Police fire on illegal immigrants

Holy crap you are stupid. It is mind boggling honestly.

Of course it would be great to save everyone, hold hands, and everyone be in complete peace. But then there is the reality that there is limited resources in the world to accomplish this.

What don't you understand honestly?

No one even cares about race accept you. It's reality Europe cannot support this influx. There is limited systematic resources. It's that simple.

There is "I'm mr. good guy" (you). Then there is REALITY where certain people have to make very tough choices so the less intelligent (you) can go on with their lives thinking that they are good people oblivious to what the real world is like.

How many migrants will you be employing? How many migrant workers will you be housing? How many migrant workers will you be paying health services for? Why do some of you people think these things are magically created within the system and it's an unlimited sum game.

Isn't Poland empty? You no longer hear English spoken in SE England streets anymore, it's all Polish.

Maybe it's just the camera angle but that para-military policeman or (soldier?) has the look of shame. The shame and remorse for following orders.

You're that weak minded that your best argument is your assumption of someones look in a random photo (that you admit may just be an angle)? Wow you get dumber by the minute.

Let me guess when you see the crying African kids on TV you donate your entire savings. But you really care so much.

Hypocrite.

it's convenient for the OP to leave out the Syrian Civil war (and the fucking fact that's where the shit started in Syria) so he can place blame squarely on the USA/west just to play the sympathy card about these refugees at mecedonia

this thread is like a sally struthers commercial

He is our typical all American patriotic nationalistic right wing low IQ screamer.

His occupation is unclear. Probably on welfare in need of money:

$10.000 for a b/g scene The whole post sounds like an overestimated narcisist...

Since when do you give a fuck about Europe?:

Owh wait... now you sound more like MetaMan:

I don't want you to care about Europe... please stay in your shithole... and suck a mexican cock at the border....

Really, war refugees are nothing new ... But they are not all Syrians many are Iraqis and Afghans too. Whose wars made them refugees?

Where is the UN? Or the Red Cross or Red Crescent? Seriously.

In the past 6 months boatloads of refugees have capsized with multiple fatalities in the Mediterranean.

You don't give a shit -- fine. But this is not going to go away ...

who says i don't give a shit just because i view the problem realistically? and who thinks giving a shit means playing captain save a refugee?

should we attack macedonia on behalf of the refugees?

should USA ORDER macedonia to take those refugees?

should USA send Boeing 757s to go get those refugees and bring them here and put them under an overpass in Miami?

just what is this sally struthers thread asking us to do to show/prove our giving a shit about this in macedonia?

i mean jtfc, of course most all of us care about innocent children being used as shields, but again, just what is it you want me to do here?

Do you have any knowledge about the Kurds, Alawites, sunnies or shia?

Why don't you read a little bit and you would understand usually when a said sect is in power the other sects are marginalized and become "refugees" in their own country.

Assads own Alawites sect were forced into the mountains years ago. There has been a power struggle long before these wars. These are tribal units who for the most part dont care what a Syria is or what map you draw.

You just don't get it. Your brain is to small to comprehend such complex issues so you resort to looking a pictures like a little child and playing imagination.

Well, what do you propose;

Send them back?
Ignore the problem and hope it goes away?
Exterminate them and end the problem?
Maybe, Monday there will be some discussions in Putin's Russia or with the Ayatollah in Iran?

Those people are the EU's responsibility now -- they are in Greece. The Greeks are in a bad situation. Ultimately; the EU, NATO and the USA have to take responsibility -- these people are fleeing the wars that we are fighting -- badly I might add -- for 12 years now.

This was not so much of a problem a year ago.

They are not an army or a group of terrorists using their children as shields. If you became a refugee from a war zone would you abandon your wife and children and flee to save your own ass?

You don't have any position to stand on ...

Send them back. And continue to send them back. If a stern message is sent then others will be informed that the journey is pointless.

This is not EUs issue. This is a middle east issue. Secrtarian wars are in their blood lines. This existed long before even the ottoman empire or before the lines of Iraq, Syria or Afganistan were drawn.

A stern message needs to be sent that the EU will not be a refugee dumping ground. Especially a group with an ideology completely opposite of european values.

WW2 European Values ...

I could add WW1 for JUST the last 100 years ...

Total War Deaths by Nation:
(in some cases, numbers are averaged from multiple sources due to discrepancies).


Soviet Union: 25,000,000
Germany: 8,000,000
Poland: 5,720,000
Yugoslavia: 1,363,500
Romania: 800,000
Hungary: 580,000
France: 550,000
Italy: 454,600
United Kingdom: 450,900
United States: 418,500
Lithuania: 350,000
Czechoslovakia: 325,000
Greece: 563,500
Netherlands: 301,000
Latvia: 230,000
Austria: 120,000
Finland: 97,000
Belgium: 88,000
Estonia: 50,000
Canada: 45,400
Australia: 40,400
Albania: 30,000
Bulgaria: 25,000
New Zealand: 11,900
South Africa: 11,900
Norway: 9,500
Denmark: 3,200
Luxembourg: 2,000
Ireland: 200
Turkey: 200
Iceland: 200
Switzerland: 100




Military Deaths (approximate):


Soviet Union: 9,750,000
Germany: 5,533,000
Yugoslavia: 446,000
United States: 416,800
Great Britain: 382,700
Italy: 301,400
Romania: 300,000
Poland: 240,000
France: 217,600
Finland: 95,000
Canada: 45,300
Australia: 39,800
Bulgaria: 22,000
Netherlands: 21,000
Belgium: 12,100
New Zealand: 11,900
South Africa: 11,900
Spain: 4,500
Norway: 3,000
Denmark: 2,100


Civilian Deaths by Nation (approximate)

Soviet Union: 13,204,000
Poland: 2,400,000
Germany: 2,035,000
Yugoslavia: 514,000
France: 267,000
Netherlands: 176,000
Italy: 145,100
Great Britain: 67,100
Romania: 64,000
Austria: 58,700
Belgium: 49,600
Spain: 10,000
Norway: 5,800
Bulgaria: 3,000
Finland: 2,000
United States:1,700

absolutely send them back, deny them illegal entry.

but let's be clear: they're on their way to the shcengen area (i.e. europe). and there's what, a million of them expected. so they'll just go around if you do not send them back.

how much will a million muslim refugees cost Europe?

i understand 750,000 of these Muslim refugees are expected to land in Germany in the next year alone. they get there via macedonia.

Gee,... and here I thought you could just take a run at a nations border and not be stopped, no matter what the country.

You would send unarmed civilian refugees back into a war zone where our country and other NATO allies are either actively fighting or funding the fighting then?

I am not happy they are there illegally but I know why they are there -- their county has become a war zone that my country and its European allies have been fighting in that area with no real success for over 12 declared years.

These wars have cost;


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a60_story.html

That doesn't include the costs of refugees or the war damages in the area ...

Damn, I thought it was closer to $1.5 trillion.
So, we can afford (a war debt of) $4 to $6 Trillion but can't afford to pay for the refugees we create?
We really fucked ourselves good and we just hand the same people that we claim to help back to hostile governments and ISIS. Talk about stupid ...

There's still alot of people here, although you guys took quite a bit of our skilled workers and definately took a TON of the useless riff-raff

Media always makes photos like this. I saw the whole set, for all we know there could have been like 5 kids there altogether...

This is how more serious countries tackle this challenge:
Rwanda confirms Israel talks on hosting African immigrants - News

He's not a terrorist, but he's a Syrian rebel leader: Syrian rebel leader seeks Europe _ fleeing gov't and jihadis - Yahoo News

This is what scares me- not the women and children that are crying at the border.

It's the classic example of inheriting another person's problems. The question is how many of these people is Rwanda or Uganda prepared to take in and what are the possible future implications to this transfer of problems?

All these Syrian and Libyan refugees should be housed in the well to do neighborhoods where the French, British, Saudi, Turkish, and American politicians who instigated and perpetuated the civil war call home. At the expense of all the banking networks that funnel dollars to the Jihadists and various armed groups.

The people in the west live in inactive democracies. We have no control over foreign policy and in the end we will pay the price when all the Mohammed and Ali of the world come setting up shop in our own neighborhoods, at our expense, and to the everlasting demographics and cultural change of our countries. Meanwhile those responsible will be behind their gated walls and island mansions.

I'm sure Israelis thought a lot about that issue and made the right decision.

All those politicians use price system to discriminate. They live in rich neighborhoods where one apartment costs more than one immigrant can earn in his lifetime. For example, Trump can say he'll accept any immigrant in his Trump Tower, but I doubt many of those people could pay 65 000$ month rent.

Let me write you something about how things really look here. This is extreme muslim migration. There were wars in Syria,Libya,Afghanistan for years, but suddenly they are all starting to come into Europe, now?

I am writing you from Belgrade ,Serbia. Probably only country that is letting them in without problems (how stupid you must be to let them inside after all that mess that muslims did, and currently doing?). City of Belgrade is flooded with muslims. This is SERIOUS and HEAVY shit, european country is becoming muslim in only several weeks.

I can't believe what da fuck is going on,I am seeing them on every fucking corner. Females with all that shit over their heads and male faces like you are watching on youtube allah akbar videos. They look like animals. And yes they are, just watch how they look at females here, ready to rape them.(and there were rape attempt last week near my home, made by one of those refugees)

There are two simple things: there are rich muslim countries that should let them there. Why that is not happening? Second, USA and EU made all that shit by supporting savages against civilized and legitimate regimes in Syria,Libya..... They should take them now. Of course, they will end on European soil while US is laughing to idiots letting enemies inside.

Only stupid or person without any real experience can't see that this is extreme security problem and that you are just letting thousand military capable men inside civilized world. This is going to be disaster, especially for shitty state in Balkans where next war will emerge.

Muslims can't be integrated inside western society. It is so simple. (just like any other religious extremists). What I am noticing is that 95% of them are young and capable men. There are some kids that are used to be photographed for news. I am driving near those centers where they are now (they are not forced to be there, they are free to walk, buy,do whatever they want to do) and there is no so much children at all, like you are seeing on reports.

There are already two extreme muslim states in Europe that US created. Bosnia and Kosovo.

Inside Kacanik, Kosovo's jihadist capital - Telegraph

Smart countries like Hungary made a fence and are doing everything to send them to other places. Europe will stop letting them in at some point but they will stay in Bosnia , Kosovo or Serbia (american puppet regime on power). If you think this shit is far from you,you are so fucking wrong, muslims are getting in while we are talking.

And don't be fooled, in previous week Macedonians were helping them to go further, to Serbia , gave them advices, trains, whatever it takes, just to get da fuck out.

What some of you are not getting is that this is muslim invasion. Simple as that. Same principle was used decades ago in Kosovo, they were coming in masses from Albania. After few generation,s they took over with all their sick rules in everyday life.

While we are talking they are coming on from Macedonia,take a look at a report from last night:

https://translate.google.com/transla...ata&edit-text=

https://translate.google.com/transla...ata&edit-text=

^^ We know Serbs hate Muslims and have no problem with exterminating them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzUzUYp9JiU




This is not going to go away nor can you wall in the shores of Europe.

The most reasonable thing may be to create a safe refugee haven and the world governments will have to agree to fund it. These same governments' wars that they fund that cause the war refugee problems are their responsibility to pay for.

If I get a tax bill surcharge of $1,000.00 to pay for the displaced persons that my government's wars have caused maybe I would think differently.


The USA, NATO, Assad regime, Russia and Iran (they fund and assist the Assad regime) are financially and morally responsible for the Syrian war refugees -- they are all combatants or the "boogieman" in the Syrian Civil War. The Afghan war refugees are the responsibility of the USA. The Iraqi refugees are the financial and moral responsibility of the USA and Iran by reason of their their continuous military and now political interference that has been going on since the "Tanker Wars" 1984-1988 to this day.

They are just getting passage through Serbia to the Hungarian border were they will face a Hungarian border fence. Unless a safe refuge is established for them be transported to in the EU they will be stuck in a hard spot between hostile Serbs and Hungarians.

The EU Commission and the US State Department are open for business Monday ... This might get messy as this may become precedent encouraging more refugees to seek safe harbor.

Google "
How many refugees are there in Syria?
According to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), over 3 million have fled to Syria's immediate neighbours Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and Iraq. 6.5 million are internally displaced within Syria.

You cannot dismiss this as a minor issue and limited occurrence

Lucky Canada did not push you back to sea ... or back to Ukraine a few decennies ago

nice post .. and spot on

Here these same refugees in Macedonia are rejecting red cross help whilst yelling "not halal"... There's like a handful of kids, it's 99% men around 30-40 years old.

times must be real bad for those guys, oops, i mean war refugees, to deny food because it's not halal. the horror.

but hey, America needs to settle those guys, on account of some made-up malarky about how we displaced them. better hire a bunch of sharia approved chefs or the war refugees may go on a hunger strike next.

A Muslim will only eat Halal meats that is his religious law.
An Orthodox Jew will only eat Kosher slaughtered meats that is his religious law.

There is no reason why they could not have been served vegetarian food -- beans, rice, vegtables, fruit.

I find it hard to think this was not intentional on the Macedonians part. Either they were callous or in contempt of the refugees. In that part of the world the Muslim religion is well known (and hated since the Ottoman Invasions -- these people come unarmed and just ask safe passage). You would think the Macedonians would be more than happy to get the refugees out of their country with the least amount of resistance ... The Serbs can foresee a problem at the Hungarian border. Why doesn't Bosnia and Herzegovina offer sanctuary to their fellow Muslims?

This is really fucked-up ...

You deny responsibility for a retaliation that has killed how many hundred thousands? Destroyed the US economy and villainized the USA (more) in world opinion.

Sorry, this is not why I fought in the streets during the Vietnam War Protests. I had hoped we Americans had learned something. Go build your wall and live your lie ... Click.

They refused it as soon as they saw crosses...could have been vegetarian or even full of blankets. they didn't even check

ANd that is precisely how they will act and live once they get in Europe. They will live by their own rules (religious bullshit , to be more precise), form communities, and remain closed to development....until they start cutting heads off. Their ultimate goal is to reproduce like animals and that's it.

When I go to muslim country, I am trying to act regarding their rules. I can remember once, I've almost got into the fight with some pushy guy in Tunisia. I've just ignored him for a while but they considered that insult and he started provoking me, insulting my girlfriend (that also accepted their idiotic rules and dressed like they expect there).

what are you going on about? are you not aware of the Obama administration's handling of Syria? you do realize he had USA stay out of it all up until he helped finance the revolutionists right? so what retaliation are you talking about? afghanistan? how many of those refugees are displaced afghaniis? you do know the war in afghanistan was officially ended last year right? so let's not pretend that after 12 years and an end to war, all the sudden all these afghans decided they're war refugees. or are you referring to the African refugees in that mix? what retaliation in Africa did the USA do that all the sudden created war refugees we should be accountable for?

and what's this about what destroying the USA economy? and in another thread, you were claiming the world view of the USA has gotten better under BO, but in this thread we're villians.

and what's this about "go build your wall and live your lie"? what the fuck are you talking about my wall and my lie?

If you are in desperate need of food/shelter, then you will take anything what comes in your way regardless of your religion etc., but in case they aren't then they aren't war refugees, just economic refugees, which is a whole different story..

Also the problem with these (war or economic) refugees is that they demand things. They already rioted in Hungarian and Czech refugee camps where they received every basic need. And if somebody is behaving that way while still in transit, you can only imagine what will he (or his descendants) do when settled somewhere..

Precisely...local news from today:

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

I love Barrys wording of this:

he tries to word twist and make it sound like he actually "fought" in the war. Just another arm chair idiot. He is was off the rocker.

I don't watch most of these YouTube videos pasted at GFY as they are not considered reliable news -- usually biased from one viewpoint. Youtube is the lowest common denominator a lot of the time -- I scrutinize it as i would any unauthoritative source. That said, I do not doubt its authenticity.

However, no attempt was made that I could see or hear to try to explain what was in the box. Both the police and the refugees acted foolishly. What stopped one box from being opened and shown to the crowd?

I am not apologizing for or condemning any side's behavior. But both side's behavior was hardly secular ... or realistic considering the circumstances. Speaking of circumstance if I was made to stand behind concertina wire and soldiers approached me -- how would you expect me to behave? Those are not civil conditions and I would not expect civil behavior.

As far as I saw those boxes could have contained anything.

Sad part is, this group of refugees has not chosen a spokesman committee and is exhibiting mob like behavior. There should be red cross workers distributing red cross packages and not armed uniformed para-military police. This Youtube Video may be/is a obvious plant.

This is from the same region and shows red cross workers distributing relief packages. Bosnia War ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yeyt1xqdoYU



I am trying to get an accurate translation of the Arabic.
This is not civil behavior on either side.

Thank you!

Geeze finally some people who actually have the ability to do critical thinking.

These refugees go in EXPECTING THINGS. and they EXPECT to go to norther European countries where THEY KNOW there is better social benefits.

Real refugees who are truly afraid of living will take anything to survive. ANYTHING. Barry is so delusional he really believes they should be provided with HALEL! It's crazy. I'm starting to think he's trolling.

You ever see areas hit by a natural disaster or in Africa where they are dropping food? People are literally ready to tear each other apart to receive their ration. But these refugees are waving it away. That's DISGUSTING behavior.

If i was on an unknown journey with my life in jeopardy and i do not know how long it would take. I would be stocking up on ANYTHING from ANYONE dropping all beliefs to survive.

Last year I was stuck at an airport overnight. Went about 24 hours with nothing to eat or drink. Somebody gave me a granola bar with walnuts in them (absolutely cannot stand walnuts, it's like giving water to a witch.) I grimaced but I ate the damn thing because I was starving.

Okay, maybe if I had a religious reason I would have rejected it. Politely. Said thank you but I cannot take that, can we work out something else?

Your problem is not my problem. I may feel empathy and I may be willing to help out, but if you reject my help arrogantly, fuck off.

Europe has quite the challenge. United States and Mexico have mostly the same religions and similar cultures. Europe and Middle East/North Africa, not so much.

Yes, a Christian will gladly eat a ham sandwich. An non observant Muslim or Jew would too.

A religious Muslim or an Othodox Jew believes that he would be commuting a serious sin with no escape clause -- silly as it may be to you or I.

In any case, unless you are a fanatic you could eat food that is not a meat and not commit a known sin for the sake of survival (a Jew could anyway). There are food preparation rules that religious Jews and Muslims must follow -- including a no contact with unclean meats according to Halal or Kosher religious law.

Personally, I would eat anything if I had to -- but I follow no dietary laws or religious beliefs. This is the exact reason why -- it's lunacy ...

Have you guys ever had someone over for dinner, only to find out they are vegan?

LOL.

Your bottom point is exactly the key. They are not culturally even close. They are so different that even the food aid isn't accepted. This is problems happening before they are even immigrated. What is going to happen when they fully cross over?

Also when you are truly starving your body goes into over drive and your instinct takes over. If you're truly starving you will eat anything. Absolutely anything. At the point of starvation even insects would seem like a steak.

These boxes won't typically have meat at all, it would spoil...contains mostly non-parishable items. Canned food etc. I'm sure the makaroni and blankets in there were ritually killed.

Not sure if Europe is in a need of fanatic Muslims. In case a refugee is a deeply religious (fanatic/orthodox):
a) Muslim, wouldn't be better just to show him the direction to Iran, UAE etc?
b) Jew, wouldn't be better just to show him the direction to Israel?

Also what do you think will happen once a deeply religious Muslim arrives in a regular European city filled with advertisements showing half-naked women, city centers filled with catholic temples and so on?

What you pasted is video of ethnic cleansing of Serbs from Croatia. It was done with USA support and no one gave a fuck in EU.There are still families that live in barracks like refugees , 20 year after it and now they share those barracks with those muslim refugees. Serbia is full of refugees from various regions and that terrible for any country , when you need to take all those people without jobs and feed them.

https://translate.google.com/transla...-text=&act=url

According to Barry they will simply take the non fanatical ones.

Precisely. I've wrote about it in posts above. Already registered one attempt of rape and from what I see ,they watch girls like animals. Can't get their eyes from them. It is scary.

I'm concerned about what will these Muslims do once they settle and realize we don't give two necks about Mohammed, we are welcoming tragedy and terror, how many of these will bite the hand that fed them? How many of these will become/are extremists?