Evil Chris: Thanks, good luck to you too!

I know a lot of people confuse me and hgmof, but just for your fyi, I didn't indulge in any name calling...

A touch of sarcasm and a wry metaphor here and there, some sly and knowing innuendo perhaps, but name calling? Not me. I gave that up when I quit speaking "playa-ese".

This little piss reminds me a lot of the good old days of web promo... but I agree with you that it is a waste of time these days.

May you always land on your feet with your head in the clouds!

:glugglug

Hey Live cam if you are in Montreal give me a call sometime.
1-514-841-2650 I am located on St. Denis and Masioneuve !
Berri UQAM Metro

I just wanted to say working with Wild Rose/ Carol Cox was a great experience for me and it was really like working with a close family. WRP helped me out a lot by gaining experience and giving me exposure to people in the Industry that I may never of met on my own.

I loved working with WRP !

Just because they do not post on GFY doesn't not mean they are still not a huge company and good business to work with.

If you are not seeing good results Live Cam with Iadvert try getting in touch with someone over there and see what can be done ! Which sites are you sending to and where is your traffic coming from ?

and if anyone is looking for me and asking where I am ...... I am working on my own program called ..........Join Right Now

Dugmor: R-E-S-P-E-C-T

You give it. You get it. And that is why you are blessed in this wonderful world.

May you know 10,000 years of happiness before all your dreams come true.

hey dugmor !

:thumbsup

next time i drive my pathfinder to montreal, iam calling you !
And let's smoke a big one and talking about money !
:1orglaugh

(ostie que je parle mal l'anglais)

Mon trafic venait de nom de domaine expiré, de pay per click..

Mais la , apres mavoir faites fourré, je recommence . on est entrain de finir un ultra tgp nouveau genre, on est dans les avs, pis un site de webcam , qui va défoncé tout le monde, si un jour on peu le finir !

Quand j'aurrai plus d'Argent, je recommence les nom de domaines expiré

I wish you can read my french ! if not ! so i will post again in english !

[email protected]

it's will be a pleasure to meet you !
:thumbsup

Dugmor doesn't read french dude... i'll translate it for him next time at the studio

so, i dont need to translate it ? right now ?

sure ?

i can if the need is .. but if you tell me ..
:)

Ok !

Thank you very much easton !

:thumbsup

by the way , we should go to the karting 500 circuit !

:winkwink:

Very well said Dugmoor!

Evil Chris couldn't have said it better himself.

Sorry Live Cam I don't speak French ( I understand more than I lead people to believe )

For sure we will go Karting........ I won the hahahahahahaha racing event in Montreal !

What's going on Rasta Farley ?

Good to see you posting over here on GFY !

Instead of 10,000 years of happiness ( I may not live that long ) .... Can you get my video's on Playboy TV or Spice Channel ?

50! Yeah! I just came! :BangBang:

I'm sorry Far-L and Homegrownmof ... but I need to reply to this.

Either of you have any clue as to inner workings of WRP at the time of iadverts start. You have no clue what was going on and do not have a right to post or slander anyone. You were not associated with WRP at that time. I however was the project manager for the company at that time and will tell you that things are not what they seem.

Evil did not slander the company, he simply stated that financially, he could not get things done because of internal issues.

You want to pretend that you know the deal because of what one person sais to you? Why not ask people that were directly involved and you might learn a few things.

I certainly have enough information that could back up what Evil Chris has stated. Go ahead and ask me.

Chris, they are not interested in the truth of the matter.

If you want to play ball with them, start spouting about what other people have told you about them. It's probably true if someone told you! Call them names too!

:1orglaugh

You mean that not everything I hear is true?? No Way!! You mean their might be another perspective and angle to things... shit.. man, now I'm confused Chris. And here I thought that everything I heard was true. Fuck, time to go back to the drawing table.

Bite the hand that feeds you :

Meaning: to act in an ungrateful manner towards someone who has been kind or helpful to you



shame.....

The hand exists because of certain peoples actions. Know the truth before speaking aloud.

Things are not always what they seem to be. Trust me on this one.

Good and Evil Chris: Where do I start? I have heard both sides of the story. You guys are welcome to divulge any pearls of wisdom about what, where, when, how and why if you think you have something to add.

I am happy to weigh each opinion the same. Everyone is right. Nobody is wrong. That is the beauty of opinions.

But the facts which are not open to interpretation are really all that I am interested in. Neither of you guys work there anymore. Neither of you has generated the success and respect that wrp has in this industry.

Just a hunch, but I bet neither of you has helped as many people as WRP has helped either.

I know for a fact that EC dropped the ball and did not follow the directives of his employer to figure out a deal with us. I know for a fact that he dismissed the notion because he thought we had nothing to offer. It is a fact that everything that we had to offer was exactly what wrp wanted to do with us. I know for a fact that was a grand mistake and miscalculation by EC.

My opinion is that was due to arrogance.

Now you guys are welcome to spin this any way that you can to try and save face, but a simple truth remains: Neither of you is the success that you pretend to be on the boards. The moment you both stop pretending to be so successful and showing off for the folks that don't know any better and actually start working as hard as your former employer and the employees that make a difference at all the successful internet sites then you can tell me to shut up and keep my opinions to myself.

Let's just say I am not going to hold my breath.

What happens next? Do we indulge this further to see who can make the last post? How about one more witty rebuttal and spin control from the both of you and we call it off there? Feel free to call me names, criticize our success, malign our friends and partners. I am not too worried that anyone who actually knows the difference between real success and quasi success will be inspired by your diatribes.

Good Chris, btw, I would like a vodka tonic, rocks, with a twist of lemon when you have a chance. If you hustle then you can count on a fat tip.


:glugglug :thumbsup :winkwink:

Dugmor: I would be happy to help but you would have to show me stuff that fits the niche a bit better... fish hooking is not going to go over big in that market as I am sure you already know... but the world is definitely ready for the sensual and tender lovemaking side of Dugmor! (or is it...?!)

In any event, for you the door is always open and I am happy to discuss biz and do biz with you anytime.

Far-l:

Once again, how is it that WRP got put on the map? Was it their exisiting staffs hard work and efforts that put them there? I'm a little curious as to how this all happened. I kind of see things a little differently then you apparently. But then again, I'm just a nobody now and probably couldn't even mix a drink properly if asked.

Give Fish-Hooking some time and I am sure there will be a bigger demand for it. Fish-Hooking is like what anal was back in the 80's ! Now everyone does anal and it is not really a big deal !

Are you coming to the CyberNet Expo in Montreal this coming June ?

Maybe HomeGrown want to sponsor my Webmaster Tour.

interesting reading

Good Chris: At one point the video distribution part of our company was over 30 employees. Everyone getting paid and good times for all. Then one of our major distributors went out of biz and suddenly we didn't have coming in what had been there before. Things got a bit tight.

We started looking around at who was really part of the bottom line and who was not. We trimmed the fluff and the fat. Many of those who were laid off or fired were pissed at us. Did we not understand that they had put us where we were?

Sure, we understood, but resting on former laurels is not a way to run a business. Where we were yesterday is not where we were in the present. We looked at who really made a difference and pared our staff down to less than half of what it was. Those people who stayed have been there for five or more years. We run a very lean and efficient operation now.

Now you may not agree with management's decision to have let you go. You may feel you deserve more. However, you don't get the privilege of those decisions until you start cutting the paychecks, plain and simple.

You are a decent chap, and I apologize if I offended you in the heat of letting Good Chris know how arrogant he is.

Drink beer, friend. It is a no brainer. :thumbsup

hehehe !

I didnt think this subject will be like this !!

:thumbsup


Iadvert for ever !

:1orglaugh

I thought I could let this thread slide, But alas i feel the need to speak...

As Both chris's mentioned (and dugmor) WRP was a great place to work and learn. I'm sure we all benefited from this experience. I know I have and have prospered since. I would like to thank Danny And Carol for all the help they had extended to me during my period there.

But FarL you and your brother really jumped the gun on EC. He wasn't disrespectful in anyway on his first thread. He just stated the obvious for Livecam. Call the company and speak to someone there. Others on this thread invited EC to enter this thread in response to the poster. Knowing that WRP doesn't hang here ... IMHO Evil Chris was very polite and respectful by redirecting the poster in the right direction .. there was really no need for name calling by Moffat , or the slander that you thru into the conversation.

I don't want to piss you off or anybody else .. I just felt that the actions here were a little harsh towards Evil Chris.

Vidvicious: You are entitled to your opinion. I do agree that hgmof's language was inappropriate, but I disagree that evil chris's original post was anything but a swipe at his former employers, albeit indirect in a kind of snide way. I know others felt similarly. That is not to say i am right or you are wrong, quite simply that is a matter of interpretation when regarding what EC posted.

If it was an over-reaction on our part to take offense to it, then so be it but that does not change the fact that I still think EC could've been complimentary and supportive. He was not. He said that people had not been paid which was based on a speculation. If you think that is complimentary, then you and I disagree.

On the other hand, your post and Dugmor's leave no doubt that you are respectful for the experience that you had with WRP.

I think my criticism is well founded and drawn from my experience. Please indicate where you believe I have indulged any slander because that is a serious accusation that I find inappropriate.

You are welcome to a difference of opinion but you cannot tell me that I am wrong to have the feelings that I do about this situation. I mostly respect your points even though I do disagree with what you are saying and I am offended by you describing my critique as slanderous. Sarcastic yes, slanderous not.

I'm sorry but enough with the ass kissing! First Dumor! then you...I'm sorry I love you guys, but stop trying to look happy and thankful! Is this really how you feel??? I think not.

Ok, by gones... it's water under the bridge, and I'm sure that everyone involved are much happier now!

psst- the term is libel, not slander

Sorry... I meant Evil Chris in that last comment not Good Chris... and I apologize for not being able to edit the correction to the post since i missed the deadline for changing it.

Libel refers to erroneous comments made in print and slander refers to similar comments made in speech...

Still... I am guilty of neither...

(smartly pants... :winkwink: )

I thought I was the only one that was "let go" :)

Everyone else quit the day before they were going to get fired to save face. They were going to get a check from Danny to leave plus they could collect UI, ......I guess you can't put a price on pride !

Shit, see what happens, you go out for dinner and you miss all of the good stuff.

Far-L: I would simply like to state that I was not laid off or let go. I chose to leave as I felt it made sense given my position at that time. I have held good relations with Danny and Carol since and will remain to do so. I do NOT agree with many of the managerial decisions that were made at the time, and I was management at that time. I had to leave, and I did it on my own accord.

Your company, I will never say a bad word about. I have watched Homegrown video since the 80's and your taking over of the company was a brilliant move. Your move to tie in with Ron and CE was also a brilliant move. I have not insulted, and I will not insult your company, I think you've done a great job with it.

As far as WRP goes, as I said, there is more than meets the eye and Evil Chris is not far off base. He is one of the people that was responsible for creating the company and does not deserve to be trashed in the manner that he has been. There are many sides to a story as there are many sides to a cube. Each side is relevant and deserves equal attention.

If you want another perspective on things, feel free to email me or call me. I don't know if its even worth while but there are definitely things that Evil Chris stated that are more than true that he is being slandered for. I for one can back up anything he has stated and not only that, I can offer a different perspective that may clear things up.

Things are not always what they seem. I'm sure you know that.

" but there are definitely things that Evil Chris stated that are more than true that he is being slandered for"

Good Chris: I have not slandered Evil Chris, merely stated my opinion based on his original post and my own personal dealings with him that he is arrogant. Criticism is not the same as slander, nor is it libelous.

His original post was put in a way that invoked criticism. He refuses to see the possibility of that so he is incapable of apologizing for making it. Chalk that up to his arrogance. Funny thing, but people who refuse to see their own errors have no problem finding fault in others.

Do you think my brother would have had the same response to a helpful and grateful response like Dugmor's?

At this time, like I said before, I am sure there are many sides to this. Those sides are called opinions and none of them are any more or less credible to me. You are all right as far as I am concerned, including Evil Chris.

However, his original post was still inappropriate in my opinion. Nothing you, Vid, or EC say will change that. I am certainly not asking that he apologize to me even though he did indulge in some spiteful rebukes of me and my company. I just think he owes WRP a public apology.

Why do I feel so strongly about this? Well, our track record for loyalty and dedication to our partners is something that speaks for itself. In that vein, I thank you for your compliments of our achievments.

Now, if all the ex-wrp employees came together and formed a company that was more successful than WRP, then I might stand up and pay serious attention to all the spin about who made who what they are today. Excuse me if that sounds harsh, but the bottom line is something that stands apart from opinions.

But couldn't she be your mother? Why would you go and fuck such an old women?:(

What kind of french is that! Raven is half French and yet he didn't understand a single word you wrote.

Quoth,
C'est du bon Quebequois ;-)

Vous les Quebecois, vous avez completement detruit la langue de vos ancetres.

Carol is a great person and a legend too... it was an honour! :)

bein non... pas p'entoute... ROTF :1orglaugh

C'est pas tres gentil....:warning