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  • brassmonkey
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    News Confederate flag-burning events spark outrage

    dont look at me i did not burn any!!!! trailer parks are on fire!!! j/k mineshaken is smearing his shit on a mikky D's cashier

    A conceptual-art project that includes plans to burn and bury Confederate flags in 13 mostly Southern states on Memorial Day has drawn the ire of groups such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans that consider the events disrespectful and divisive.

    The planned flag burnings and burials also raised concern that such a public and symbolic act would fall short of the artist’s stated goal to simply retire the flag as a “symbol of terror” and would instead serve to aggravate tensions.

    The controversy is the latest in a long string of flare-ups over the flag and highlights how fraught a symbol it remains 150 years after the Civil War ended. While some denounce the flag as an emblem of racism and oppression, others revere it as a representation of the South’s cultural heritage.

    John Sims, a 47-year-old conceptual artist in Sarasota, Fla., who is organizing the Memorial Day events, said he hoped to prod people “to reflect upon and critique the complex nature of the Confederate flag as a lasting symbol of terror.” He said he planned to stage funerals for the flag in the 11 states that formed the Confederacy, along with Kentucky and Missouri.

    The events, in cities including Nashville, New Orleans and Clarkston, Ga., will involve poetry readings and musical performances as well.

    Police department spokespersons in Orlando and Nashville said they weren’t aware of any security concerns tied to the events.

    Some groups that cherish the Confederate flag reacted angrily to news of Mr. Sims’s project. “This is not only terribly offensive, but astonishingly idiotic,” said Ben Jones, a former Democratic congressman from Georgia and spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans. “This sort of thing merely inflames old divisions.” Mr. Jones said he had a message for Mr. Sims: “For every flag he burns and buries, we will put 10 more up.”

    Clashes over the Confederate flag are less intense now than they were in the 1980s and 1990s, said Lesley Gordon, a history professor at the University of Akron and editor of the journal “Civil War History.” While she understands Mr. Sims’s desire to combat what he considers a symbol of racism, “burning a flag has powerful symbolism,” she said. “I don’t see that in any way bringing people together and creating opportunities to learn.”

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  • crockett
    in a van by the river
    • May 2003
    • 76818

    #2
    The Confederate flag wasn't even an official flag of the confederacy. It was just a battle flag used by some divisions..
    In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

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    • L-Pink
      working on my tan
      • Mar 2005
      • 39151

      #3

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      • dyna mo
        just a fucking jerk
        • Dec 2008
        • 68184

        #4
        crockett, that is an official flag of the confederacy and was by far the most commonly carried and flown.

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        • L-Pink
          working on my tan
          • Mar 2005
          • 39151

          #5
          The largest Confederate Flag in the world flies at the intersection of I-75 and I-4 in Tampa. I always chuckle when I ride by.

          Attached ... the 50 X 30 footer about to go up again.





          .

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          • Barry-xlovecam
            It's 42
            • Jun 2010
            • 18083

            #6
            Civil wars never end... they just simmer.

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            • Robbie
              Leaner, Meaner, Faster
              • Aug 2002
              • 20960

              #7
              One thing the Civil War did other than end slavery:
              It confirmed that even though States have the right to secede from the "union"...if they try it they will get squashed.

              So my dreams of Vegas seceding and becoming it's own country probably isn't gonna happen.
              -Robbie
              ClaudiaMarie.Com

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              • brassmonkey
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                • Sep 2005
                • 77396

                #8
                Originally posted by Robbie
                One thing the Civil War did other than end slavery:
                It confirmed that even though States have the right to secede from the "union"...if they try it they will get squashed.

                So my dreams of Vegas seceding and becoming it's own country probably isn't gonna happen.
                i think i said it before it would have to be smaller and near the coast. what you are talking about is like iran. you would be surrounded by enemies
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                • TheSquealer
                  Mayor of Thneedville
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 26174

                  #9
                  More race bait. Yeah!! Can't wait for you to explain you din do nuffins again As you deny doing it when others point out that you do it all the time and with clear intent
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                  • brassmonkey
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                    • Sep 2005
                    • 77396

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                    More race bait. Yeah!! Can't wait for you to explain you din do nuffins again As you deny doing it when others point out that you do it all the time and with clear intent
                    you are a stupid asshole! its in the national news. if it bothers you log out you stalk and bother people when you dont like their opinions.
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                    • Grapesoda
                      So Fucking Banned
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 46238

                      #11
                      Originally posted by brassmonkey
                      dont look at me i did not burn any!!!! trailer parks are on fire!!! j/k mineshaken is smearing his shit on a mikky D's cashier

                      A conceptual-art project that includes plans to burn and bury Confederate flags in 13 mostly Southern states on Memorial Day has drawn the ire of groups such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans that consider the events disrespectful and divisive.

                      The planned flag burnings and burials also raised concern that such a public and symbolic act would fall short of the artist?s stated goal to simply retire the flag as a ?symbol of terror? and would instead serve to aggravate tensions.

                      The controversy is the latest in a long string of flare-ups over the flag and highlights how fraught a symbol it remains 150 years after the Civil War ended. While some denounce the flag as an emblem of racism and oppression, others revere it as a representation of the South?s cultural heritage.

                      John Sims, a 47-year-old conceptual artist in Sarasota, Fla., who is organizing the Memorial Day events, said he hoped to prod people ?to reflect upon and critique the complex nature of the Confederate flag as a lasting symbol of terror.? He said he planned to stage funerals for the flag in the 11 states that formed the Confederacy, along with Kentucky and Missouri.

                      The events, in cities including Nashville, New Orleans and Clarkston, Ga., will involve poetry readings and musical performances as well.

                      Police department spokespersons in Orlando and Nashville said they weren?t aware of any security concerns tied to the events.

                      Some groups that cherish the Confederate flag reacted angrily to news of Mr. Sims?s project. ?This is not only terribly offensive, but astonishingly idiotic,? said Ben Jones, a former Democratic congressman from Georgia and spokesman for the Sons of Confederate Veterans. ?This sort of thing merely inflames old divisions.? Mr. Jones said he had a message for Mr. Sims: ?For every flag he burns and buries, we will put 10 more up.?

                      Clashes over the Confederate flag are less intense now than they were in the 1980s and 1990s, said Lesley Gordon, a history professor at the University of Akron and editor of the journal ?Civil War History.? While she understands Mr. Sims?s desire to combat what he considers a symbol of racism, ?burning a flag has powerful symbolism,? she said. ?I don?t see that in any way bringing people together and creating opportunities to learn.?

                      Confederate flag-burning events spark outrage
                      the flag has always stood for family and honor as well as states rights to me....

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                      • TheSquealer
                        Mayor of Thneedville
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 26174

                        #12
                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                        you are a stupid asshole! its in the national news. if it bothers you log out you stalk and bother people when you dont like their opinions.
                        There are a lot of things in the national news. I'm sure a spelling bee was won somewhere, a cat was rescued or a great coach or teacher won a national award for their contribution to their field for the lives they've enriched and their pursuit of excellence, as well. You are the one that hand picks racial shit and stories about murder to share every day of the week.

                        I'm starting to wonder if you're illiterate and just randomly copying and pasting. That's the only way in hell you could sincerely not see the pattern

                        At the end of the day you are a sig whore trying to get views. That's where your life has settled at the ripe old age of 55. Not bad for an illiterate felon and gangbanger ... but I'd still encourage you to reach just a little higher
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                        • brassmonkey
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                          • Sep 2005
                          • 77396

                          #13
                          Originally posted by TheSquealer
                          There are a lot of things in the national news. I'm sure a spelling bee was won somewhere, a cat was rescued or a great coach or teacher won a national award for their contribution to their fiel, for the lives they've enriched and their pursuit of excellence, as well. You are the one that hand picks racial shit and stories about murder to share every day of the week.

                          I'm starting to wonder if you're illiterate and just randomly copying and pasting. That's the only way in hell you could sincerely not see the pattern
                          you crack me up!! your sig is a pattern damn you are a loon! guess the pattern
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                          • TheSquealer
                            Mayor of Thneedville
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 26174

                            #14
                            Yeah... Sure! A pattern of pointing out painful truths to the bottom rung of our society ?
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                            • TheSquealer
                              Mayor of Thneedville
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 26174

                              #15
                              Oops . I assume your use of unnecessary emoticons is to mask your illiteracy and that someone is reading my posts back to you and translating it to "illiterate gangbanger felon racist" so that you can actually understand proper English. Or should I try to express myself in pictures as well so that you understand ?
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                              • brassmonkey
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                                • Sep 2005
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                Yeah... Sure! A pattern of pointing out painful truths to the bottom rung of our society ?
                                clueless bitch! ok back to ignoring (caged loon check)
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                                • TheSquealer
                                  Mayor of Thneedville
                                  • Oct 2004
                                  • 26174

                                  #17
                                  Well, you've clearly beaten me on the intellectual front. Your well formed points and well reasoned and clearly articulated positions are not something I'm mentally equipped to rebut. I'm a little ashamed of myself now
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                                  • escorpio
                                    King of Canada
                                    • Oct 2002
                                    • 23487

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by TheSquealer
                                    Well, you've clearly beaten me on the intellectual front. Your well formed points and well reasoned and clearly articulated positions are not something I'm mentally equipped to rebut. I'm a little ashamed of myself now
                                    BM skooled yo azz bitch it like dat u no










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                                    • Joshua G
                                      dumb libs love censorship
                                      • Jul 2008
                                      • 8198

                                      #19
                                      as far as im concerned, Lincoln shoulda let the confederate states go. why? cause every divisive issue in this country is defined by red states & blue states, & not coincidentally are the same states that fought each other in the civil war. so this culture clash between yankees & rednecks goes far beyond race. it goes to religion, taxes, abortion, everything.

                                      let the fucking dumb rednecks have their god guns & honey boo boo.

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                                      • brassmonkey
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                                        #20
                                        burning of the flag = foolish. checking the arrest records of the flag fliers would expose something darker

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                                        • TheSquealer
                                          Mayor of Thneedville
                                          • Oct 2004
                                          • 26174

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                          burning of the flag = foolish. checking the arrest records of the flag fliers would expose something darker

                                          Like the lengthy arrest records of people like Michael Brown or Fredde Gray and other din do nuffins reveal ? That kind of darkness?
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                                          • brassmonkey
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Joshua G
                                            as far as im concerned, Lincoln shoulda let the confederate states go. why? cause every divisive issue in this country is defined by red states & blue states, & not coincidentally are the same states that fought each other in the civil war. so this culture clash between yankees & rednecks goes far beyond race. it goes to religion, taxes, abortion, everything.

                                            let the fucking dumb rednecks have their god guns & honey boo boo.

                                            well some of them are race and religion violent jasper texas prime example
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                                            • mineistaken
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                                              • Apr 2007
                                              • 29656

                                              #23
                                              Heil confederacy!

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                                              • Grapesoda
                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                • Jul 2003
                                                • 46238

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                as far as im concerned, Lincoln shoulda let the confederate states go. why? cause every divisive issue in this country is defined by red states & blue states, & not coincidentally are the same states that fought each other in the civil war. so this culture clash between yankees & rednecks goes far beyond race. it goes to religion, taxes, abortion, everything.

                                                let the fucking dumb rednecks have their god guns & honey boo boo.

                                                north is Saxons, south is Celts

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                                                • Robbie
                                                  Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                  • 20960

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Joshua G
                                                  as far as im concerned, Lincoln shoulda let the confederate states go. why? cause every divisive issue in this country is defined by red states & blue states, & not coincidentally are the same states that fought each other in the civil war. so this culture clash between yankees & rednecks goes far beyond race. it goes to religion, taxes, abortion, everything.

                                                  let the fucking dumb rednecks have their god guns & honey boo boo.

                                                  Yeah, but at that time the "red" states and President was the North and Pres. Lincoln

                                                  The South was the "blue" states up until Pres. Reagan ran for office and effectively got voters in the South to vote Republican for the first time.

                                                  I was raised a Fla. cracker and have vivid memories of both my great-grandfathers and both my grandfathers discussing politics in the 1960's and 1970's. They were very racist people and like almost everyone in the South back then...hard core Democrats.

                                                  At that time the Republican party was still the elite party of the NorthEastern U.S. (hard to imagine that today). The "Rockefeller" Republicans.

                                                  And the South had always been Democrat (the Democrats were pro-slavery in the civil war).

                                                  Reagan's political strategy to regain the South was to embrace the religious right ("Moral Majority") and then point out how "liberal" and "soft" the Democrats were.

                                                  That swung the South over. And it's been that way now for 35 years.

                                                  EDIT: And interestingly enough...people always equate the South with white "rednecks"...but there are more black people in the South than there are in the North.
                                                  -Robbie
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                                                  • brassmonkey
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Robbie
                                                    Yeah, but at that time the "red" states and President was the North and Pres. Lincoln

                                                    The South was the "blue" states up until Pres. Reagan ran for office and effectively got voters in the South to vote Republican for the first time.

                                                    I was raised a Fla. cracker and have vivid memories of both my great-grandfathers and both my grandfathers discussing politics in the 1960's and 1970's. They were very racist people and like almost everyone in the South back then...hard core Democrats.

                                                    At that time the Republican party was still the elite party of the NorthEastern U.S. (hard to imagine that today). The "Rockefeller" Republicans.

                                                    And the South had always been Democrat (the Democrats were pro-slavery in the civil war).

                                                    Reagan's political strategy to regain the South was to embrace the religious right ("Moral Majority") and then point out how "liberal" and "soft" the Democrats were.

                                                    That swung the South over. And it's been that way now for 35 years.

                                                    EDIT: And interestingly enough...people always equate the South with white "rednecks"...but there are more black people in the South than there are in the North.
                                                    duh dood that was the home of the plantations
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                                                    • Grapesoda
                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                      • Jul 2003
                                                      • 46238

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                      duh dood that was the home of the plantations
                                                      so what?

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                                                      • TheSquealer
                                                        Mayor of Thneedville
                                                        • Oct 2004
                                                        • 26174

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Grapesoda
                                                        so what?
                                                        I'm becoming increasingly convinced that he's functionally illiterate. I don't think he knows what he's responding to.
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                                                        • dyna mo
                                                          just a fucking jerk
                                                          • Dec 2008
                                                          • 68184

                                                          #29
                                                          News: Confederate flag-burning events spark outrage thread sparks outrage

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                                                          • brassmonkey
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by dyna mo
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                                                            • Joshua G
                                                              dumb libs love censorship
                                                              • Jul 2008
                                                              • 8198

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Robbie
                                                              Yeah, but at that time the "red" states and President was the North and Pres. Lincoln

                                                              The South was the "blue" states up until Pres. Reagan ran for office and effectively got voters in the South to vote Republican for the first time.

                                                              I was raised a Fla. cracker and have vivid memories of both my great-grandfathers and both my grandfathers discussing politics in the 1960's and 1970's. They were very racist people and like almost everyone in the South back then...hard core Democrats.

                                                              At that time the Republican party was still the elite party of the NorthEastern U.S. (hard to imagine that today). The "Rockefeller" Republicans.

                                                              And the South had always been Democrat (the Democrats were pro-slavery in the civil war).

                                                              Reagan's political strategy to regain the South was to embrace the religious right ("Moral Majority") and then point out how "liberal" and "soft" the Democrats were.

                                                              That swung the South over. And it's been that way now for 35 years.

                                                              EDIT: And interestingly enough...people always equate the South with white "rednecks"...but there are more black people in the South than there are in the North.
                                                              your right the labels between the ideaologies have switched. but the underlying ideas are the same as since the country started. not just red state/blue state, but also urban vs rural. people from cities are much more reliant & faithful in government, while rural people dont want any government telling them how to live/do business etc. I myself think the confederate flag embodies the most libertarian leanings of the US. but its basically a swastika for black people so it loses that freedom panache.

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                                                              • Robbie
                                                                Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                • 20960

                                                                #32
                                                                Joshua_G, I know what you're saying. That's always been the cliche.
                                                                The "country folk" don't want no govt. agents telling them what to do. heh-heh

                                                                But I also would point out that the "City Folk" have pretty famously been anti-govt. as well.
                                                                The mafia as an organized crime syndicate didn't originate in the country. It was big city all the way.
                                                                And today's street gangs in large cities (Chicago, Detroit, etc.) are also extremely anti-govt. (even while collecting welfare and food stamps).

                                                                I think 99.99% of people want govt. to stay out of their lives...and at the same time want govt. to give them "free" shit.
                                                                -Robbie
                                                                ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                • JFK
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                                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                                  • 67373

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Barry-xlovecam
                                                                  Civil wars never end... they just simmer.
                                                                  Yup

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                                                                  • Robbie
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                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                    • 20960

                                                                    #34
                                                                    As a guy from the South it always used to strike me as kinda funny that you'd have some people who flew their confederate flags (and these people really had no idea of real history...and were just white trash, not Southern gentlemen).
                                                                    And they would have bumper stickers saying the "South Will Rise Again", etc.

                                                                    But at the same time...they couldn't wait to join the U.S. military. And raise hell at any hint that the Pledge Of Allegiance wouldn't be said in school or anyone burned a U.S. flag! lol

                                                                    They don't realize that if they want the Confederacy to rise again...that they shouldn't be so pro-U.S. at the same time. lol
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