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Old 03-17-2003, 11:07 PM   #1
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Why can't we just assassinate Sadaam?

If he is the problem, why can we not just take him out verses a big war that will take the lives of soldiers and civilians?

I mean shit, would it really be that hard?

Is there a law against it (worldwide). The USA law against it was lifted after 9-11.

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Old 03-17-2003, 11:11 PM   #2
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yeah thats what i'm for. not war, but assassination.

and i believe there is something worldwide against it. which is pretty stupid.
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because War is nessasary to "thin the herd"...so to speak....
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"Is there a law against it (worldwide). The USA law against it was lifted after 9-11. "

Well yea... it ain't exactly "legal" to go running around killing people, despite the laws of the US (which don't matter one fuck to the rest of the world) - But hell, I can't see anyone complaining too hard if ya stuffed a bullet in Saddam's brain :-)

While your at it - stuff a bullet in Bush's brain as well, assuming you can find it... That will save major future grief to US folks and the rest of the world as well.
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remeber they want oil, no one gives a fuck about Sadam
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:20 PM   #6
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Saddam isn't sitting in a field with a target shirt, he's got shitloads of security, and someone will just take his place
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:22 PM   #7
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We can't find him. Really, that's it.
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:22 PM   #8
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wipe the whole country .

they' re bound to get him
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Give the job to the sniper...
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:33 PM   #10
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There is a HUGE difference between killing someone, and assassinating someone.

Killing is illegal, period.

When you assassinate.......... It's more of a military function where one person is the target instead of a military unit.

For example, my local police department can't go out and assassinate Bob, who lives down the street.

However, if in the event of war it's possilbe to take out a leader of a country or military unit, then fine.

I think it should only be done during war time.

Snipers scare me.
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:34 PM   #11
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I think we need to send James Bond to Iraq to do the job
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:36 PM   #12
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I think we need to send James Bond to Iraq to do the job
Or John Lee Malvo..
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:41 PM   #13
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Or John Lee Malvo..
Or Jet Li or Jackie Chan
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:43 PM   #14
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we have attempted to assassinate him, their is a law against assassanating another countries leader but its lifted in the case of saddam,

he has many doubles it not easy,
he never eat/sleeps/stays in the same place
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Old 03-17-2003, 11:46 PM   #15
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Lol ya. Also, if we assassinated Saddam we would set a precedent.
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the US doesn't assinate people anymore. they subcontract crazy israeli's but also saddam has loads of impersonators. i'm not sure but i think attempts have been made on his life in the past. the man goes so far as to have every palace he might be at in a day prepare meals just like he was there. it's almost like he lives underground in his own country.
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What good would that do, really? Kill just Saddam and you think the next person to come in to power is going to be a really nice guy who wants democracy?

The whole place is really fucked up and needs a shitload of reform.

And the arguement about it being just for oil is just retarded. Guess what? We already have oil. We already buy oil that comes from Iraq, so we already HAVE their oil.
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:11 AM   #18
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Next to impossible. His security and protective service is considered the most extensive and well planned out of any world leader. Tens of thousands of people are assigned to pretecting Saddam. He has the Murasiq Qun, the SSS (Al Amn al-Khas) (5,000 Men), the Special Republican Guards (26,000 men), the Fedayeen Saddam
(40,000 men) and the regular Republican Guard.

Never sleeps in the same place. Has several doubles. Has multiple duplicate motorcades. Only the driver knows which has the real Saddam. Has food tasters. Massive screening process for anyone to see him. Never leaves Iraq. No predictable day to day movement patterns. 18 bodyguards form a circular ring around him in public. He keeps an arsenal on his personal body also. Even his closest advisers like Tariq Aziz get body searched before a meeting.

In 1983 his limo was machine gunned in an attempt. One of his primary bodyguards took all the bullets and died. The assailant was from Al-Dijil and Saddam in revenge went and killed 3000 people in this town.

One of his bodyguards, Abu Hamdi Mahmoud, recently defected to Israel and is providing the Mossad with vast amounts of intel on Saddam and previously unknown WMD locations.
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Next to impossible. His security and protective service is considered the most extensive and well planned out of any world leader. Tens of thousands of people are assigned to pretecting Saddam. He has the Murasiq Qun, the SSS (Al Amn al-Khas) (5,000 Men), the Special Republican Guards (26,000 men), the Fedayeen Saddam
(40,000 men) and the regular Republican Guard.

Never sleeps in the same place. Has several doubles. Has multiple duplicate motorcades. Only the driver knows which has the real Saddam. Has food tasters. Massive screening process for anyone to see him. Never leaves Iraq. No predictable day to day movement patterns. 18 bodyguards form a circular ring around him in public. He keeps an arsenal on his personal body also. Even his closest advisers like Tariq Aziz get body searched before a meeting.

In 1983 his limo was machine gunned in an attempt. One of his primary bodyguards took all the bullets and died. The assailant was from Al-Dijil and Saddam in revenge went and killed 3000 people in this town.

One of his bodyguards, Abu Hamdi Mahmoud, recently defected to Israel and is providing the Mossad with vast amounts of intel on Saddam and previously unknown WMD locations.
you seem to know a lot....
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:17 AM   #20
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They tried getting him, you don't really believe the CIA is above assassinations do you? That's what Saddam did while working FOR the CIA.

There were plans on the table that called for nuking Saddam when found. He has remained elusive.

It's only recently that he surfaced because he felt some protection from the international community while UN was pursuing implementation of the latest resolution concerning Iraq.
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He has clones! No joke... look a likes...
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:21 AM   #22
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Next to impossible. His security and protective service is considered the most extensive and well planned out of any world leader. Tens of thousands of people are assigned to pretecting Saddam. He has the Murasiq Qun, the SSS (Al Amn al-Khas) (5,000 Men), the Special Republican Guards (26,000 men), the Fedayeen Saddam
(40,000 men) and the regular Republican Guard.

Never sleeps in the same place. Has several doubles. Has multiple duplicate motorcades. Only the driver knows which has the real Saddam. Has food tasters. Massive screening process for anyone to see him. Never leaves Iraq. No predictable day to day movement patterns. 18 bodyguards form a circular ring around him in public. He keeps an arsenal on his personal body also. Even his closest advisers like Tariq Aziz get body searched before a meeting.

In 1983 his limo was machine gunned in an attempt. One of his primary bodyguards took all the bullets and died. The assailant was from Al-Dijil and Saddam in revenge went and killed 3000 people in this town.

One of his bodyguards, Abu Hamdi Mahmoud, recently defected to Israel and is providing the Mossad with vast amounts of intel on Saddam and previously unknown WMD locations.

either you did alot of homework or your the CIA
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Old 03-18-2003, 12:21 AM   #23
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If he is the problem, why can we not just take him out verses a big war that will take the lives of soldiers and civilians?

I mean shit, would it really be that hard?

Is there a law against it (worldwide). The USA law against it was lifted after 9-11.

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I've been down this road a number of times with the President and also with Mr. Powell. Problem is they just can't justify me leaving my job in the adult industry to send me over and put Saddam between the crosshairs. This is the hard and bitter truth. It would have been over had I gotten the go code on time back in the first gulf war. Hopefully one of our guys does get him. Personally I would have hit him low in the gut or liver region and watched him die.....
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If he is the problem, why can we not just take him out verses a big war that will take the lives of soldiers and civilians?

I mean shit, would it really be that hard?

Is there a law against it (worldwide). The USA law against it was lifted after 9-11.

Mogul

Maybe because that won't work?

how far down the line do you go - him and his #2 man... his #2 and #3 man, a couple of his sons thrown in?

Iraq nor the world would be better off with who would just take over. They're doing this right.
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we have attempted to assassinate him, their is a law against assassanating another countries leader but its lifted in the case of saddam,

he has many doubles it not easy,
he never eat/sleeps/stays in the same place
Guess we have to kill all the doubles too....
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Why not clone saddam.. and.. send saddam.. in... a clone of him to take over?
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Guess we have to kill all the doubles too....
That's it, assasinate until the next leader understands what "no to do" better than innocents being killed as often happens in war.
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There was a great program on TV a year or so ago. They showed footage of Sadam at various speeches etc, and analysed the facial bone structure - a technique that can identify individuals almost as well as fingerprinting.

They reckon there are up to EIGHT active doubles of Sadam. Visiting journalists and politicians that claim to have met Sadam never really know if its the real one or just one of his doubles.
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Messed up... I need some doubles!
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Assasinating him will just put another crazy in his place.

So why did Bush say Saddam had to leave to avert war?

Does he have a replacement leader in mind who's acceptable or is he just doing the whole thing for PR?
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Guys, seriously, do you think we are tying to assasinate this guy and failing, and that's why we are going to war? Come on! We (the USA) can't get into the business of assassinating foriegn leaders, and its not just because we have a law agaisnt it. I hate to break it to you, but that law was passed for OUR safety!

The president of the USA is the most public offical in the world. He makes more public appearances than any other political leader. If the USA got into the business of assassinations, we would lose president after president. The thing that keeps our guys from being picked off is the fact that we don't go after their guys.


And don't think that our president is safe from some terrorist with a vendetta, becuase he isn't. If someone wanted to assinate him, he would be dead... he'll some random local psychos have picked off our eladers in the past, or come damn close (in Regan's case)
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1.) It's illegal.

2.) It would set a dangerous precident.

3.) It wouldn't change anything, unless we individually assasinated his whole regime.
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The real saddam wasn't seen in public in almost 5 years...
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if he COULD be assassinated
dont you think someone would have done that long time ago ?
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Well if Dan Rather can find him, I am quite certain that it's not *that* difficult!
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If he is the problem, why can we not just take him out
Because doing it that way wouldnt make billions of dollars for the bush family friends and associates. And it would deprive bush of playing the john wayne conquering hero while diverting attention from the terrible job he has done domestically. To even ask such a question proves that you (and many others) really dont get it.
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this is true, there was some news show last night about why we don't assassinate him. Would be very hard to, even if we knew were he was. You have to go through something like 4 or 5 layers of people just to talk to him. Shit he even has food tasters.
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Because doing it that way wouldnt make billions of dollars for the bush family friends and associates. And it would deprive bush of playing the john wayne conquering hero while diverting attention from the terrible job he has done domestically. To even ask such a question proves that you (and many others) really dont get it.
I recall something about a university offering a degree program for him two weeks ago. The upshot at the time was basically "Leave Iraq and you'll get a red carpet treatment that will make Ferdinand Marcos turn in his grave." So if it's not about the oil, and it's not about Saddam, then truly Bush is extending Christian charity to the huddled masses of Iraq in a gesture so magnaminous the Pope will weep.

Next stop Algeria and the Congo.
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this is true, there was some news show last night about why we don't assassinate him. Would be very hard to, even if we knew were he was. You have to go through something like 4 or 5 layers of people just to talk to him. Shit he even has food tasters.
Bush could cut a deal with Putin and other people with pull in the area. He wouldn't get the glory though. His sphere of influence in the area is a bit flat so his recourse is force. Diplomacy seems to escape him beyond national borders.

Anyway the Republican Guard now seems keenly interested in looking the other way. Maybe troops can just drive up and make an appointment with Saddam without being put on hold.
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