If what you said had any basis in fact you should be able to find a link to some legitimate site on the internet that will support your claims.

ok, so you agree that saddam is very nasty hence should be taken out.

even IF the US is using saddam as an excuse just BECAUSE they want OIL, don't you think its fine anyways?

no one else is obviously stepping up to the plate to take him out, shit, might as well profit from the oil if we're the only ones with balls, lol.

Sadam HAD (or has, don't know about that) the tools and the knowledge inside his country to produce nukes... if a man that is capable of dropping chemical weapons without any warning whatsoever into a town with wifes and children that die painfull deaths then i'm pretty sure he WAS (or is) atleast trying to produce nukes, i don't need much proof for that..... that's just my common sence (or uncommon, whatever).

Check this.

http://www.kurdistan.org

http://kurdistan.org/Multimedia/iraq.html

<img src=http://kurdistan.org/Multimedia/Iraq.jpg border="1">

'Kurdish father Omar and his infant son, victims of Saddam Hussein?s poison gas attack on Halapja, Kurdistan, March 16, 1988'

Some specifics would be nice.

Tell me in a sentence or two what it was about?

Using your logic we should 'take out' every nasty dictator on the planet.

There are dozens.

Who's next and how many countries have to be bombed into the stone age to achieve this?

Saddam is an easy target and he controls a lot of oil. The motives here are clear.

Why should I? You will not believe me without links. Fuck it. You just go on thinking that this is all about the oil, so that you have something to hide from the real truth behind.



Attention everyone: Joe Sixpack has found links from a website that substantiate his opinion on what the war is about, therefore he must be correct. All hail Joe Sixpack.

pass me whatever it is you're smoking.

right, so who gives a shit.

with all the facts that hes indeed, a piece of shit, don't you agree someone has to take the upperhand against him and whoop his ass?

the prize for ridding iraq of saddam should be the damn oil itself.

we either let him live and continue to kill people and control a ton of oil.

or we own his ass and make a profit for ourselves.

whether or not the motives of the US are about oil, saddam needs to be taken out, the world will probably be a much better place w/o him.

I live in Belgium...... Pot is legal outhere.... i'll pick you up at the airport lol

Either put up or shut up.

Post some evidence of your claims or don't expect any further response from me.

This is not the way I want to the world to be run.

It's the 21st century now not the old west.

Thousands of innocent civilians are about to be killed... this time by your bombs. So what makes you any better... because you're doing it for oil?

Weapons inspections were cut short and should have continued.

okay perhaps people will have to die, but ultimately in the end it will be a better place. wouldn't you rather such a war to prevail than to allow a piece of shit such as saddam to continue to terrorize people? i heard just a bit ago on CNN hes killed approximately 1 million people. you allow him to live for several more years and that number will probably increase.

correct me if i'm wrong, but haven't those inspections been going on for a LONG time while iraq was being shady?

Give them liberty or fuckin kill em all.

Although i'm not American and those are not "my" bombs i agree that Sadam has to go along with his regime. I think no one wants the world to be in war, not even Bush BUT think of the countries next to Iraq... they never have and never will be safe with Sadam pushing the buttons. If the governement in Iraq doesn't want innocent civilians to be killed then Sadam should have stepped aside (a long time ago if you ask me). HE is the one that has already killed ALOT of innocent kids, wifes, men after all. He is the one forming a danger to the countries next to Iraq and his own people. I would rather have seen it another way (execute him or whatever) but at this point i don't see any other alternative then to do what has to be done. It's not only about those weapons anymore..... it's about a very dangerous man with a sick mind and alot of power. Would you like to see him to continue running things upthere? I don't and i'm sure alot of other don't.
I'm not trying to start something here, just my :2 cents:

Innocent civilians are being killed now and will continue to be killed as long as Saddam remains.
Most likely innocents will die in the war. At least they'll be dying for their freedom rather than simply because Saddam says so.

and also....

so what you're saying is you'd rather people like saddam to live and not even bother them? i'm sure living in iraq isn't exactly a paradise having heard all of the things he has done, whether or not the validity of them all are true, i'm sure some of it is. and its reason enough that someone must take action against him.

the world should be run in such a manner that whenever an evil dictator such as saddam appears, he should be taken out. agree?

what you're mad about is that you think the only reason the US is doing this is because of the oil correct? well what if some other country was doing what the US is doing now? would you still think its about oil?

just because iraq happens to have OIL doesn't mean no one should fight them because they don't want to look "greedy". hes a piece of shit, regardless of the oil he controls. its one less asshole for the world to put up with.

Oh yeah. THE DEBATE IS OVER!

hydrogen.

http://www.energypulse.net/centers/a...nt.cfm?a_id=69

hydrates.

http://marine.usgs.gov/fact-sheets/g...tes/title.html

It's easy to talk tough when you're a citizen of the world's biggest bully nation with more weapons and bombs than anyone else. What makes you think you can just walk into countries and remove their governments at will. How would you like it if someone tried it on you? It's imperialism and nothing more.

Where was the US when Saddam gassed the kurds in 1988? Why weren't you interested then?

Also, I continue to hear propaganda about how Saddam routinely tortures and executes innocent people every day. Well I'm yet to see ANY evidence of this... or at the very least estimated numbers of innocent Iraqi civilians murdered by a legitimate human right organisation. Perhaps you can point me to some documentation?

first off i'm not talking tough at all, just expressing some simple logic.

"What makes you think you can just walk into countries and remove their governments at will"

well, aside from being the strongest military power in the world, the many facts that he isn't exactly the most "just" ruler. and also not allowing proper inspections to take place, hence pointing to the possibility he has SOMETHING to hide.

"Where was the US when Saddam gassed the kurds in 1988? Why weren't you interested then? "

another point that is rather irrelevant, its better to get it done now, than never get it done. it isn't an excuse not to get things done. lets not try to focus on the "reasoning" of the US, rather try to understand that the world would be a better place w/o saddam.

"Perhaps you can point me to some documentation?"

take a look at some of Fletch XXX's recent posts in this thread. i think he pointed to a few.

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'Just last week, someone slandering Saddam was tied to a lamp post in a street in Baghdad, his tongue cut out, mutilated and left to bleed to death, as a warning to others.

I recall a few weeks ago talking to an Iraqi exile and saying to her that I understood how grim it must be under the lash of Saddam.

"But you don't", she replied. "You cannot. You do not know what it is like to live in perpetual fear.'</font>

<a href=http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/story/0,12956,916790,00.html>Tony Blairs Speech ( Full Text)</a>

Interesting article, although I couldn't find reference to numbers tortured and executed. I've never denied it doesn't happen, but if you listen to some people on this board its on the same level as the holocaust.

I went looking through some of the profiles of other nations.

Things seem just as brutal in many other African/Middle-Eastern nations (Algeria, Yemen, Nigeria etc) Are these countries next to be bombed into the stone age because of their treatment of their own people?

heres the bottom line. if you don't agree with this then you're either retarded, or express a hate for the US far stronger than reason.

You have yourself an iraqi dictator who kills people, MANY of them. The proof is out there, there are many many links to the articles on various legit news sources, just browse around in this thread and on GFY to find them. This dictator also wouldn't allow proper un weapon inspections to take place, which obviously hints to anyone with half a brain that he has something to hide.

Should we not bother with this iraqi dictator? Should we turn our shoulders and let him do whatever he pleases? Should we not do what it takes to rid iraq of this dictator?

NO. I hope that anyone who has passed 2nd grade would agree with this.

First off, the oil argument seems a bit far fetched to me.
Second off, the oil argument is ultimately irrelevant, it is a total side issue. The primary goal should (and I hope IS) be to rid countries of dumb fucks like saddam and his supporters. They happen to possess oil. Whether or not it is the US's primary reasoning for fighting this war doesn't matter. "BUT THATS NOT RIGHT!!!" Boo, Fucking, Hoo - We shouldn't bother with saddam and let him continue killing thousands of people at will?

Perhaps there are other countries with similar situations like that of iraq, and MAYBE the US wont even bother with those countries. But by ridding the current situation in Iraq, we're ridding the world of one less piece of shit, right? So its a step in the right direction.

anyhow... thats how i feel about it.

You keep asking for prooves about Saddam's atrocities. People from this board showed you numerous prooves gathered from reputable news sources but you sim to ignore them.


I believe is your turn now to present us some prooves that back up your statements about the reason of this war.

URL's PLEASE!