Seriously - why has no one in this industry ever thought of this?
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I'm thinking that there used to be this old fashioned way of sorting porn videos. I know it sounds archaic now.
The way it worked was this...
Porn Vids in the members area: All of them.
Porn Vids for free: None.-Robbie
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Its insane.
Everything continues to get worse with how these tube giants compete for traffic.
They offer ridiculously better and better quality porn for free making it harder and harder for paysite advertisers to make bizWinston
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I like this blonde babe...
And idea is not so bad...
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:D great idea, never thought of this! But you would have to track the time the user stayed before he left..
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originally i just thought it was a fun idea and then it was turned into a piracy thread right away
but then i thought: there is something that shows the fundamental problem here
Robbie - when you say "Porn Vids in the members area: All of them." the underlying issue with this is: there were millions of cookie cutter sites with 20 vids for $39.95
of course you do not need a search function for that
then the tubes came along - and free or not - they offered what people wanted: huge amounts of content and not being screwed over
and the tubes were way ahead in technology - streaming, favorites, rating, commenting and search
let's be honest - this is how markets work - the lack of something on one side opens an opportunity on the other side
I had been arguing for hours on here about streaming years ago and was told that surfers don't want that and that no one is going to pay for it
anyone not offering streaming today?
and who streamed porn first and made you adapt?
i said it before and i'll say it again: most paysite owners dug their own grave by just trying to grab money the easy way whilst thinking it will go on like that forever
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How about sorting by the number of minutes viewed / the length?Comment
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Piracy is no longer the issue. Even with a 100% effective tool to close down piracy. The number of paying customers that would return is minimal. Who has a version of porn that a consumer can't do without and has to pay for it?
She may have fans who love her, make them pay and many will soon fall out of love and in love with a free version.
Even porn stars had a fickle audience. Comparing them to the devoted fans of people like pop singers is insane.Comment
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not sure how that relates to what i wrote - but ok
but in general i think you base this too much on the "falling in love with a girl" perspective
there are plenty of porn consumers that want to see a certain niche/fetish well done and dont care about the specific girl in the scene
but my point again would be: tube sites in many aspects are superior: content wise and technically
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Ok - so the Stop File Lockers project is dead ?"Americas Hitler" JD Vance.
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Lets not all fool for this ridiculous notion that the tube guys succeeded because they were tech pioneers that brought in some great new tech or marketing technique. The tubes were able to give the customer what they wanted because the production cost was not being paid for by the tube sites ! Tube streaming tech did not remove the cost of production - they just made sure it was someone else's problem.
It irritates me when adult tubes are referred to as a disruptive technology. I reserve that title for businesses that really did disrupt the status quo through smart tech or superior distribution. (amazon and book retail, netflix and film/TV, apple itunes and the music business)
The adult tubes thrived because they did not have to pay for their content. The "disruptive idea" was a realisation that the DMCA dance allowed them to steal the content thus completely negating the cost of sales. The adult tubes prevailed because of a legal loophole not because of a brilliant invention or business idea.
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just not true - people like JT when he was running Youporn focussed on data extensively - and they bought content in huge amounts.Lets not all fool for this ridiculous notion that the tube guys succeeded because they were tech pioneers that brought in some great new tech or marketing technique. The tubes were able to give the customer what they wanted because the production cost was not being paid for by the tube sites ! Tube streaming tech did not remove the cost of production - they just made sure it was someone else's problem.
It irritates me when adult tubes are referred to as a disruptive technology. I reserve that title for businesses that really did disrupt the status quo through smart tech or superior distribution. (amazon and book retail, netflix and film/TV, apple itunes and the music business)
The adult tubes thrived because they did not have to pay for their content. The "disruptive idea" was a realisation that the DMCA dance allowed them to steal the content thus completely negating the cost of sales. The adult tubes prevailed because of a legal loophole not because of a brilliant invention or business idea.
and i am really not saying all tube owners are saints - many are not and it really bothers me - but saying that all tubes never bought content is not true
actually sometimes the same people that in public cursed at tubes, licensed behind the scenes their whole libraries cause in the beginning tubes paid very well
but from a content owner point of view file lockers always bothered me way more cause there whole member areas in full quality are available - opposed to a few grainy videos on tubes here and thereComment
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I have never read it before, but it is right, many people in the adult industry have forgotten the basic principles of marketing, just because it has always been a demand for the product, but it wont hurt the webmasters to step up their skills in that area
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Because no one is making money on users visiting one page of a site. It's all about the ad impressions!
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Blaming the DMCA loophole for the success of tube sites is WRONG. Here's why:
DMCA only applies to US companies. If a tube wanted to steal everything and were based in Cyprus or wherever then DMCA does not apply. This means tubes would've done what they did regardless of whatever laws were in place in the US.
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don't take it personally but at the end a lot of traffic companies buy their own traffic back after they sold it to someone else before, who then sold it to the next and so on - but no value is created.
that might work for a while but at some point there will be no one left anymore that can afford to buy traffic that makes less than it costs
the same in mobile, non-profitable tubes have also disappeared as have TGPs, MGPs and paysites that don't deliver state-of-the-art content and technology
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i would never want or need to sort porn vids based on if they were watched in entirety. i mean really, so what if some random pron clip was watched till the end and percolates up to the top of that sort, i couldn't give a shit, i'm looking for specific pron, not randomized porn based on what some knucklehead somewhere let run till the end.Comment
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semantics. finished = finished. i think you could figure that out if you really wanted. either way, i tried to participate in your thread topic. you got miffed elsewhere when others changed the subject, you could choose to try and see that and my point or not. but hey, you're the guy who needs to generalize 95% of my posts as negative, so i get where you are coming from.
either way, it's fucking stupid to think sorting vids based on "finished" makes sense. i should have just stuck with being blunt with you.Comment
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Better and better technology will do what better and better technology always does to every Industry on Earth: destroy it.
Or, shrink it till the only people profiting from it anymore is a small handful of mega-players.
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No need to. Our members directly talk to us via PM in the members area. We know more about our members than any tube site and their pondering over analytics.
Anyway, wasn't trying to hijack your thread or have you try to tell us how bad paysites sucked in your opinion. My reply was a simple one that had to do with the health of the industry.
Right now there are millions of "cookie cutter" car dealerships all selling the same cars. But you don't see the automobile industry doing something so goddamned dumb as to say: "Hey, I bet the customers would like it even better if we just give the cars away for free!"
Of COURSE customers like to get everything free. Try it with your content company. Give away everything for free and watch your orders for content grow a thousand times over.
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WTF? Are you trying to rewrite history?
Content owners were never given any choice in the matter. The content is STOLEN and posted without so much as a heads up.
You think pirates were busy trying to cut deals back in those "time machine" days (about 7 years ago...for you "old timers")?
Fuck no! Most paysite owners didn't even know that it was occurring because they were too busy running their business (the way it should be).
Sometimes the stuff you say makes me shake my head. Love you man, but you really piss people off whenever you start defending fucking thieves. It's just that simple.-Robbie
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sorry, i can't help it, everyone has his own story to tell
i was approached when tubes were still fairly new about selling my library, back then I said no because I was worried how it would be perceived by my other clients
worst move ever - later, when many others already made good money, I sold mine as well, but for a lot less than I could have gotten in the beginning.
and i got one single complaint ever from one client who didnt buy a $35 video because she had seen it on a tube
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A "watched till the end" filter could be secondary metric. It doesn't have to be random. Once you've filtered the content to your specific fetish, you could then sort by watched till the end. It's no different than searching for a fetish and then sorting by "most popular" or "most favorited".Lead Developer - NudeflixComment
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That's a valid argument that I think many people overlook. The music industry has been complaining about piracy for years now, but studies have shown the people stealing music wouldn't have payed for it in the first place. I downloaded a ton of music during the Napster days, but I was a broke 20 year old. The studios didn't lose any money because of my downloads, because I didn't have any money to spend in the first place.Lead Developer - NudeflixComment
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I agree that actual member interaction is probably one of the best input you can get. However the tubes do this too. Whether it be ratings, favorits, comments, shares, views this is all very valuable data. Big data. Which you can not compare with the "little" input you get from 1 single site.
This is probably one of the biggest chances in this industry over the years and specially in regards to the tubes. Porn not being treated anymore in the old fashioned way but actual companies and marketing guys running this data analysing every bit of it and use THAT as a starting point.
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Don't forget machine learning. We use the hell out of recommendation engines these days. You're not helping yourself if you're mindlessly shoving thumbnails/links in people's faces. You need to target their interest. Of course we also collect a lot of big data.
Sadly the adult industry always seems to be slow in adopting new technology.Lead Developer - NudeflixComment
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there could be hundred different reason why someone would leave a website after watching a video, other than you know what I meanComment
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