:) :kisskiss

Shap how do you feel about the TV show 'Shark Tank'? I am addicted to it. LOL If you watch (and listen very closely, as I do) then you can pick up all kinds of tips and tricks for investors and start-ups.

Hi!

Ok again these are personal thoughts. Be sure to test or disregard. Just my first thoughts when viewing the site.

The color isn't my favorite (yellow/greenish part). Not sure if that would help or hinder sales. If I were you i'd test that. Color is a personal preference but you want to find the color that makes your girls look best.

I think thumbnail selection needs some work. The thumbs that are up now are ok but not stand out. I think you could seriously up the quality of the thumbs and the thumb shot and see a good improvement in results.

I would try varying your thumb size and thumbs per row. Maybe bigger thumbs and 4 per row vs what you have now. Could help could hurt. Worth trying.

Your most popular video is rated 3 stars. I wouldn't join a site where the most popular video is 3 stars. I recommend pulling the stars from your tour as it doesn't help.

I would push the african theme harder. Maybe african flag, a map of africa. Make up some bullshit about what tribe these girls are from and show it on the map. If you really want to push african lesbians that would push that angle more and I imagine that would help your sales.

I'd be careful showing comments on a tour. If there are few comments it hurts your sales pitch. If you had 10+ comments per video it would help. But having little to no comments hurts.

I think those are some good starting points for you.

I enjoy it and love picking up tricks and tips the investors give. Love seeing how the sharks react and engage in the potential companies.

Can't see what you are referring to. You are asking best call to action to get someone to do what? Signup for a paysite? Login? Click a link? Let me know.

^^^ u missed me ^^^

Great to read your feedback Shap

Haven't had a chance yet. Working through them :)

It depends what your goal is. So let's go way way back to one of my early free sites. I started a big boob tgp. I was still in university and pam anderson was the biggest sex star alive. i thought hmm let me start a big boob tgp and load it up with pam anderson type girls. Fit girls with big fake tits. Traffic was flat. No growth. No emails. Nothing. Then I listed a Lindsey Dawn Mckenzie gallery and a Dazie Kellog gallery. Two natural girls. My sales, traffic and email feedback went through the roof. The feedback was clear. NATURAL was the way to go. It wasn't what I wanted but it was the path that would yield the best results and it did.

Never scrap something because of what one person says. Scrap based on data and your intuition. One thing I learned a long time ago is that a good design or layout does well from day 1. It doesn't take 100 days to finally start working. So if you switch a design and test it for 7 days you should have the data to know if users are engaging more with it, returning to it, consuming it etc.

Here is a great video for you. The art of knowing what data to listen to and what feedback to listen to is key. It's the art that differentiates the best from the rest.

LifeSelector - Bring it on! :)

https://lh3.ggpht.com/ATB1hhQ9WywL-S...vFikqPoCw=w300

ps. Agree with Stan, consider keeping the "Shap Q&A" on GFY for now, you can always change that in the future, but for the time being, the traffic+platform is already here.

Thanks for that.

When you said, 'feedback' I thought you meant from a consultant or from others - kind of like what you're doing in this very thread.

But here you are talking about stats and opinions.

The video was good too. Thanks for the share. I remember Markus Frind also saying in a blog post to 'not' listen to all the feedback your members give you.

I've always thought this site is a huge mess. It's extremely busy and confusing and difficult to read. Even "life selector" itself has no real meaning and its not clarified in any way... its meaning is left to be assumed once the user digs and reads and tries to solve the mystery.

The best way to think of a website in my view is that its a silent dialogue with the user. You have to answer the users questions, in the order he is processing them by the site layout design, headlines, sub headings, content and call to action.

I.e.
"where am i" = clear logo, and tagline in upper left where eyes are trained to go to first
"what is this place" = a headline that perfectly sums up the site, which speaks to the user (my rule is that it should make them respond "i want that")
"what can i do here" = the content flow is selling the product - answering questions from most asked to least asked.
"how do i get this" = user is led to CTA

Your site makes people start asking questions... and makes the user think and dig and think some more for answers. They shouldn't be thinking "what the hell is this" when they open the site and shouldn't have to start investigating to figure it out.

That's just my opinion. Thrixxx guys hit me up to get me to promote your site (non windows traffic) because you have some agreement with them but i just couldn't get over the fact that your site is so busy and confusing.

Livejasmin was never pretty... it was clear.
The age old discussion "does a pretty site or ugly site sell better" a;always ignored that fact that the site that is the most clear, sells better no matter how it looks.
:2 cents:

Could he be more of a man than you'll ever be and more of a woman than you'll ever get?

I like how you're trying to dominate, it's cute 👍👾

In spite of some of your ass-dickery, you've always seemed to have an inherent understanding of how things work.

Thanks. I can afford to be an asshole because i'm not peddling a product or service. I don't need to pretend. I don't need to be fake. I don't need to pretend to like people I don't. I don't need to pretend people are smart that are stupid. I don't have to call a model pretty that's ugly. I don't need to tell the fucking moron selling SEO services that he's a genius when he clearly has no clue what he's talking about. I don't have to say a new site looks great when its an obvious mess. I don't have to wish everyone luck with their awesome new project which will clearly fail inside of 3 months.

My success or failure is not directly tied to how well i'm liked or how much ass i kiss.

I don't need anyone.

I have traffic.

The simple truth is that I can stab an affiliate rep for a dating program in the face with a rusty fork 25 times and he'll still be hitting me up from the ambulance on Skype "hey bro, no big deal. i've had worse... so... is there any way we can scale up on that AU traffic if I bump up payouts some more". Interestingly, the only people that seem to be deeply bothered by the fact that I don't give a shit about what people think, are those idiots who spend there days on here kissing others asses to hustle a shitty product or service.

Besides... who the fuck am i to anyone here? I'm just pixels on a web page. Who cares what I have to say.... It shouldn't matter at all.

Another one.

ABAG.com

:thumbsup:thumbsup Thanks I know Arock he's cool. Going to get him some feedback.

I agree with most of what you say. You shouldn't have to pretend, or give good feedback when it's not deserved and be fake etc... I also find that that happens too much on this board.

But why be harsh (or in your words above, 'an asshole')?

You can just as easily tell people that their site won't sell or that you think their idea won't work without the added harshness.

I'm not saying you should change, I'm just curious.

All in all I'd rather hear the truth with harshness, rather than fake praise.

Haha thanks yea I was referring to the site I posted :)

I think more for the reasons i stated and moreover, the single reason you stated "fake praise". It's always fake praise, by disingenuous, self serving people, complimenting someone's crap project knowing they are so emotionally invested, they won't want to hear anything else... and they do it for their own benefit, not that of the person who actually sweat blood and tears into his work. In fact, they do it at his direct expense.

The other side is how do you wake someone up? How do you make Sleazy see YesSignals.com as being a bit of a mess that needs a lot of work? You can't do it by ass kissing. You can't be gentle and get his attention. You can't wake someone from their trance with politeness and courtesy. You certainly can't get them to see it completely differently when they are so emotionally invested in what they are doing, by being nice.

He hit up a lot of people on ICQ telling them about his "idea" and showing them his "site" and everyone basically said "looks cool bro" to avoid an awkward, but much needed conversation that an actual "friend" would have had with him. Because this business is so full of fake, self serving douchebags, he then launches a site which makes no sense at all, where it's not even clear what the site is, what it's about, what it's selling or whats going on and that was basically his last chance before fading away into obscurity.

Mickey! Hate the name to be honest. It's a little generic and a little sterile and someone forgettable.

The idea is pretty sweet. Checking out the mia malkova one now. Great idea but i think the layout and way you sell and present it needs work.

I remember yessignals and believing the hype because he made an announcemnet to the whole forum but kept it secret and only told a few 'bros'.

Those bros then commented on what a good idea it was and so the rest of us were 'sold'.

Then, when it was revealed, I wasn't sure what to think. I knew inside that it was a dud but the 'bros' said it was a good idea.

So you are right, it is at their expense. They get fake praise and then go on to spend money and time into a project that is wasteful ... but they too are happy that nobody hurt their feelings.

Thanks for your reply.

Great feedback. Thank you very much. :thumbsup

I'll push the African theme harder.
And also split test the color and bigger thumb tours. Getting rid of the stars and allow comments viewable for members only.

Sorry Mickey that was shitty feedback. This thread took a weird turn and I'm not sure what to make of it lol. I expected smaller guys to post pages they needed feedback on. But as someone else said the second I said actionable they checked out. Now it's big boys like you, Stan and Roald. While I'd love to give feedback I get the feeling the things the three of you are doing are so much bigger than just a single page or single design element that it's a bigger conversation.

Shap,

You started this, now own it, crush it!

He's watching, judging (and recording) you. :1orglaugh

http://i.imgur.com/8hncJah.png

Jokes aside, thanks for the preliminary feedback and I don't think what you gave was shitty. Sometimes all it takes is a few ideas or morsels that other ideas can stem from or pointing out areas that need work.

RE: Brand - Agreed, we can definitely do better and have a plan in place to address that.

RE: Layout - We're rolling out a handful of new tours that should address a good portion of that. So any input on that will definitely be considered.

About the thread, the turn it took and giving feedback on larger projects, I think you have a lot of options to stay sane, a few ideas:

- Limit feedback to X number of specific areas of focus that you think will have the biggest impact/will yield the biggest improvement.
That way you won't feel overwhelmed, there's no analysis paralysis, doesn't take as long and the site owner gets to focus on what will potentially have the biggest impact.
OR
- Ask the site owners to get more specific about what they want feedback on
OR
- Exclude paysites (the worst suggestion of them all) :winkwink:

I'm sure others will have ideas to add to that, so that they can help you help them and everyone wins.

Great initiative, rock on.

You, my friend, are the Kevin O'Leary of GFY. And I thank you for that! Keep the brutal honesty coming (except towards me, we all know I'm awesome and perfect LOL).


Well here's the thing about 'feedback' Shap: for someone like me, who's been peddling paysites going on 7 years now, and whose company has brought in millions in gross revenue during that time period, my feeling is I should know what sells and what doesn't at this point. Big companies like Roald's or Mickey's do indeed deserve a broader more 'macro' conversation while guys like me are 'in-between' the little and big guys. We 'in-betweeners' have neither the time nor the resources to implement broad changes and maintain them long enough to A-B test without losing vital income.

Now, the 'little guys' who could benefit from your advice and experience the most? They're mostly gone, or too new to understand who you are and what you offer, or are just too damn clueless to seek your advice.

(I have benefited greatly from your experience and advice so I personally say 'Thank you'.)

I strongly disagree. I think your range is the range that can benefit the most. Whether you want to or not is a different story.

I think this would help a lot indeed, just posting a url doesnt make much sense either without knowing more about the target market or what you try to achieve.

Cheers guys :thumbsup

Brilliant! I like that

Well, feedback would be great but it would have to be private. Also, having gotten feedback before (and having tried the suggestions) I'm honestly wary that you might end up saying similar things. For example, my #1 site is Eros Exotica. It's been live four years now and there hasn't been a single day since it launched (not one) where it hasn't made multiple sales. That site has gone through several designs, ranging from $500 - $5000 (including scripting). Yet the cookie cutter simple site you see now cost $125 and took an hour to design. After extensive A-B testing on each version the $125 one out-performed all other designs as much as 35%!

Yet when people see that site (professionals) they cringe and start giving me all kinds of 'Do this" and "do that", most of which I've tried and didn't work. (Animated GIFs for thumbs, endless scroll, hot spot pre-loads, add video/remove video, turn the design responsive, try pop-unders, try re-directs, try placing ads in the Footer, get a seperate mobile version, on and on...)

So that's the resistance. But if you'd like to start with that site and let me know your thoughts I would honestly tell you if I found it helpful or not. You can see on the Join page I've already implemented your suggestion of a $99.95 yearly option. So if it's ideas like this you have I'm all ears. :)

Porn Nerd Cash at Geemail.

glad i blasted him for it lol

why does it have to be private?

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You're welcome :)

Man... people are actually asking for AU traffic? Those fuckers chargeback like no tomorrow.

Because I don't want the keyboard monkeys of GFY jumping all over my site/your suggestions.

I have sent you emails in the past you never responded to so maybe it's you who doesn't want to really give feedback? I'm not interested in a public debate over my websites or businesses. Thanks anyway.

I've replied to your emails in the past. Not all but some. As soon as an email is longer than a paragraph I tune out and usually ignore it.

You've clearly indicated many times here you aren't interested in feedback, so no point in wasting my time.

And I'm not interested in giving anyone feedback in private as that is a selfish way of doing it. If I do it for free it's done publicly and hopefully will help more than just the recipient of the feedback.

If I wasn't interested in feedback I wouldn't have mentioned my site. Clearly you have pre-conceived notions of me that date way back so are blinded by what I actually wrote in this thread.

Sorry Shap, but insisting on feedback being public is a dealbreaker for many, not just me. General feedback for the masses is one thing but specific business strategies should be kept mostly private. When you were running Twistys I'm sure you didn't want to discuss changes or competitive strategies so openly.

Maybe a more general GFY Educational Series-type thing is what you really are trying to do here. If so, have at it.

End of the day trying to hide what you are going to do doesn't really change your level of success one bit. I went through phases where we tried to hide everything and where we didn't. Retrospectively looking back hiding never worked unless it was very specific stuff Ie cover model.

Like I said good luck. Not interested in piping up valuable information in private.

And in the end you lose out on getting valuable insight from one of the best minds this industry has had. It's resistance like this that continues to keep you firmly in the middle and having to work many many hours to keep your ship going, instead of having the revenue to afford talented help to push you further, and reduce your workload.

Which is fine if that is what your goal is.