F4F Affiliate(ex Videosecrets) strange policy

[livesexoncams]

I was surprised to see that Flift4Free has such a policy that if no new spender is referred for the last couple of months, they switch your account to "dormant". That means that they will give you only 5% from all the purchases made by old members, instead of the regular rate of 20-30%. In my case, almost 200 USD worth of sales in the last month generated only ...9 bucks as affiliate payment. Does this sound normal?

[Mr.Fiction]

Not sure if it's normal, but there are other cam programs with policies that punish recurring affiliates if they don't continue sending new signups or new sales.

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by Mr.Fiction

Not sure if it's normal, but there are other cam programs with policies that punish recurring affiliates if they don't continue sending new signups or new sales.

I work with several cam sponsors and none of them has such policy.

[Kelli58]

I guess it's one of those things that if you don't agree with their policy, just don't use them.

I get why they do it ... they are trying to encourage you to stay active, but I don't really agree that is the way to go about doing it. But that's just me :P

[adultforum]

You acknowledge and agree that the Company's referral tracking methods cannot guarantee that all persons directed to the Company's website(s) by You that purchase a membership or other products or services subject to the Company's Affiliate Program will, in fact, be credited to Your account.
****** this means they agree they "shave"? Or anything else?

[Vendzilla]

They have had that in place for several years. All you need is one new sale every 6 months I think to stay active

[money biz]

Originally Posted by livesexoncams

I was surprised to see that Flift4Free has such a policy that if no new spender is referred for the last couple of months, they switch your account to "dormant". That means that they will give you only 5% from all the purchases made by old members, instead of the regular rate of 20-30%. In my case, almost 200 USD worth of sales in the last month generated only ...9 bucks as affiliate payment. Does this sound normal?

I ditched them along time ago because of this. Cam companies will do anything to steal your members. There is no such thing as whitelabels or revshare anymore.

[vending_machine]

Originally Posted by money biz

I ditched them along time ago because of this. Cam companies will do anything to steal your members. There is no such thing as whitelabels or revshare anymore.

Actually, Streamate/Cambuilder is true lifetime revshare.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by Kelli58

I get why they do it ... they are trying to encourage you to stay active.

That's exactly what it is - they want people to keep pushing traffic.

[bns666]

wcw ftw

[money biz]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's exactly what it is - they want people to keep pushing traffic.

It takes 4-6 months to even see a roi with cams seems like a perfect time to drop a webmaster down to 5% lol.

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by Rochard

That's exactly what it is - they want people to keep pushing traffic.

But if i decide to stop promoting them, does this mean that I have to donate my future recurring earnings to them? It's my work thought and I don't understand they should seize the funds.

[VS_Jeff]

Hey guys, this is true and part of our T&C. There are pros and cons to every cam company's affiliate program and I encourage you to digest each before working with them. Some give you a higher payout, but don't convert well, some limit the amount of WLs you run with them, some don't even have WLs. We try to offer as much as possible with good, custom PPS/PPL offers, large revshare payouts, limitless WLs that actually rank in search engines, and top tier support for both performers and affiliates.

With us, you might make more money than others, but if you stop promoting us over a long enough period of time, you run the risk of your account going dormant one day. I get that it sucks, but that's one of the ways that we encourage long-terms relationships with our affiliates and make sure that our program is the best ever.

I can tell you that this has been the case for years and has not affected very many affiliates. For the good affiliates that are affected by this, we have great Affiliate Managers (Kevin and Kimi) that have been able to work with them. The ones that this mainly affects are affiliates that go out of business or die. I know it sounds crazy, but our program has been around for 17+ years and there have been affiliates that pass away.

If you have any issues with us or with our program, call us. We're based in Los Angeles, we're really nice people, and we've helped thousands of affiliate over the years make a lot of money. 818 880 9021 xt 5

[ctggls]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Hey guys, this is true and part of our T&C. There are pros and cons to every cam company's affiliate program and I encourage you to digest each before working with them. Some give you a higher payout, but don't convert well, some limit the amount of WLs you run with them, some don't even have WLs. We try to offer as much as possible with good, custom PPS/PPL offers, large revshare payouts, limitless WLs that actually rank in search engines, and top tier support for both performers and affiliates.

I don't see how WLs could rank in search engines when all of them have rel to flirt4free...

[ManPuppy]

I dropped them about three years ago. Totally forgot about them. Then, last November or so, I got a surprise payout.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by ctggls

I don't see how WLs could rank in search engines when all of them have rel to flirt4free...

Not necessarily. Contact your affiliate rep and ask about it.

As to the topic at hand, I can see both sides of the issue and can see where both points of view are valid. In the end, everyone has to make the choice that they feel best for them. For my part, I don't think it's a real big deal to generate 1 new spender every couple of months. Heck, I'd even argue that's a pretty generous timeframe to let someone have a Whitelabel, on F4F's dime, with the only condition being to send a single new spender every couple of months.

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by robwod

Not necessarily. Contact your affiliate rep and ask about it.

Heck, I'd even argue that's a pretty generous timeframe to let someone have a Whitelabel, on F4F's dime, with the only condition being to send a single new spender every couple of months.

It's not about whitelabels. The rule apply to affiliates without WLs as well.

[robwod]

Originally Posted by livesexoncams

It's not about whitelabels. The rule apply to affiliates without WLs as well.

Oh, ok... I thought it was a WL rule.

Still, I see both sides of the fence here (I've worked on both sides of the affiliate aisle so I kind of see where both sides are coming from). For me, I can't foresee there being a point where I would not promote VS, so sending the minimum 1 new spender is not something that comes into play with me.

I HAVE, however, promoted paysites before where payout percentages were dropped if you stopped promoting them. I've seen several ccbill programs over the years change recurring percentages -- or even changing recurring to 0 and making it initial sale only -- without even telling anyone. That always irked me too.

If not mistaken, AFF has have a clause, or had a clause, that came into play where you stopped promoting them. I could be wrong though. I think I remember reading a thread about that here a few years ago.

In any case, I say go with your gut to promote the sponsor that is right for you. There's no shortage of cam sites to choose from. Good luck!

[faxxaff]

I buy a membership myself every couple of months to test how affiliate tracking works. In such a case it would have the positive side effect of increasing recurring revenue. Nice.

[EddyTheDog]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

Hey guys, this is true and part of our T&C. There are pros and cons to every cam company's affiliate program and I encourage you to digest each before working with them. Some give you a higher payout, but don't convert well, some limit the amount of WLs you run with them, some don't even have WLs. We try to offer as much as possible with good, custom PPS/PPL offers, large revshare payouts, limitless WLs that actually rank in search engines, and top tier support for both performers and affiliates.

With us, you might make more money than others, but if you stop promoting us over a long enough period of time, you run the risk of your account going dormant one day. I get that it sucks, but that's one of the ways that we encourage long-terms relationships with our affiliates and make sure that our program is the best ever.

I can tell you that this has been the case for years and has not affected very many affiliates. For the good affiliates that are affected by this, we have great Affiliate Managers (Kevin and Kimi) that have been able to work with them. The ones that this mainly affects are affiliates that go out of business or die. I know it sounds crazy, but our program has been around for 17+ years and there have been affiliates that pass away.

If you have any issues with us or with our program, call us. We're based in Los Angeles, we're really nice people, and we've helped thousands of affiliate over the years make a lot of money. 818 880 9021 xt 5

What makes an account dormant - No traffic or no sales?..

What is the time span etc?....

[adultmobile]

Originally Posted by faxxaff

I buy a membership myself every couple of months to test how affiliate tracking works. In such a case it would have the positive side effect of increasing recurring revenue. Nice.

Every affiliate may do this to fix the issue

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What makes an account dormant - No traffic or no sales?..

What is the time span etc?....

No sales

[katja_AWNews]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

but that's one of the ways that we encourage long-terms relationships with our affiliates and make sure that our program is the best ever.

That makes no sense at all. For you it makes sense, but that it cause this rule benefits your income, not that of an affiliate.

[katja_AWNews]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

The ones that this mainly affects are affiliates that go out of business or die. I know it sounds crazy, but our program has been around for 17+ years and there have been affiliates that pass away.

you are a disgusting man....

[rogueteens]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What makes an account dormant - No traffic or no sales?..

What is the time span etc?....

that!...

[faxxaff]

Originally Posted by EddyTheDog

What makes an account dormant - No traffic or no sales?..

What is the time span etc?....

Reminds me of a large mainstream sponsor: Clickbank. After 6 months of no sales they charge you a fee and take money out of your unpaid earnings. I had hundreds of Dollars taken by them for nothing just because the products I sold were terminated and I was never informed about it. They don't charge fees to affiliates that have no earnings sitting in their account. Fuck 'em.

[Barry-xlovecam]

We have vested (look up the word) lifetime rev-share sales and there are no conditions stated in our TOS to the contrary -- no hidden catches.

We do not offer PPS and there are always sales to your account, until all of your referral conversions have 'churned' out ( Or; Stopped buying -- that does happen too.) So, it might take you six months if you are small-time to reach our 100 € minimum payout but you will get your earned money.

If you want to make us your 'retirement account' you can but like with any investment -- we are not insured and your capital (and work) are at risk -- we are a business enterprise looking to associate ourselves with Affiliates that think of themselves, and act like, businesses too

[freecartoonporn]

o o .......
thats not good .

[pornguy]

Originally Posted by Kelli58

I guess it's one of those things that if you don't agree with their policy, just don't use them.

I get why they do it ... they are trying to encourage you to stay active, but I don't really agree that is the way to go about doing it. But that's just me :P

Punishment is NOT encouragement

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by Katja wescort

That makes no sense at all. For you it makes sense, but that it cause this rule benefits your income, not that of an affiliate.

Totally agree with this point. And this is not the only one strange policy of F4F. I guess many of you still remember when they derailed all WLs by putting a canonized tag to flirt4free.com some years ago. Or about the fact that when they activate your WL, there is a robots.txt file that forbids bots to go beyond the main page. With this kind of history, I guess I am not the only one hit by the "dormant affiliate" rule...

[livesexoncams]

Originally Posted by Barry-xlovecam

We have vested (look up the word) lifetime rev-share sales and there are no conditions stated in our TOS to the contrary -- no hidden catches.

We do not offer PPS and there are always sales to your account, until all of your referral conversions have 'churned' out ( Or; Stopped buying -- that does happen too.) So, it might take you six months if you are small-time to reach our 100 ? minimum payout but you will get your earned money.

If you want to make us your 'retirement account' you can but like with any investment -- we are not insured and your capital (and work) are at risk -- we are a business enterprise looking to associate ourselves with Affiliates that think of themselves, and act like, businesses too

I am glad to hear that there are still Sponsors without hidden catches in their terms.

[VS_Jeff]

Originally Posted by livesexoncams

Totally agree with this point. And this is not the only one strange policy of F4F. I guess many of you still remember when they derailed all WLs by putting a canonized tag to flirt4free.com some years ago. Or about the fact that when they activate your WL, there is a robots.txt file that forbids bots to go beyond the main page. With this kind of history, I guess I am not the only one hit by the "dormant affiliate" rule...

These business rules don't seem to benefit affiliates, but from our perspective, they do. They benefits our active affiliates, so that they can make more money with us than anywhere else. I think most affiliates would find that our affiliate support is second to none, our APIs and stats are thorough and helpful to our affiliates, and our system breeds more million dollar customers for affiliates than I think any other program does. This all stems from sound business rules that favor affiliates that want to work with us.

And although you don't like our procedures with white labels, ours are in fact one of the only remaining (knock on wood) white labels that rank in search engines. Try searching "guys live on webcam" - you will find a few of the big names mixed in with our WLs and portals to our WLs.

[CamTraffic]

Originally Posted by VS_Jeff

ours are in fact one of the only remaining (knock on wood) white labels that rank in search engines.

That's not true. Far from it