So tell me again why the Confederate Flag is the Symbol of Black Oppression in America

[wehateporn]

A stark reminder that the Confederate flag does not hold a monopoly on racism.

SO TELL ME AGAIN WHY THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS THE SYMBOL OF BLACK OPPRESSION IN AMERICA! | WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

[dyna mo]

jtfc, how many fucking times to have to tell you.

[L-Pink]

When Dale Jr says it's time to move on ..... It's time to move on.


"I think it's offensive to an entire race," Earnhardt said. "It does nothing for anybody to be there flying, so I don't see any reason. It belongs in the history books and that's about it."




Dale Earnhardt Jr. on Confederate flag: 'It's offensive to an entire race'


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[blackmonsters]

Well I guess this clears everything up and those nine people are now "undeaded" by this thread.

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[brassmonkey]

white power!!

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I guess this clears everything up and those nine people are now "undeaded" by this thread.

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i know i'm very fucking happy with the grass root steps being taken in the right direction in the USA to deal with racism now. people are doing the right thing where government is not and that's even better than the other way around.

nothing will bring those folks back but when we look back at this tragedy, we'll also point to when it became culturally unacceptable to display that flag. conversation over.

America, fuck yes.

and that's also why this thread is a cocksucker thread.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

white power!!

you should be a high-fiving mother fucker right now.

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

Well I guess this clears everything up and those nine people are now "undeaded" by this thread.

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[wehateporn]

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should be a high-fiving mother fucker right now.

dood they are evil! i know first hand

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

..............Erased it because I'm a bitch ass coward

Yeah, yeah, the swastika never killed a Jew either.

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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

dood they are evil! i know first hand

you are denying the fact that Americans are making a fundamental change in the discourse here. it's no longer socially/culturally/historically/wtfeverly acceptable to display that flag.

that spree shooter [thought] he was going to start a race war, what is happening instead is the exact opposite. i'm not seeing why you are not seeing that and appreciating what is happening.

[wehateporn]

Just wait until they decide to say that guns are the symbol of black oppression

[blackmonsters]

So called proud Americans don't even care that a US senator was murdered.

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Just wait until they decide to say that guns are the symbol of black oppression

You've transformed from conspiracy UFO nut to paranoid racist fool.

[Best-In-BC]

If you think that point you got is valid your one hell of a fucking retard.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by blackmonsters

You've transformed from conspiracy UFO nut to paranoid racist fool.

That war wasn't to do with race, that was the propaganda used, they always need an 'official reason' for war which makes them look good. The Banker's don't do war to free slaves, they do war to make slaves

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Just wait until they decide to say that guns are the symbol of black oppression

i'm still trying to sort out what the fuck this means.

[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Just wait until they decide to say that guns are the symbol of black oppression

how thick is your tinfoil hat? 3 to 4 inches thick? it's too tight dood!

[xXXtesy10]

it will do nothing,,

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

That war wasn't to do with race, that was the propaganda used, they always need an 'official reason' for war which makes them look good. The Banker's don't do war to free slaves, they do war to make slaves

[wehateporn]

Lincoln "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so."

Lincoln "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery."

[dyna mo]

of course you need an official fucking reason for war. duh.

jtfc.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by wehateporn

Lincoln "I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so."

Lincoln "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and it is not either to save or destroy slavery."

you are so fucking beyond stupid to portray these statements as you are trying to do here.

[wehateporn]

?It was necessary to put the South at a moral disadvantage by transforming the contest from a war waged against states fighting for their indepdence into a war waged against states fighting for the maintenance and extension of slavery?and the world, it might be hoped, would see it as a moral war, not a political; and the sympathy of nations would begin to run for the North, not for the South.?
Woodrow Wilson, ?A History of The American People?, page 231

?The Northern onslaught upon slavery was no more than a piece of specious humbug designed to conceal its desire for economic control of the Southern states.?
Charles Dickens, 1862

?The Union government liberates the enemy?s slaves as it would the enemy?s cattle, simply to weaken them in the conflict. The principle is not that a human being cannot justly own another, but that he cannot own him unless he is loyal to the United States.?
London Spectator in reference to the Emancipation Proclamation

?It is stated in books and papers that Southern children read and study that all the blood shedding and destruction of property of that conflict was because the South rebelled without cause against the best government the world ever saw; that although Southern soldiers were heroes in the field, skillfully massed and led, they and their leaders were rebels and traitors who fought to overthrow the Union, and to preserve human slavery, and that their defeat was necessary for free government and the welfare of the human family. As a Confederate soldier and as a citizen of Virginia, I deny the charge, and denounce it as a calumny. We were not rebels; we did not fight to perpetuate human slavery, but for our rights and privileges under a government established over us by our fathers and in defense of our homes.?
Colonel Richard Henry Lee, C.S.A.

?As for the South, it is enough to say that perhaps eighty per cent. of her armies were neither slave-holders, nor had the remotest interest in the institution. No other proof, however, is needed than the undeniable fact that at any period of the war from its beginning to near its close the South could have saved slavery by simply laying down its arms and returning to the Union.?
Major General John B. Gordon, from his book, Causes of the Civil War.

?I tried all in my power to avert this war. I saw it coming, for twelve years I worked night and day to prevent it, but I could not. The North was mad and blind; it would not let us govern ourselves, and so the war came, and now it must go on unless you acknowledge our right to self government. We are not fighting for slavery. We are fighting for Independence.?
President Jefferson Davis, CSA

?Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation before it is too late? It means the history of this heroic struggle will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit objects for derision? It is said slavery is all we are fighting for, and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.?
Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you are so fucking beyond stupid to portray these statements as you are trying to do here.

They used slavery to pretend it was a moral war, the same as how terrorism is used today when you go on a resource grab

[dyna mo]

it takes YEARS of concentrated study to comprehend somewhere even close to the reality of that period, Lincoln, the government, and the war.

sound byting Lincoln to proof he was a racist and the civil war was a conspiracy?

gofuckyourself.

[wehateporn]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it takes YEARS of concentrated study to comprehend somewhere even close to the reality of that period, Lincoln, the government, and the war.

sound byting Lincoln to proof he was a racist and the civil war was a conspiracy?

gofuckyourself.

5 Things You May Not Know About Lincoln, Slavery and Emancipation ? History in the Headlines

[Joshua G]

LOL OP uses 100 year old pics to make point.

[Dvae]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

white power!!

You forgot one.

[L-Pink]

[QUOTE=blackmonsters;20509572]."Erased it because I'm a bitch ass coward"


WTF? I post something against the flag and you still attack me?

Fucking cocksucker

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[lock]

Proves history can be changed... all the Nazi party tried to do was unite the rich and the poor and look what happened. People that died for these flags may not stand for what they became.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you should be a high-fiving mother fucker right now.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

it takes YEARS of concentrated study to comprehend somewhere even close to the reality of that period, Lincoln, the government, and the war.

sound byting Lincoln to proof he was a racist and the civil war was a conspiracy?

gofuckyourself.

the guy has laid out some interesting quotes... yet you refuse to understand them for what they are....

I've never believed the civil war was about slavery... I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does....

for instance the big crybaby thing around here for a few days was the NSA spying on phone and emails.... the NSA says terrorism.... you guys all say it's the end of the world the NSA is spying on us.. our rights are being fucked.... blah blah blah... but you believe the civil was about slavery?

aren't you one of the guys that shouts sheepeople about religion? yet your willing to suck down the whole 'narrative' about the civil war being about slavery???

oh well....

[MetaMan]

The civil war WAS NOT about slavery, and you have to be a complete liberal idiot to believe so.

The entire point was about taxes and the north wanting more money. IT IS ALWAYS ABOUT MONEY. They could care less about the blacks.

[EonBlue]

Originally Posted by brassmonkey

white power!!

Black power!!!





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[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the guy has laid out some interesting quotes... yet you refuse to understand them for what they are....

I've never believed the civil war was about slavery... I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does....

for instance the big crybaby thing around here for a few days was the NSA spying on phone and emails.... the NSA says terrorism.... you guys all say it's the end of the world the NSA is spying on us.. our rights are being fucked.... blah blah blah... but you believe the civil was about slavery?

aren't you one of the guys that shouts sheepeople about religion? yet your willing to suck down the whole 'narrative' about the civil war being about slavery???

oh well....

i understand you "believe" the civil war was not about slavery. I understand that i am much more knowledgeable than you on this topic.

[SuckOnThis]

Yea, the The Declaration of Causes that the seceding states wrote never happened and were just liberal lies.

And strangely enough slavery ended when they lost the war.

Fucking retards.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the guy has laid out some interesting quotes... yet you refuse to understand them for what they are....

I've never believed the civil war was about slavery... I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does....

for instance the big crybaby thing around here for a few days was the NSA spying on phone and emails.... the NSA says terrorism.... you guys all say it's the end of the world the NSA is spying on us.. our rights are being fucked.... blah blah blah... but you believe the civil was about slavery?

aren't you one of the guys that shouts sheepeople about religion? yet your willing to suck down the whole 'narrative' about the civil war being about slavery???

oh well....

i'm not refusing to understand jack shit. the guy soundbyted Lincoln in an attempt to portray him as a racist and you spin that into some gotcha opp to tell me

"I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does.... " believe the war was about slavery.

and you add in some sort of bullshit about me falling for the narrative?

gofuckyourself.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the guy has laid out some interesting quotes... yet you refuse to understand them for what they are....

i fully fucking understand them

i also understand they in no way explain the fucking war.


reality:


1. preserving the union was the bottomline for the union government, not slavery, thus Lincoln's comments

2. the secession documents clearly reveal the intent of the South and its goal to continue slavery.

3. Ft. Sumter -the war started here and it was started by the confederates, not the union. the union fought back to preserve the union, not on behalf of the fucking slaves.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

I've never believed the civil war was about slavery... I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does....

Odd coming from someone with no education.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

1. preserving the union was the bottomline for the union government, not slavery, thus Lincoln's comments

2. the secession documents clearly reveal the intent of the South and its goal to continue slavery.

3. Ft. Sumter -the war started here and it was started by the confederates, not the union. the union fought back to preserve the union, not on behalf of the fucking slaves.

These are all verifiable facts. Only uneducated idiots argue against them.

[dyna mo]

Originally Posted by Grapesoda

the guy has laid out some interesting quotes... yet you refuse to understand them for what they are....

I've never believed the civil war was about slavery... I don't think any adult with an education and a few years of life experience does....

for instance the big crybaby thing around here for a few days was the NSA spying on phone and emails.... the NSA says terrorism.... you guys all say it's the end of the world the NSA is spying on us.. our rights are being fucked.... blah blah blah... but you believe the civil was about slavery?

aren't you one of the guys that shouts sheepeople about religion? yet your willing to suck down the whole 'narrative' about the civil war being about slavery???

oh well....

think about how fucking stupid this is.

the South announces plans to secede and fires the first shots to start the war, so you think the North defends itself and the union on account of black slaves?

that's entirely illogical. and you claim i'm falling for some bullshit? jtfc.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

Yea, the The Declaration of Causes that the seceding states wrote never happened and were just liberal lies.

And strangely enough slavery ended when they lost the war.

Fucking retards.

Agreed you're a fucking retard.

[The Porn Nerd]

Yes but what about Lynyrd Skynyrd?

Freebird!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Agreed you're a fucking retard.

And you're a Canadian with zero comprehension of American history and an unhealthy obsession to mario. Which pretty much makes you a fucking retard.

[MetaMan]

Originally Posted by SuckOnThis

And you're a Canadian with zero comprehension of American history and an unhealthy obsession to mario. Which pretty much makes you a fucking retard.

Look stupid i don't have a need to explain things to idiots (you) who choose to walk through life with blinders on.

If you really think a group of rich and powerful whites would go to war just to save poor old jimbo blacky you need to have your brain examined.

Every massive occurance needs some do gooder excuse or false cover to herd the population of sheep (you) into believing the goal.

[SuckOnThis]

Originally Posted by MetaMan

Look stupid i don't have a need to explain things to idiots (you) who choose to walk through life with blinders on.

If you really think a group of rich and powerful whites would go to war just to save poor old jimbo blacky you need to have your brain examined.

Every massive occurance needs some do gooder excuse or false cover to herd the population of sheep (you) into believing the goal.

And who wrote these?

The Declaration of Causes of Seceding States

Aliens?

Stick to what you know, which from what I can tell is coming up with fantasies about picking up girls at the mall in your Guess jeans.

[Bladewire]

Originally Posted by dyna mo

you are denying the fact that Americans are making a fundamental change in the discourse here. it's no longer socially/culturally/historically/wtfeverly acceptable to display that flag.

that spree shooter [thought] he was going to start a race war, what is happening instead is the exact opposite. i'm not seeing why you are not seeing that and appreciating what is happening.

People who feel empowered and energized by dividing people don't find appreciation or joy in events that unite people.

[dyna mo]

while google is NOT the go to for learning about the Civil War, let's still examine the top results from a google search for

"causes of the civil war"
https://www.google.com/search?q=%22c...e+Civil+War%22

the blurb Google shows for this is::

While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."





next, let's examine the top 3 links google shows for that search term

the first is
Causes Of The Civil War

from there:
"The burning issue that led to the disruption of the union, however, was the debate over the future of slavery. That dispute led to secession, and secession brought about a war in which the Northern and Western states and territories fought to preserve the Union, and the South fought to establish Southern independence as a new confederation of states under its own constitution."




the next link Top Five Causes of the Civil War - American History

"1. Economic and social differences between the North and the South.

With Eli Whitney's invention of the cotton gin in 1793, cotton became very profitable. This machine was able to reduce the time it took to separate seeds from the cotton. However, at the same time the increase in the number of plantations willing to move from other crops to cotton meant the greater need for a large amount of cheap labor, i.e. slaves. Thus, the southern economy became a one crop economy, depending on cotton and therefore on slavery."




the 3rd link result from the search term "causes of the civil war" is Causes Of The Civil War | History Detectives | PBS

from there the #1 cause of the Civil War:

"What led to the outbreak of the bloodiest conflict in the history of North America? A common explanation is that the Civil War was fought over the moral issue of slavery. In fact, it was the economics of slavery and political control of that system that was central to the conflict."


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