Mandatory Adult Vaccines Coming to California or GO TO JAIL! SB792

[wehateporn]

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

It's about time

[Phoenix]

i support this. Why should some idiot get to put peoples lives at risk because they think scientists who spend their lives trying to help people are actually lying about it? lol

[$5 submissions]

How about something less invasive like... if you get stopped for a moving violation or if you have some interaction with authorities? Looking for a middle path here...

[EddyTheDog]

Sounds like a plan - They could sterilize a few while they are at it...

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

i support this. Why should some idiot get to put peoples lives at risk because they think scientists who spend their lives trying to help people are actually lying about it? lol

Would you like to see vaccine safety improved?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

They could sterilize a few while they are at it...

They will, they do!

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

They will, they do!

Can you even sterilize anyone with single injection? You know, even you are intentionally doing it? For example men are still sterilized by cutting the tubes and similar method is used for women. Wouldn't some injection be easier if there would be one.

There was some discussion about this some time ago, but I can't remember the end results clearly. Something about some injection that you had to take time to time to have the desired effect, if I don't remember incorrectly.

So, basically; you can't permanently sterilize anyone with some injection. Well, at least without getting caught. Some polonium shot might do the job, but it isn't very stealth approach.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Can you even sterilize anyone with single injection? You know, even you are intentionally doing it? For example men are still sterilized by cutting the tubes and similar method is used for women. Wouldn't some injection be easier if there would be one.

There was some discussion about this some time ago, but I can't remember the end results clearly. Something about some injection that you had to take time to time to have the desired effect, if I don't remember incorrectly.

One way is HCG antigens

?Mass sterilization?: Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine

Anti-fertility vaccines. - PubMed - NCBI

[wehateporn]

They have some for goats

Great Orme goats: Contraceptive jabs cut kid births - BBC News

"The vaccination programme began in 2009 in response to a rising goat population," said Sally Pidcock, the country park warden on the Great Orme.

"The contraceptive vaccine is administered to the nanny goats who have to be rounded up for that purpose."

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

One way is HCG antigens

?Mass sterilization?: Kenyan Doctors Find Anti-fertility Agent in UN Tetanus Vaccine

Anti-fertility vaccines. - PubMed - NCBI

That Kenyan stuff wasn't about anything permanent if I recall right.

About that sterilization vaccine development; it is in development. I bet you have shouted this sterilization stuff for decades. Well, at some day it may be possible, yes. Maybe in near future. But together with some other vaccine? Dunno.

Also, revealing this stuff is easy. Get that vaccine, wait a week or two and get your body's antibodies tested. And there you go; the great illuminati plan revealed. Also, you can get just that vaccine itself tested, but the first option is easier if you can't get your hands on the vaccine.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Would you like to see vaccine safety improved?

sure that sounds like a great idea

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

That Kenyan stuff wasn't about anything permanent if I recall right.

Unless the HCG antibodies disappear, seems unlikely though.

Originally Posted by aka123

Also, revealing this stuff is easy. Get that vaccine, wait a week or two and get your body's antibodies tested. And there you go; the great illuminati plan revealed. Also, you can get just that vaccine itself tested, but the first option is easier if you can't get your hands on the vaccine.

I would prefer not to be human guinea pig

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

sure that sounds like a great idea

Then the media would label you as 'anti-vaccine'

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Unless the HCG antibodies disappear, seems unlikely though.

I vaccine my dog against rabies every year because those antibodies do disappear. Though this is not the case with all vaccines as our bodies create different kind of antibodies against different kinds of things and neither the vaccines are all the same.

Same is with humans. With many diseases you have to renew your vaccination. Haven't you ever be vaccinated or how you are so unaware about these basics?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

I vaccine my dog against rabies every year because those antibodies do disappear.

Given the high risk involved with pet vaccinations you'd be far better off doing a test for the antibodies rather than assuming another vaccine is required.

Originally Posted by aka123

Same is with humans. With many diseases you have to renew your vaccination.

Depends on the vaccine, for example vaccine-induced Mumps antibodies disappear within 2 years, whereas vaccine-induced Measles antibodies can last up to 10. Women only stay fertile for a set amount of time, those HCG antibodies will stop them giving birth at least in their most fertile years.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Given the high risk involved with pet vaccinations you'd be far better off doing a test for the antibodies rather than assuming another vaccine is required.




Depends on the vaccine, for example vaccine-induced Mumps antibodies disappear within 2 years, whereas vaccine-induced Measles antibodies can last up to 10. Women only stay fertile for a set amount of time, those HCG antibodies will stop them giving birth at least in their most fertile years.

What high risks? Testing for antibodies isn't very practical solution to determine the need for vaccination.

About that fertile stuff, from where you did get those numbers about HCG? Or even the ages of vaccinated women? And are you talking about some intentionally taken vaccine?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

What high risks?

Dr. Ronald D. Schultz, Ph.D..- "Annual revaccination provides no benefit and may increase the risk for adverse reactions. The percentage of vaccinated animals (those vaccinated only as puppies) protected from clinical disease after challenge with canine distemper virus, canine parvovirus and canine adenovirus in the study was greater than 95%." Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs. Dr. Ronald Schultz is a Professor and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences at the School of Veterinary Medicine, UW-Madison. Schultz, R.D. - Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs. Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254, 1998

Dr. Charles E Loops DVM - "The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realize that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the vitality and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for. Homeopathic veterinarians and other holistic practitioners have maintained for some time that vaccinations do more harm than they provide benefits. Vaccinations represent a major assault on the body's immune system.... Vaccine induced chronic diseases range from life-threatening conditions such as auto-immune crises to conditions destroying the quality of life of an animal as in chronic skin allergies."

Dr. Dee Blanco, D.V.M - "You take healthy animals and often very quickly after you vaccinate, you can see simple things like itching of the skin or excessive licking of the paws (right photo), sometimes even with no eruptions and licking of the air. We see a lot of epilepsy/seizure, often after a rabies vaccination. Or dogs or cats can become aggressive for several days. Frequently, you'll see urinary tract infections in cats, often within three months after their [annual] vaccination. If you step back, open your mind and heart, you'll start to see patterns of illness post-vaccination." See vaccinosis symptom of severe inflammation of the tail.

Dr. Pat Bradley, DVM - "In a general and frightening context, I see the overall wellness and longevity of animals deteriorating. The bodies of most animals have a tremendous capacity to detoxify poisons, but they do have a limit. I think we often exceed that limit and overwhelm the body's immune system function with toxins from vaccines. The most common problems I see that are directly related to vaccines on a day to day basis are ear or skin conditions, such as chronic discharges and itching. I also see behavior problems such as fearfulness or aggression. Often guardians will report that these begin shortly after vaccination and are exacerbated with every vaccine."

Dr. Donna Kelleher, a Seattle-based veterinarian who uses acupuncture and chiropractic, says that improving an animal?s immune system will negate the need for most vaccines. Vaccines, she says, have been shown to cause auto-immune diseases. ?I feel they may be responsible for arthritis, skin, liver and kidney problems as well.?

Dr. Christina Chambreau, DVM - "Routine vaccinations are probably the worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of illnesses but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to be caused by the vaccine. Repeating vaccinations on a yearly basis undermines the whole energetic well-being of our animals. Animals do not seem to be decimated by one or two vaccines when they are young and veterinary immunologists tell us that viral vaccines need only be given once or twice in an animal's life. First, there is no need for annual vaccinations and, second, they definitely cause chronic disease. As a homoeopath, it is almost impossible to cure an animal without first addressing the problems that vaccines have caused to the animal, no matter what the species."

Vaccinosis: Health Hazard of Routine Vaccination

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

What high risks? Testing for antibodies isn't very practical solution to determine the need for vaccination.

About that fertile stuff, from where you did get those numbers about HCG? Or even the ages of vaccinated women? And are you talking about some intentionally taken vaccine?

What I'm saying is that we don't know how long HCG antibodies stick around for, but they are vaccinating women within the fertile age range, women are more fertile in their 20's than in their 30's, but even if the HCG antibodies wear off there will no doubt be repeat vaccinations to restore them.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Dr. Ronald D. Schultz, Ph.D..- "Annual revaccination provides no benefit and may increase the risk for adverse reactions. The percentage of vaccinated animals (those vaccinated only as puppies) protected from clinical disease after challenge with canine distemper virus, canine parvovirus and canine adenovirus in the study was greater than 95%." Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs. Dr. Ronald Schultz is a Professor and Chair of the Department of Pathobiological Sciences at the School of Veterinary Medicine, UW-Madison. Schultz, R.D. - Current and Future Canine and Feline Vaccination Programs. Vet Med 3: No. 3, 233-254, 1998

Dr. Charles E Loops DVM - "The first thing that must change with routine vaccinations is the myth that vaccines are not harmful. Veterinarians and animal guardians have to come to realize that they are not protecting animals from disease by annual vaccinations, but in fact, are destroying the vitality and immune systems of these same animals they love and care for. Homeopathic veterinarians and other holistic practitioners have maintained for some time that vaccinations do more harm than they provide benefits. Vaccinations represent a major assault on the body's immune system.... Vaccine induced chronic diseases range from life-threatening conditions such as auto-immune crises to conditions destroying the quality of life of an animal as in chronic skin allergies."

Dr. Dee Blanco, D.V.M - "You take healthy animals and often very quickly after you vaccinate, you can see simple things like itching of the skin or excessive licking of the paws (right photo), sometimes even with no eruptions and licking of the air. We see a lot of epilepsy/seizure, often after a rabies vaccination. Or dogs or cats can become aggressive for several days. Frequently, you'll see urinary tract infections in cats, often within three months after their [annual] vaccination. If you step back, open your mind and heart, you'll start to see patterns of illness post-vaccination." See vaccinosis symptom of severe inflammation of the tail.

Dr. Pat Bradley, DVM - "In a general and frightening context, I see the overall wellness and longevity of animals deteriorating. The bodies of most animals have a tremendous capacity to detoxify poisons, but they do have a limit. I think we often exceed that limit and overwhelm the body's immune system function with toxins from vaccines. The most common problems I see that are directly related to vaccines on a day to day basis are ear or skin conditions, such as chronic discharges and itching. I also see behavior problems such as fearfulness or aggression. Often guardians will report that these begin shortly after vaccination and are exacerbated with every vaccine."

Dr. Donna Kelleher, a Seattle-based veterinarian who uses acupuncture and chiropractic, says that improving an animal’s immune system will negate the need for most vaccines. Vaccines, she says, have been shown to cause auto-immune diseases. “I feel they may be responsible for arthritis, skin, liver and kidney problems as well.”

Dr. Christina Chambreau, DVM - "Routine vaccinations are probably the worst thing that we do for our animals. They cause all types of illnesses but not directly to where we would relate them definitely to be caused by the vaccine. Repeating vaccinations on a yearly basis undermines the whole energetic well-being of our animals. Animals do not seem to be decimated by one or two vaccines when they are young and veterinary immunologists tell us that viral vaccines need only be given once or twice in an animal's life. First, there is no need for annual vaccinations and, second, they definitely cause chronic disease. As a homoeopath, it is almost impossible to cure an animal without first addressing the problems that vaccines have caused to the animal, no matter what the species."

Vaccinosis: Health Hazard of Routine Vaccination

What a load of bullshit from a bullshit website. For starters our, including our pets immune systems don't have enough to do in western lifestyle. Not the opposite. Our bodies are accustomed for having shitload of parasites and to some extent diseases, but especially parasites. Giving our immune system something to work on (like vaccine), does just good. Of course there is some risks too, but hey, you can't have a fight without casualties now and then. But it is anyways safer than getting the actual diseases/ or having shitload of parasites. Humans still have on average 6 different parasite species (per human). So, there you have your natural solution for your immune system; get few parasites more (besides that toxoplasmosis that makes you paranoid, it really does that)

[Brent 3dSexCash]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

Sounds like a plan - They could sterilize a few while they are at it...

Yes, including the OP

[PR_Glen]

surely shirley's wellness cafe has all the answers. I know i go there for all my medical advice...

Now i'm off to the onion to read the news.

[Paul Markham]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Would you like to see vaccine safety improved?

Maybe to the level of no vaccines and mass epidemics. That's the alternative.

[Mobius Matt]

Let the slow kill begin...

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Paul Markham

Maybe to the level of no vaccines and mass epidemics. That's the alternative.

Which diseases are you concerned about?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by Mobius Matt

Let the slow kill begin...

Bingo! 8Char

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

surely shirley's wellness cafe has all the answers. I know i go there for all my medical advice...

Now i'm off to the onion to read the news.

The danger of pet vaccinations is no big secret, it's not covered-up to the extent as the dangers of human vaccinations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline...on#Controversy

In recent years, vaccination has become a controversial topic among veterinarians and pet owners. Studies citing specific adverse reactions and general consequences for long-term health and immunity are both causing professional bodies to recommend reduced frequency in feline vaccination.

In 2010, the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) and American Association of Feline Practitioners (AAFP) developed vaccination guidelines recommending that FVRCP vaccinations generally be administered every 3 years, after completion of the kitten series of shots (which is needed due to maternal antibody interference[11]).

Internationally, the 2010 The World Small Animal Veterinary Association (WSAVA) vaccination guidelines[3] reduce the number of vaccines which should be considered core for felines, as well as recommending less frequent vaccine administration.

However, in an open letter to WSAVA,[12] an Australian pet owner and long-time consumer advocate has created a detailed critique of these guidelines, with numerous scholarly citations, arguing that the 3-year booster or re-vaccination recommendations are either arbitrary or influenced by vaccine manufacturers. She cites the scientific findings of both WSAVA's and other leading researchers, which indicate that, similar to humans, the duration of immunity (DOI) for cats vaccinated early in life with MLV (modified live viruses) is many years, if not the entirety of adulthood, despite the common practice of "boosting" vaccines every 1 to 3 years.

In the executive summary section, the WSAVA guidelines[3] do argue against needless vaccination and in support of "the development and use of simple in-practice tests for determination of seroconversion (antibody) following vaccination." In addition, they also note that "Vaccines should not be given needlessly. Core vaccines should not be given any more frequently than every three years after the 12 month booster injection following the puppy/kitten series, because the duration of immunity (DOI) is many years and may be up to the lifetime of the pet." The open letter critique focuses on the less-nuanced summary of these recommendations in the Tables given for vaccination guidelines, which could imply that re-vaccination should occur every 3 years.

[OneHungLo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Would you like to see vaccine safety improved?

Some people have adverse reactions to vaccines, but for the most part, they are very safe.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

The danger of pet vaccinations is no big secret, it's not covered-up to the extent as the dangers of human vaccinations

Based on that story you quoted there is not any real dangers in vaccinating pets. That was just against over-vaccination, what ever that is in detail.

And as all vaccines are usually animal tested, I don't get from where you get that assumption that the effects of animal (other than humans) vaccination is not well known. They test the possible adverse effects with animals first.

[baddog]

For the idiots that believe WHP - It is for adults that work in day care centers.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Based on that story you quoted there is not any real dangers in vaccinating pets. That was just against over-vaccination, what ever that is in detail.

And as all vaccines are usually animal tested, I don't get from where you get that assumption that the effects of animal (other than humans) vaccination is not well known. They test the possible adverse effects with animals first.

Cancer is a real danger of pet vaccination, each vaccine carries a risk, a game of Russian-Roulette

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by baddog

For the idiots that believe WHP - It is for adults that work in day care centers.

That's where it begins

[brassmonkey]

you better be ready when shit gets ugly! when all the shit the government police kkk abortion etc spills over it's going to be bad.

[Markul]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

you better be ready when shit gets ugly! when all the shit the government police kkk abortion etc spills over it's going to be bad.

Hey! You are aware that everyone here at GFY (minus maybe one or two nutters) wish the abortion pill was forced down your moms pie-hole before you came out right?

So maybe think twice before you bash the pill dude, it could've had a super useful purpose!

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Cancer is a real danger of pet vaccination, each vaccine carries a risk, a game of Russian-Roulette

Cancer? Based on what source? Do you even know what cancer is?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Cancer? Based on what source? Do you even know what cancer is?

A sarcoma is a rare kind of cancer. Sarcomas are different from the much more common carcinomas because they happen in a different kind of tissue.
Sarcoma Symptoms, Types, Causes, Treatments

Vaccine-associated sarcoma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccin...ciated_sarcoma
"A vaccine-associated sarcoma (VAS) is a type of malignant tumor found in cats (and rarely, dogs and ferrets) which has been linked to certain vaccines. VAS has become a concern for veterinarians and cat owners alike and has resulted in changes in recommended vaccine protocols. These sarcomas have been most commonly associated with rabies and feline leukemia virus vaccines, but other vaccines and injected medications have also been implicated"

"Many recent protocols indicate that vaccines should be given in specific areas in order to: ease identification of which vaccine caused an adverse reaction, and ease removal of any vaccine-associated sarcoma."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feline_vaccination

"For the last several years, veterinarians have noticed an increase in the incidence of sarcoma formation at commonly used feline vaccine sites."
https://www.avma.org/About/AlliedOrg...-sitercmnd-asp

[aka123]

Okay, but is not cancer, it is tumor.

Anyways if the numbers presented are correct, it does form enough substantial risk for cats. Though doses and such are unknown. Risk is quite high vaccination wise, but not yet game of rulette as you described. Especially as the diseases vaccinated against form a risk too. You have just some absurd assumption that vaccination is the only risk for pets.

"The incidence of VAS is between 1 in 1,000 to 1 in 10,000 vaccinated cats and has been found to be dose-dependent."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccin...ciated_sarcoma

[aka123]

Whateporn's cats and dogs on the move?

"The risk for contracting rabies runs highest if your cat is exposed to wild animals. Outbreaks can occur in populations of wild animals (most often raccoons, bats, skunks and foxes in this country) or in areas where there are significant numbers of unvaccinated, free-roaming dogs and cats. In the United States, rabies is reported in cats more than in any domestic species."

Rabies in Cats


" In 2010 approximately 1.1% of cats and 0.3% of dogs tested for rabies were found positive."

CDC - Rabies Surveillance in the U.S.: Domestic Animals - Rabies

It seems that in US it is 10 times more likely for your cat to get rabies (1/100) than vaccination induced tumor in the worst case (1/1000).

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

Okay, but is not cancer, it is tumor.

I've known you've been trolling for a while, but now this is getting too silly, I'm sure I don't need to point out to any GFYers (including you) that a sarcoma is a rare form of cancer, but just in case I do, there you go.

[nico-t]

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

I've known you've been trolling for a while, but now this is getting too silly, I'm sure I don't need to point out to any GFYers (including you) that a sarcoma is a rare form of cancer, but just in case I do, there you go.

From your own quote, I guess you don't read what you post. And yes, I am very sure that GFY is full of medical experts, including you.

"A vaccine-associated sarcoma (VAS) is a type of malignant tumor"

[pornguy]

So.. Illegal to Not have their Insurance for medical and illegal to not take the shots they want to give you.

hrm.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by aka123

From your own quote, I guess you don't read what you post. And yes, I am very sure that GFY is full of medical experts, including you.

"A vaccine-associated sarcoma (VAS) is a type of malignant tumor"

You are saying that a cancerous tumor does not count as Cancer?

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by pornguy

So.. Illegal to Not have their Insurance for medical and illegal to not take the shots they want to give you.

hrm.

That's the game, induce the autoimmune disease with the shot, then the insurance pays Big Pharma for the drugs to treat your symptoms, it's actually a great business plan

[beerptrol]

Here's the bill.
SB 792 Senate Bill - INTRODUCED

[baddog]

Originally Posted by pornguy

So.. Illegal to Not have their Insurance for medical and illegal to not take the shots they want to give you.

hrm.

NO! That is NOT THE CASE. Stop listening to idiots.

Better idea, just stay out of the state. Thanks in advance.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

You are saying that a cancerous tumor does not count as Cancer?

Well, despite of the similarities those are not the same thing. Especially as the whole thing is associated with vaccines doing something or not doing. The birth mechanism and what it is are quite essential things.

You just willy nilly throw accusations into air, even though it is quite serious shit. If you want to be so "free thinking" or whatever you think you are; start acting like it. Now you are just some anti-vaccine sheep/zombi.