The problem with pay sites is simple

This man wins the coconut.

Porn sites can work like this, the cam model is one that certainly works like this. Dating can as well.

The crunch is the free sample isn't given away 24/7/365 and 1,000s of sites. And the product is worth purchasing on a repeat basis. So for porn there has to be the element of consumers have to pay for satisfaction.

so true

ps, ABAG.com

Ok...but even just a simple nude picture can be better than a movie, in the hands of someone who likes sex and knows how to capture it with a lens. Just take any joe scumbag off the street who buys a camera and decides he's a porn producer -- and you get all of that dime-a-dozen crap which has oversaturated the market.

Quality doesn't necessarily mean elaborate sets and movie style plots. Just hot sex with attractive people shot well.

Offer a two tiered membership;

1. a Free membership that would include older full length content served with advertising -- a tube killer
2. a Paid subscription with ''premium content'' served with limited (roll out ?) advertising -- use the ad revenue to subsidize the subscription price

I would be happy to buy ads direct on a legit porn site and I am sure here are others that would also like to buy quality advertising

I dont know where you have been, but even in the webcam sites you open an account for free and can see the shows for free as well, and you get paid for those free accounts, obviously they know that certain number of those people will eventually pay, that is how the business works.

We shooters also had a budget to work with that would scare pornsites. And that's all it takes.

It wasn't pics vs movies comment. Not at all. It was more like nude "mugshot" vs capturing sexy moment.

I do take some pictures (not anything to do with porn) and there is big difference between just taking a photo and capturing some moment. Most amateur/ family photos are merely mugshots. Really, most photos are some selfies or photos where people pose directly towards cam with some grin on their face. Though those are mostly intended to capture memories more than the moments, but still.

maybe like the old free site model. 3-4 pages. 15-20 photos and then the see more now link to the paysite.

Well, that is what the TRIAL basically do. You allow member to enter, they can take a look, watch some content and navigate all the site. When they want to download, comment, interact or just see more content, they'll need to upgrade. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Build a Tardis, set it for 2007, and you're good to go. LOL

Your post should be stickied immediately, together with Paul Markham's "magic join links" tutorial!

Sounds like one gallery or FHG.

Nothing prevents trying that: get a domain, put one gallery into there and see what happens. I predict that not that much will happen.

Have also been in exile on a different island but laughed out loud when reading this as I had the same thought. Also equated it to the free trials... which of course we all know are not really free .... unless they are done without taking a credit card now?

That said after pondering a bit longer there is a potential difference...

If the Gambling sites are giving them that first $30 free just for their contact information.... without taking their credit card AND allowing them to play again also without getting their credit card then this differs from tubes ANd trials as it is a different type of hook than we currently offer.


It is a genuine Freebie in exchange for the right to continue to market to your interested party and get your money eventually. Yes at a glance it looks like an antiquated or been there done that approach. And it DOES work for a lot of industries... at this time I can't think of how it would apply to the paysites... we have dropped our drawers (both figuratively and literally) too far to straight give away something for emails.

While the tubes are a genuine freebie... generally they are sending the surfers to many different sites and are thus part of the marketing machine rather than than the client acquisition for any 1 company. There is no guaranteed return for the company that owns the content/site... they may just get a click or a page view.

What DVTimes is talking about is giving something to our clients like we see in mainstream that has a real value (not an ebook) and then start to build trust and confidence.

As for giving away a tangible free object that requires shipping, such as the VR Goggles, that is a great idea as it is much more involved and difficult to charge back when something has been shipped.

Maybe it is food for thought? Is there away to capture them and correspond beyond spamming, sending updates? Maybe. I don't know, but I am not sure I would dismiss it as a possibility. Anything is possible. I thought this industry was dead after the tube sites but yet here we all are! So anything is possible lol

Maybe things have changed and I am wrong... please feel free to bring me up to speed if I am ...I know you will lol

The difference between the gambling industry model of ONCE giving away a freebie, and porn's model of ALWAYS giving it away for free.

Is so obvious even I see it. LOL

We now have a company employing people to upload 1,000 videos a week. And the Company after being inundated with applicants. Needs more.