugee yet receives nothing

        BRITISH OLD AGED PENSIONER
        TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £6,000

        ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS/REFUGEES LIVING IN BRITAIN
        TOTAL YEARLY BENEFIT: £29,900

        Says it all really...


        👁️ 👍️ 💩

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        • mineistaken
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          • Apr 2007
          • 29656

          #5
          title says illegal, body talks about "just" immigrants?

          How would you get on welfare if you are not even legal?

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          • Rochard
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            • Dec 2001
            • 75733

            #6
            Originally posted by mineistaken
            title says illegal, body talks about "just" immigrants?

            How would you get on welfare if you are not even legal?
            This is what I was thinking.... You can't be on any federal or state programs if you aren't a US citizen; You don't qualify. Some local charities might have something, but not officially through the government.
            Herschel Savage
            Brooklyn, NY

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            • dyna mo
              just a fucking jerk
              • Dec 2008
              • 68184

              #7
              Originally posted by mineistaken
              title says illegal, body talks about "just" immigrants?

              How would you get on welfare if you are not even legal?
              the article states undocumented immigrants receive welfare.

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              • dyna mo
                just a fucking jerk
                • Dec 2008
                • 68184

                #8
                Originally posted by Rochard
                This is what I was thinking.... You can't be on any federal or state programs if you aren't a US citizen; You don't qualify. Some local charities might have something, but not officially through the government.
                The center's report is based on 2012 data from the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation. It includes immigrants who have become naturalized citizens, legal permanent residents, those on short-term visas and undocumented immigrants.

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                • pornguy
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                  • Mar 2003
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                  #9
                  Illegal sells legal does not.
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                  • mineistaken
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                    • Apr 2007
                    • 29656

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dyna mo
                    the article states undocumented immigrants receive welfare.
                    That is funny, I thought you need document to prove that it is you who is receiving something.

                    And wtf - citizens paying taxes to support illegals? That is out of this world.

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                    • dyna mo
                      just a fucking jerk
                      • Dec 2008
                      • 68184

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                      That is funny, I thought you need document to prove that it is you who is receiving something.

                      And wtf - citizens paying taxes to support illegals? That is out of this world.
                      I don't believe it's rampant, and the thread title is certainly misleading, it is illegal except for anchor babies, but the undocumented are taking advantage of things like medicare.

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                      • brassmonkey
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                        • Sep 2005
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by mineistaken
                        title says illegal, body talks about "just" immigrants?

                        How would you get on welfare if you are not even legal?
                        i won't go into detail about how they do it. read it again they shy away from the term "illegal". in the article in calls for mass deportations.
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                        • brassmonkey
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by dyna mo
                          I don't believe it's rampant, and the thread title is certainly misleading, it is illegal except for anchor babies, but the undocumented are taking advantage of things like medicare.
                          the man works the female files for welfare. it's well known in the community. the kids they have are on wic medical food stamps and money assistance. they had to put a cap on how many kids you can file for.
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                          • mineistaken
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                            • Apr 2007
                            • 29656

                            #14
                            Originally posted by brassmonkey
                            the man works the female files for welfare. it's well known in the community. the kids they have are on wic medical food stamps and money assistance. they had to put a cap on how many kids you can file for.
                            leecher scum

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                            • Horatio Caine
                              full-time aspiring rapper
                              • Aug 2012
                              • 5746

                              #15
                              Horseshit. Illegals can't get DLs in most states annd anchor babies aren't any different from LaMonica's Jamals. Both are US citizens eating up welfare.

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                              • Horatio Caine
                                full-time aspiring rapper
                                • Aug 2012
                                • 5746

                                #16
                                From a black girl

                                Black People on Welfare: Let's Not Sugarcoat It


                                You see, Black Americans make up 32% of welfare recipients, even though they comprise a mere 12% of the US population. So the demographics of welfare recipients are not comparable to the overall demographics of the US. Even more concerning, Black Americans are more than twice as likely to have been on welfare than White Americans.

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                                • Vendzilla
                                  Biker Gnome
                                  • Mar 2004
                                  • 23200

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Horatio Caine
                                  Horseshit. Illegals can't get DLs in most states annd anchor babies aren't any different from LaMonica's Jamals. Both are US citizens eating up welfare.
                                  Well most of them are in California because of it's Sanctuary City Status and nearly 500k have applied for valid California Drivers License's , we are the only country I know of that makes someone a citizen just for being born here

                                  Nearly 500,000 undocumented Californians apply for AB 60 license | 89.3 KPCC
                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                  think about that

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                                  • dyna mo
                                    just a fucking jerk
                                    • Dec 2008
                                    • 68184

                                    #18
                                    Illegal aliens still get Medicare benefits, but feds vow crackdown, $70M savings - Washington Times

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                                    • crockett
                                      in a van by the river
                                      • May 2003
                                      • 76818

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                      We need to find out what China would charge to build a wall on our border.
                                      But I thought Mexico was gonna pay for it.. the JesusTrump said so..
                                      In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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                                      • EddyTheDog
                                        Just Doing My Own Thing
                                        • Jan 2011
                                        • 25433

                                        #20
                                        So what % of illegals get benefits?..

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                                        • brassmonkey
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                          So what % of illegals get benefits?..
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                                          • Horatio Caine
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                                            • Aug 2012
                                            • 5746

                                            #22
                                            Did you read it?

                                            Illegal immigrants generally are prohibited from receiving federal benefits under the 1996 welfare reform law.

                                            But an internal Health and Human Services audit last year found that while CMS has policies to prevent illegal immigrants from getting most Medicare benefits, it didn?t prevent them from taking part in the prescription drug benefit, or Medicare Part D, which was added under President George W. Bush and expanded by Mr. Obama?s health care law.
                                            In one of its reports, the inspector general said 4,139 illegal immigrants were able to make 279,056 drug benefit claims.
                                            Holly fuck. 4 thousand people. And those are probably mules hired by crooked doctors.
                                            How many claims are filed by always pregnant LaMonicas and DeShaniquas every week?

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                                            • Horatio Caine
                                              full-time aspiring rapper
                                              • Aug 2012
                                              • 5746

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                              So what % of illegals get benefits?..
                                              0.000000000% US born kids do because they are US citizens.

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                                              • Horatio Caine
                                                full-time aspiring rapper
                                                • Aug 2012
                                                • 5746

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                Well most of them are in California because of it's Sanctuary City Status and nearly 500k have applied for valid California Drivers License's , we are the only country I know of that makes someone a citizen just for being born here

                                                Nearly 500,000 undocumented Californians apply for AB 60 license | 89.3 KPCC
                                                More horseshit.

                                                Map: Illegal immigrant population by state.

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                                                • poncabare
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                                                  • Jul 2007
                                                  • 2552

                                                  #25
                                                  I always thought illegals came to work? So shocking to read this development

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                                                  • kane
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                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                    • 20684

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                    title says illegal, body talks about "just" immigrants?

                                                    How would you get on welfare if you are not even legal?
                                                    You really can't get welfare if you are illegal, however there is a way to game the system.

                                                    Say a couple comes to the US illegally. They can't get welfare. However, if they have a kid that kid is a US citizen and they can apply for welfare on behalf of the kid so they might get WIC, food stamps, healthcare for the kid etc. Also when the kid then goes to school they could get free lunches for the kid.

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                                                    • kane
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Aug 2001
                                                      • 20684

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                      We need to find out what China would charge to build a wall on our border.
                                                      A wall will only solve half the problem. About 50% of all illegal immigrants came here legally. They had a visa to enter the country and then never left. It will be hard to police that kind of immigration.

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                                                      • Horatio Caine
                                                        full-time aspiring rapper
                                                        • Aug 2012
                                                        • 5746

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by kane
                                                        A wall will only solve half the problem. About 50% of all illegal immigrants came here legally. They had a visa to enter the country and then never left. It will be hard to police that kind of immigration.
                                                        Stop it. Common sense is not welcomed on gfy

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                                                        • j3rkules
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                                                          #29
                                                          They are democrats in the making.

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                                                          • Robbie
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                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                            • 20960

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by crockett
                                                            But I thought Mexico was gonna pay for it.. the JesusTrump said so..
                                                            Hey crockett...brassmonkey is a black man.

                                                            And yet here he is talking about illegal immigrants. How can that be?
                                                            Only "angry white men" are smart enough to question what the govt. is doing according to you.
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                                                            • dyna mo
                                                              just a fucking jerk
                                                              • Dec 2008
                                                              • 68184

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Horatio Caine
                                                              Did you read it?


                                                              Yes, I read it.

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                                                              • dyna mo
                                                                just a fucking jerk
                                                                • Dec 2008
                                                                • 68184

                                                                #32
                                                                A flooded ditch would make more sense than a wall. Plenty of tunnels for illegals and drugs.

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                                                                • mineistaken
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                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                  • 29656

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Horatio Caine
                                                                  Stop it. Common sense is not welcomed on gfy
                                                                  I do not think anyone on GFY thought that wall would stop that completely.
                                                                  And not even 50%. At least SOME decline would be a win.

                                                                  Besides - those who came legally are less likely to be the criminal types than those who come illegally.

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                                                                  • Relic
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                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 10300

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                    We need to find out what China would charge to build a wall on our border.
                                                                    Get the 2 for 1 special on walls

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                                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by kane
                                                                      You really can't get welfare if you are illegal, however there is a way to game the system.

                                                                      Say a couple comes to the US illegally. They can't get welfare. However, if they have a kid that kid is a US citizen and they can apply for welfare on behalf of the kid so they might get WIC, food stamps, healthcare for the kid etc. Also when the kid then goes to school they could get free lunches for the kid.
                                                                      they were getting it! i know for a fact!! the fingerprint system cut down on it.
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                                                                      • patadeperro
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                                                                        • Feb 2013
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Did anybody even read the report? or did you let yourselves go with the link bait title?

                                                                        Having and education higher than most of the bigots in this forum I ACTUALLY READ THE REPORT here is the proof



                                                                        The report sayings:


                                                                        So they are making the study based just on IMMIGRANTS (in a country where just the native Americans are not immigrants) they did not make any distinction in their results to verify or to know if the immigrants are legal or illegal.

                                                                        So the title could have been as well: First generation of Americans get more welfare than the second, but obviously will not be as hateful as the first one.


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                                                                        • dyna mo
                                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                                          • 68184

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by patadeperro
                                                                          Did anybody even read the report? or did you let yourselves go with the link bait title?

                                                                          Having and education higher than most of the bigots in this forum I ACTUALLY READ THE REPORT here is the proof



                                                                          The report sayings:


                                                                          So they are making the study based just on IMMIGRANTS (in a country where just the native Americans are not immigrants) they did not make any distinction in their results to verify or to know if the immigrants are legal or illegal.

                                                                          So the title could have been as well: First generation of Americans get more welfare than the second, but obviously will not be as hateful as the first one.

                                                                          congrats, you just proved yourself a hypocrite and bigot. and you claim you're educated yet think native americans are not immigrants.




                                                                          should have kept your bigoted trap shut.

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                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                            • 68184

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by patadeperro
                                                                            Did anybody even read the report? or did you let yourselves go with the link bait title?

                                                                            Having and education higher than most of the bigots in this forum I ACTUALLY READ THE REPORT here is the proof



                                                                            The report sayings:


                                                                            So they are making the study based just on IMMIGRANTS (in a country where just the native Americans are not immigrants) they did not make any distinction in their results to verify or to know if the immigrants are legal or illegal.

                                                                            So the title could have been as well: First generation of Americans get more welfare than the second, but obviously will not be as hateful as the first one.

                                                                            while you've been busy pointing your fucking finger, some of us actually read the original report

                                                                            and i fucking quote

                                                                            "This study is the first in recent years to examine immigrant (legal and illegal) and native welfare use using the Census Bureau's Survey of Income and Program Participation (SIPP)."
                                                                            Welfare Use by Immigrant and Native Households | Center for Immigration Studies


                                                                            spare me the fucking bullshit about you being educated.

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                                                                            • L-Pink
                                                                              working on my tan
                                                                              • Mar 2005
                                                                              • 39151

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by patadeperro
                                                                              Did anybody even read the report?
                                                                              Yes. Do you need it explained?


                                                                              .

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                                                                              • dyna mo
                                                                                just a fucking jerk
                                                                                • Dec 2008
                                                                                • 68184

                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by L-Pink
                                                                                Yes. Do you need it explained?


                                                                                .
                                                                                no fucking shit. his big education: native = native americans.

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                                                                                • mineistaken
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                                                                                  • Apr 2007
                                                                                  • 29656

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by patadeperro
                                                                                  Did anybody even read the report? or did you let yourselves go with the link bait title?
                                                                                  I already raised that concern (without even opening a link or looking at url) in post #5.
                                                                                  Op is notorious for link bait titles

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                                                                                  • EddyTheDog
                                                                                    Just Doing My Own Thing
                                                                                    • Jan 2011
                                                                                    • 25433

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    I hate to repeat myself - But - What % of illegals get benefits?..

                                                                                    Is there an answer?....

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                                                                                    • dyna mo
                                                                                      just a fucking jerk
                                                                                      • Dec 2008
                                                                                      • 68184

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                      I already raised that concern (without even opening a link or looking at url) in post #5.
                                                                                      Op is notorious for link bait titles
                                                                                      you and i even had a to&fro right here in this thread about that.

                                                                                      see what i did there, fro.

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                                                                                      • JuicyBunny
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                                                                                        • Jun 2010
                                                                                        • 2145

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Fence hoppers were quoted last year as saying they get nothing in their own countries but knew they could get free school, free medical, free, free, free, if they can get to US with a baby, with kids, or being pregnant.

                                                                                        Thats why so many walk, run, crawl into US especially if they are about to have a kid.

                                                                                        The kid is US citizen when born and can apply for all kinds of benefits. The system does not recognize the parents so the child is considered orphan. Gets a free ride until 18 at which time the kid can sponsor the parents and the incoming to US family train begins.

                                                                                        Google Venice Family Clinic in Venice, California and read through the site. I went there years ago when I worked as an actor. California funnels FED money through state then local programs to hide the fact they give benefits to illegals.

                                                                                        When I went for an appointment, in a room of 100 people I was often one of only 2-3 white persons in it. Sometimes 1-2 black families, rest all Latino.

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                                                                                        • mineistaken
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                                                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                                                          • 29656

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by JuicyBunny
                                                                                          California funnels FED money through state then local programs to hide the fact they give benefits to illegals.
                                                                                          Fucking traitors of the country!

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                                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                                            • 68184

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by JuicyBunny
                                                                                            Fence hoppers were quoted last year as saying they get nothing in their own countries but knew they could get free school, free medical, free, free, free, if they can get to US with a baby, with kids, or being pregnant.

                                                                                            Thats why so many walk, run, crawl into US especially if they are about to have a kid.

                                                                                            The kid is US citizen when born and can apply for all kinds of benefits. The system does not recognize the parents so the child is considered orphan. Gets a free ride until 18 at which time the kid can sponsor the parents and the incoming to US family train begins.

                                                                                            Google Venice Family Clinic in Venice, California and read through the site. I went there years ago when I worked as an actor. California funnels FED money through state then local programs to hide the fact they give benefits to illegals.

                                                                                            When I went for an appointment, in a room of 100 people I was often one of only 2-3 white persons in it. Sometimes 1-2 black families, rest all Latino.
                                                                                            + LA is a sanctuary city, a shelter for illegals to hide from the federal immigration authorities.

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                                                                                            • mineistaken
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                                                                                              • Apr 2007
                                                                                              • 29656

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                              + LA is a sanctuary city, a shelter for illegals to hide from the federal immigration authorities.
                                                                                              LA should be prosecuted for that! It is so crazy that is almost unbelievable - city decides to oppose the laws! Fucking disgrace.

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                                                                                              • dyna mo
                                                                                                just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                • Dec 2008
                                                                                                • 68184

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by mineistaken
                                                                                                LA should be prosecuted for that! It is so crazy that is almost unbelievable - city decides to oppose the laws! Fucking disgrace.
                                                                                                and LA still takes the fed dollars! this state is getting the living shit sued out of it over this issue by the family of that woman who was randomly shot and killed by the illegal in san francisco a month or so ago.

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                                                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by EddyTheDog
                                                                                                  I hate to repeat myself - But - What % of illegals get benefits?..

                                                                                                  Is there an answer?....
                                                                                                  you would probably have to go to records in dc. they don't post that stuff online.
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                                                                                                  • Horatio Caine
                                                                                                    full-time aspiring rapper
                                                                                                    • Aug 2012
                                                                                                    • 5746

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                                    they were getting it! i know for a fact!!
                                                                                                    Best fucking argument ever. You have outdone yourself shit for brains

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