So why does God....

[NETbilling]

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Just curious

Thanks, Mitch

[loreen]

Oh, you can find lots of explanations like:
- he doesn't control people so they are still allowed to do what they want
- good people are called sooner to Heaven
- bad people have to pay
- if you are good, it doesn't matter as long as your parents were sinners

etc etc
The church will find an explanation for anything, no matter how ridiculous.

[nico-t]

ask Donny

[j3rkules]

I would like to see religion disappear naturally, as people change their minds and abandon it by their own reckoning. However, it absolutely is not right to impose it upon them forcefully. That shit is fucking horrible, and the work of dictators.

[j3rkules]

Originally Posted by loreen

Oh, you can find lots of explanations like:
- he doesn't control people so they are still allowed to do what they want
- good people are called sooner to Heaven
- bad people have to pay
- if you are good, it doesn't matter as long as your parents were sinners

etc etc
The church will find an explanation for anything, no matter how ridiculous.

Want to eliminate religion? Education is the only way forward. Not just education in sciences for example, but education in a multitude of religions as well. People can generally only be confronted by so much hypocrisy, immorality, and claims which are directly contradicted by established science before they start to recognize that pretty much all religions are full of shit in one way or another. Some far more than others.

[aka123]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Just curious

Thanks, Mitch

Why does god allow you to do anything? You know, fucking yourself is a sin and you get hair on your palms. Shouldn't there be some preventative measure? This is much greater issue than some mass murders.

[CurrentlySober]

On the topic of hypocrisy, I always remember a Jehovah's Witness proudly telling me that there was not one single case of a witness committing pedophilia, EVER, anywhere in the world...

I challenged this bold claim, and the explanation was as follows:

"The second a witness so much as even thinks about doing that, he is no longer a witness- So the entire religion is pedo free'

[aka123]

Originally Posted by celebsnudehd

Want to eliminate religion? Education is the only way forward. Not just education in sciences for example, but education in a multitude of religions as well. People can generally only be confronted by so much hypocrisy, immorality, and claims which are directly contradicted by established science before they start to recognize that pretty much all religions are full of shit in one way or another. Some far more than others.

People are genetically religious; there is no way out of it other than evolution, I mean completely out if it, not just switching focus. And I am not sure is it even possible, as it relates to having imagination and so on, that is one of the most important aspects what makes us successful.

[MiamiBoyz]

Who says that God is good and wants nothing but rainbows and unicorns? He appears to be an evil prick actually and must enjoy pain, suffering and death.

Everything alive must kill something to exist. Imagine the pain the little baby rabbit feels when a fox discovers him cowering in the brush and tears it apart alive to consume.

Then there are the endless "acts of god" such as earthquakes, tornadoes, and flooding that kill "innocent" children all around the world.

Why would he create disease organisms like small pox or flu to cause more suffering and death - usually to young children?

How about being created in god's image and on to have genetic deformities or being predisposed to cancer later in life? God doesn't sound so perfect UNLESS by design he enjoys watching his toys suffer and die a prolonged painful death...

No the evidence is clear.

If you are truly convinced that here is a god then he is a sadistic cunt who actually hates you.

[Mutt]

read the Book of Job, its' message is God doesn't owe you an explanation, you're a peon and can't possibly understand God's ways. You have one job, to worship God and obey the laws he gave to Moses. So when tragedy strikes don't go begging for God's help, if he intercedes great, if he doesn't, there's a reason but it's not for you to know.

The Old Testament is a very depressing book. It's no wonder the ancient Jews kept writing more books that were more hopeful and then finally latched onto Jesus Christ as the Messiah, a version of God who is much more loving and understanding than the God of the OT.

[Grapesoda]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Just curious

Thanks, Mitch

I used to ask that question myself.... here is the answer... man has 'free will'

[TeenCat]

he is busy sinking those refugees from syria

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Because he loves it. You know there is a special sort of people who loves to torture and kill. All Abrahamic religions are about it.

[LetterTwenty7]

There's no point discussing religion.
Because there's no God :D
I like to look at God as something inside of each of us - something like inner peace. I don't know, just read Eckhart Tolle :D

[LetterTwenty7]

There's no point discussing religion.
Because there's no God :D
I like to look at God as something inside of each of us - something like inner peace. I don't know, just read Eckhart Tolle :D

[Va2k]

Religion is nothing but a joke. My god is better then your god. Do I think there is a god? Yes but not the type of god everyone else thinks there is. I hope there is a higher being, and we move on in our next life. Kind of sucks thinking this is it. Once you die you will never again see earth, be a part of earth etc.

Who knows. But religion is all about money power and fear.

[Va2k]

Religion is nothing but a joke. My god is better then your god. Do I think there is a god? Yes but not the type of god everyone else thinks there is. I hope there is a higher being, and we move on in our next life. Kind of sucks thinking this is it. Once you die you will never again see earth, be a part of earth etc.

Who knows. But religion is all about money power and fear.

[davidclickpapa]

i am an atheist. or agnostic at best. to put it short: i dismiss the idea of a deity or pre-written fate.

but i firmly think that there Was a period of time for humankind when religion was necessary. when humanity was still in its cradle, morality was also in its early steps. right now in 2015 we are pretty much aware of things like "if i kill an other man, it is not good for him". but back then it wasn't the case. ancients Had to be frightened with unforeseen consequences if they commit a crime, but now we know better. my 2 cents: our world is ready to leave religion behind, just like you don't carry the raft on your back after you got off from it at the riverbank.

[dyna mo]

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[JFK]

Originally Posted by LetterTwenty7

There's no point discussing religion.
Because there's no God :D
I like to look at God as something inside of each of us - something like inner peace. I don't know, just read Eckhart Tolle :D

[CaptainHowdy]

The christian God?? His own son up in the cross so you go and figure out the rest ...

[Barry-xlovecam]

''the Lord works in mysterious ways''

[CPA-Rush]

you all are a bunch of atheists hehehe

https://whisper.sh/whisper/05158f312...-gave-us-our-o

[Tom_PM]

I'd rather ask how come you can kneel in the dark, talk to someone behind a mesh screen, and be magically absolved of sin as if you were a newborn baby.

I've sinned!

Say hail mary's.

Woot!

[blackmonsters]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Just curious

Thanks, Mitch

Because God hates racism and wanted us to discuss that instead of him.

[romeo22]

There is no reasonable explanation..thats the present and there are good and bad ppl

[PR_Glen]

i'm pretty sure its just over pretentious atheists who claim God is some form of super hero who comes in and rescues people from evil. I've never heard a religious person say they are safe from any harm because of their faith.

let people believe what they want. I guarantee none of us have it all figured out more than they have.

[NETbilling]

I agree with many of these comments but I wish a believer would jump in

[2MuchMark]

Surprising amount of truth in this thread. Nice to see.

There is no God. Some people are fucked up.

[newB]

The question you pose is a common one, and I will attempt to answer it as best I can, as it was explained to me.

Just a bit of explanation: Jehovah's witnesses used to show up at my house regularly and we would discuss the bible. Say what you will about them, the ones that came to my house knew their bible and could back up their positions. Anyway, this was one of the topics we discussed. I don't know the bible nearly as well, so unfortunately I don't recall the scriptures that support it.

But, the gist was that the devil (they absolutely believe in a devil who tempted Adam and Eve in the garden and appeared to Christ in the desert) claimed that we didn't need God. We could run things down here just as well, if not better, on our own without him. This was essentially the lie that he used to tempt Eve and in turn Adam. God saw this as the lie it was, but the damage was done. The best solution was to let it play out and ultimately be revealed as a lie. So, essentially the devil is currently running the show down here, and God is allowing his evil and suffering to flourish until such time as we know, without equivocation, that His plan was the right one all along.

Anyway, that's how I remember it.

[NETbilling]

Originally Posted by **********

Surprising amount of truth in this thread. Nice to see.

There is no God. Some people are fucked up.

Well I don't know if there is good or not but if there is, he is doing a really bad job and should be fired.

Mitch

[blackmonsters]

I no longer believe the FDA exist.
Isn't the FDA supposed to protect us from dying while eating at Twin Peaks?


.

[Jel]

Originally Posted by davidclickpapa

i am an atheist. or agnostic at best. to put it short: i dismiss the idea of a deity or pre-written fate.

but i firmly think that there Was a period of time for humankind when religion was necessary. when humanity was still in its cradle, morality was also in its early steps. right now in 2015 we are pretty much aware of things like "if i kill an other man, it is not good for him". but back then it wasn't the case. ancients Had to be frightened with unforeseen consequences if they commit a crime, but now we know better. my 2 cents: our world is ready to leave religion behind, just like you don't carry the raft on your back after you got off from it at the riverbank.

Originally Posted by PR_Glen

i'm pretty sure its just over pretentious atheists who claim God is some form of super hero who comes in and rescues people from evil. I've never heard a religious person say they are safe from any harm because of their faith.

let people believe what they want. I guarantee none of us have it all figured out more than they have.

[RebelR]

My favourite movie explanation

[blackmonsters]

I'm using pro god statements to be the devils advocate.

[brassmonkey]

fuk god my 9's are jeezus my choppa iz God!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by NETbilling

For those who are religious; why does your God allow tragedys such as the mass murder at a church in SC happen?

Just curious

Thanks, Mitch

I just have one question; where, in any religion's doctrine does it suggest that God controls everything that you do and everything that happens in the galaxy?

Followup question: Ever hear of "free will"?

[CDSmith]

By golly you're right. What God should do next time is reach a giant foot down from the sky and fucking squash the murderer before he kills anyone, and then clean the shmoosh off by scraping it on the edge of the Hoover Dam. Would that make you feel better? I know it'd make me feel better.

But wait, if the guy didn't murder anyone yet how can you want him killed for... oh nevermind, let God sort 'em out.

Hey while we're on the subject...

Why does God allow wars?
Why does he allow babies to be stillborn?
Why " " " fatal crashes?
Why " " " deaths by lightning strike?
Death by suffocation during erotic asphyxiation?
Stubbed toes? (I hate those)
Burst appendix?
Sucking chest wound?
Computer crashes resulting in irretrievable data loss? (God I hate this too)
Why
Why
WHY?


"Allow". I swear, for an ideal that so many swear with 100% conviction doesn't exist he gets blamed for more 'stuff' than anyone else on Earth (even Bill Gates) by a factor of several million, by both believers and non-believers alike. Here's a question for you... why is that?

[Jel]

Originally Posted by CDSmith

"Allow". I swear, for an ideal that so many swear with 100% conviction doesn't exist he gets blamed for more 'stuff' than anyone else on Earth (even Bill Gates) by a factor of several million, by both believers and non-believers alike. Here's a question for you... why is that?

lol, so true.

Here's what I observe in general:

some shit happens to religious people, and it's like a race to say 'where is your god now', like a game, scoring points, gotchas, etc etc

now, the religious are quick to post shit like 'if only god were taught more in school we wouldn't be in this mess blah blah blah', but isn't that their fucked up outlook? why anyone non-religious would lower themselves to cheap gotchas each time there is a tragedy is beyond me... a big gloat mixed in with a smidgen of 'told you so' topped off with a smug 'answer me THAT!' (often at odds with what the religious actually believe).

If us non-religious folk are meant to be so superior, why do we do that? Isn't that just awful human behaviour? Using something bad to score a point? Surely we can leave that to politicians and lawyers

Just to reiterate: that's what I've noticed in general - no slight at you Mitch, just the right topic to post those thoughts in

[clickity click]

Originally Posted by newB

The question you pose is a common one, and I will attempt to answer it as best I can, as it was explained to me.

Just a bit of explanation: Jehovah's witnesses used to show up at my house regularly and we would discuss the bible. Say what you will about them, the ones that came to my house knew their bible and could back up their positions. Anyway, this was one of the topics we discussed. I don't know the bible nearly as well, so unfortunately I don't recall the scriptures that support it.

But, the gist was that the devil (they absolutely believe in a devil who tempted Adam and Eve in the garden and appeared to Christ in the desert) claimed that we didn't need God. We could run things down here just as well, if not better, on our own without him. This was essentially the lie that he used to tempt Eve and in turn Adam. God saw this as the lie it was, but the damage was done. The best solution was to let it play out and ultimately be revealed as a lie. So, essentially the devil is currently running the show down here, and God is allowing his evil and suffering to flourish until such time as we know, without equivocation, that His plan was the right one all along.

Anyway, that's how I remember it.

Yeah and until Adam and Eve were tempted everything on Earth was rosy. Hell, even the lions were plant eaters.
Unfortunately, they fucked things up for us all by listening to the devil and now we are all killing each other.

[DAMNMAN]

I'm sure the religious will find a way to justify it to them selves. Won't make sense to the rest of us, but it never does!!!!!

[Penny24Seven]

Originally Posted by Mutt

read the Book of Job, its' message is God doesn't owe you an explanation, you're a peon and can't possibly understand God's ways. You have one job, to worship God and obey the laws he gave to Moses. So when tragedy strikes don't go begging for God's help, if he intercedes great, if he doesn't, there's a reason but it's not for you to know.

The Old Testament is a very depressing book. It's no wonder the ancient Jews kept writing more books that were more hopeful and then finally latched onto Jesus Christ as the Messiah, a version of God who is much more loving and understanding than the God of the OT.

So you believe in God right? The bible and all that stuff in it really went down if not like how it says in the book but pretty close to it right?

[xKingx]

[Mutt]

Originally Posted by Brian837

So you believe in God right? The bible and all that stuff in it really went down if not like how it says in the book but pretty close to it right?

yes of course, i also believe I can fly, or pretty close to flying.

[Spunky]

I believe what I want.Jesus is lord. Halleleauh.amen!

[baddog]

Originally Posted by Mutt

read the Book of Job, its' message is God doesn't owe you an explanation, you're a peon and can't possibly understand God's ways. You have one job, to worship God and obey the laws he gave to Moses.

Yeah, and what a demanding God He was. Don't kill; don't lie, don't steal, don't fuck your buddy's wife, honor your parents. Tough rules to live by, I am sure.

[MFCT]

Death is final to us. Death isn't final to God. God can make any and all those victims alive again, easier than we can turn on a light switch.

God doesn't hate anyone.

The shooter's actions will be a testament against him in the afterlife. Hell was made for people who do that kinda shit.

If the shooter had just taken a moment to contemplate what the predominant race of the prison he'll be sent to probably is, he probably wouldn't have done it. But then, stupid fucks like him don't do much thinking in the first place. I'm confident justice will ultimately be served, and I'm confident it will something he will wish he had not bestowed upon himself. May the rest of his life be hell, and may he rot in hell in the afterlife.